still driving old camry and so far no problem.. been like you before, never think of quality of a product, simply choose korean car , a kia forte because fitted in with many accessories. at the end, sold of the car also. Korean cars with many accessories, its more like a display rather than its really functional. will never buy korean cars again. wasted my money and time keep sending to SC. Send to SC = time, sold off = money

Since Fiesta & Cerato giving 6-7 air bags just buy those car, why so fruss over Vios doesn't provide ? almost all the member here highly praise Cerato, so just buy it, why bother what Toyota giving ? like do I care if China car failed euro ncap ? not buying them.

Offcoz deep inside everybody still love Toyota, KIA/NAZA doesn't give much glamour isn't it, that why Vios outsell Forte by 4-5 folds despite lower specs. lol....

Can u ask Developer to sell u a fully furnished 1500sq ft condo in Mt Kiara at RM 250K ? or 5 stars hotel to sell their food at hawker stall price ? They would ask u to fly wau bulan isn't it ?

No need to pay more. Elsewhere the Toyota models are equipped with ESP and 6 airbags at no premium, and they cost as much as their continental competitors. It is just that Toyota wants to make more profit.

Either I misunderstood Jolokia or you guys misunderstood me. My point is more along the lines of what Kadajawi posted below....Jolokia said we will get safer cars as long as we are willing to pay, my question was: why do we have to pay more for safety? when elsewhere in the world the cars they buy get similar levels of safety with cars in their respective price brackets.

In the context of Malaysia, every car sold RM80k or more should get 6 airbags and ESP.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 26 2013, 12:39 PM

Those "elsewhere" also charge u RM 4-6 for a liter of gasoline, a simple lunch at RM 50, monthly water bill at RM 500, their people should tembak their govt for not following Malaysia fuel price, food price, electric & water bill.
It's is not because thing r expensive, it's because u r poor, why u see so many Benz, BMW, Audi surrounding u ?
Car r base on brand, house r base pn location, do u compare house in TTDI to Semenyih ? or JB with Singapore ?? U can build a bungalows in kampong with 500K but with the same money u can't even afford a 1500sq ft condo in KL.

Why are we talking about Benz, BMW, Audi? I'm talking about safe cars, not luxury cars. You don't have to buy a luxury car to have 6 airbags + ESP, at least you shouldn't have to.

I'm asking if Koreans and Ford can offer much more safety at a relatively cheap price, IN MALAYSIA, why can't everyone else? Clearly it can be done and still be profitable, right? Why are we still getting 2 airbags without ESP inside the RM90k price range? Why should we pay more if it can be done cheaper?

It has absolutely nothing to do with gasoline price, lunch money or water bill. Those fckers are reaping huge profit margins at our expense.

This post has been edited by dares: Jul 26 2013, 01:21 PM

You don't understand it. It has nothing to do with the price of gas, lunch, water, housing, ... dares is right.

You see, in Europe, 10000 Euro will get you a Fiesta with 7 airbags and ESP. A 208 with 6 airbags and ESP. A Toyota Yaris with 6 or 7 airbags and ESP. A Jazz, again 6-7 airbags and ESP. A Nissan March/Micra with 6 or 7 airbags and ESP. Heck, a Daihatsu Sirion (Myvi) with 6 airbags and ESP. Taxes are the same for all cars.
In Malaysia RM 70-90k will get you a Fiesta and 208 or Rio with 6-7 airbags and ESP. But the Vios, Jazz/City and Almera will have to do with 1 or 2 airbags and usually no ESP.

Why can some brands offer their cars with all the safety features (plus other gadgets) for less than 90k, while other brands claim to be unable to do so? Do you think continental brands get lower taxes? Or what could be the reason?

There is simply no excuse why brands like Toyota, Honda and Nissan can't offer the full set of safety features that has been standard elsewhere for ages. The only reason why they do that is that they can earn more profits by omitting those features, since people will buy those cars anyway.

Yes that what said buy KIA buy Ford, ignore Toyota, if u still insist Toyota pay more.
same as if u wanna live in mt kiara pay more or live in smaller unit, or else moved to cheaper area & get bigger unit.

How can they ripped u off when u dont buy their products ? is Vios the only car available on Malaysia ? u have plenty of choice, or u been forced to signed a contract only buying Toyota brand ?
End of the day u still want that Toyota badge right ? lol... Koreans car the best konon....

Just saying more money doesn't necessarily = more safety....or more safety doesn't necessarily = more money, that's all

So.. all of the discussion...
derail far from original ts topic...huhuhuuuuu

pay for it? as if we're not paying enough?? go look at other countries, when it is standard requirements , carmakers would have to make them standard. thats all.

U can't expect everything to be cheap isn't it ? cheap petrol, cheap insurance, cheap labour, sure expansive car price lah !
In those elsewhere country, cheap car, expansive petrol, expansive insurance, expansive parking, expansive labour, so back to same thing.
If any of u living in those countries before surely know what i mean, u may get a cheap car but end up paying through ur nose maintaining it.
Even our south east asia neighbours do not require 6 air bags as standard features, offcoz u can alway choose what u like, base on your affordability.

Why waste time asking Toyota to oblige to these rule, just buy Cerato & Fiesta lah ! Why ? still dream of Toyota leh.....lol... thats why Toyota alway No. 1 loh.

Pakai KIA tak glamour leh...Rofl..

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jul 26 2013, 05:35 PM

VW has auto lock but only from outside to inside. Means any doors can still be open able from inside.

support you all the way!

I wouldn't want a Toyota even if it had EU spec. I'd rather buy a Korean car. I'm just saying that Toyota wouldn't have to increase the price. They could easily give decent safety equipment for all trim levels and still earn well. Safety isn't so expensive. It is just that they want to make profit, and customers are happy to pay way too much for the cars.

I dun understand, if the doors it can unlock automatically during an accident if it was locked manually, it means that the sensors and what not were already in place. then whats stopping it from unlocking automatically if it was on autolock??

I am no automotive specialist, that's what I read.from internet & magazine, surely there are reason behind it, it's no a few manufacturer but most manufacturer do not fit autolock anymore, those who fitted it would need to ensure the door will release in case accident, I guess most doesn't wanna get into trouble paying hefty compensation in case autolock.
As I said just practise the habit of locking the door manually like putting on seatbelts.

you are right. the litigation avoidance is a very good point.

is it so difficult to move the now "smooth touch" of a locking switch which is within reaching distance at the doors?
older cars door locking mechanism was push and pull at the end part of the door..
now most cars is having it near the door opening lever which is within reaching distance
just because some smart guy or girl created the "auto lock/auto speed sensing lock/etc etc" thingy to make it "easier or convenient" for us doesn't mean every car should have it unless the manufacturer wants it to be incorporated in their cars, don't be lazy, just move a bit to lock or unlock the car doors...
anyhow it depends on humans...other people in other countries wouldnt really bother about having this auto lock thingy, they are more concern with fuel economy and eco-friendly vehicles.....it's a matter of being discipline to either flip the door lock...

This post has been edited by Jinster: Jul 29 2013, 09:54 AM