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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 18 2013, 09:37 AM

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I didn't see any of my fellow investors take 49% of a company via an investment unless it is a corporate turnaround and/or an acquisition deal. From where did you get such a figure from?

QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jul 13 2013, 06:22 PM)
Are you willing to let go 49% of your company stake?
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 18 2013, 09:38 AM

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That's a good observation, one which I noticed many whom are seeking investments in Malaysia do not understand (ie. leveraging on other's wisdom and connections)

QUOTE(YH90 @ Jul 13 2013, 07:20 PM)
Its not about letting go 49% of the stake, but rather exchanging the 49% for proper guidance and support from those who have failed multiple times before succeeding.

Raising funds is very important since startups usually don't breakeven in 1-2 years. And time to market is crucial, especially when the barriers to entry are so low that copycats are everywhere.
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 18 2013, 09:56 AM

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It varies (typically) based on the amount of help (not just money) given to the startup.

Typical percentages ranges from 3 - 20%

Valuation is done differently by different investors. Some adopt market size as a primary gauge, others adopt extrapolation of billable invoices within 12 months, and so on and so forth. There is no fixed formula.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 09:45 AM)
What % interest do angel investors normally aim?

Hows valuation done?
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 18 2013, 09:58 AM

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Reference to this post, which entrepreneur in his/her right mind would reject a FIXED RATE, FIXED TERM bank loan in favour of an EQUITY investor?

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 09:51 AM)
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 18 2013, 10:08 AM

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That wasn't my impression with the post, I bold-ed the words you written in the other post which clearly indicates that he REJECTS the use of bank loans.

In any case, if this is truly a good product, why isn't the inventor willing to take up personal lines of credit and/or mortgage his home and/or dip into his own savings? This is one clear sign to investors that this person has no sincerity or conviction in his own product. Personally I would never invest in such a person.

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Yes............he has very good knowledge of the industry.
He has a blue print of his biz plan.
As I have mentioned, its a present Rm4bil potential in Msia alone.
Indo is bigger!

He does not want bank loans.

He prefers venture capital injections as partners.
He has already identified some potentials partners.
But he needs some ideas on Valuations.


QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 10:01 AM)
Fixed rate is good provided you can provide COLLATERALS.    biggrin.gif
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 19 2013, 11:11 AM

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You use a dramatized show as a gauge for professional information?

Your statement actually proves that in saying you gave an individual 20% stake per angel to be correct accordingly to my previous message; as reference in my reply yesterday angels typically take anywhere from 3 - 20% individually.

So to say that you gave 2 separate angel investors 40%, or as another example 3 separate angels 60%, and conflate it to the claim that a typical angel take 49% is rather disingenuous.

QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jul 18 2013, 08:14 PM)
erm, Dragon's Den?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...1-3m-sales.html

Just an example

I am too, running a business, whereby my 2 friends are my angel investors.

Each of them contribute rm50k for 20% stakes each, making me lost 40% in total, they initially commanded more, but I manage to get the deal.
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 19 2013, 11:14 AM

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If making conclusions based on the exact words you say are "jumping to conclusions", I don't know what quantifiable facts can any investor then use factually as a gauge in your case.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 18 2013, 10:22 AM)
Think you are jumping to many conclusions too fast.  biggrin.gif

They have already spent substantially on their R & D on their invention last two yaers without any income.

So financially pretty dried up.
So angel investments for marketing costs is required.
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Nicholas Chan
post Jul 19 2013, 12:48 PM

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A company is led by its people, not its technology. Its success does not lie in paper plans nor in intellectual property.

You are free to your opinions on that statement. I am free to mine as a person that puts my money where my mouth is.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 19 2013, 11:26 AM)
If this is not jumping to conclusion, I don't know what is.
An investor can quantify by looking at the technology and the industry coupled with the biz blueprint.

You, however have jumped too fast to judgement even before you have seen anything.
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