Hi guys! My name is Rinie a.k.a si_jali and im the founder of Spotgamers. We are going to host our 1st ever weekly online tourney which will include 4-5 popular games in SEA. The tournament will only be played 1 day during the weekend. It will be knock out format best of 3. We are looking to start it next week.

We would like to include Starcraft II as our official game but we would like to know if we can get at least 32 players to join our online tourney. By having 32 players we will be able to attract more sponsors in the future and ensuring that we have selected the games that deserve to get our support. Games that doesnt show a strong turn up will eventually be left out from the tourney for other deserving games.

The prize distribution is as follows:

Champion: RM100
2nd: RM50
3rd: RM25
4th: RM13
5th - 8th: RM11

Registration fee: RM10. Why RM10? This is to encourage newbies & amateurs players to train themselves up to get better at a very minimum cost plus at the comfort of your home! Treat this as your personal training ground


Since it will be a weekly tournament, that means anyone can stand a chance to win up to RM400 a month! That is of course if you win every week

So what do you guys think? Can we get 32 players forStarcraft II? Can Starcraft II be listed in our official games?


Link for the current game vote: Spotgamers Online SEA Tournament Games Poll

hey Rinie, what is the format is it going to be?
and when is it? as if online, the day is the crucial part.

and about the prize pool it's a bit imbalanced, and how can we claim the prizes?

1. It will be Best Of 3 knock out single elimination format
2. It will be on the weekend most probably Sunday since some people do work on Saturday
3. The prize pool has been set to allow more people to enjoy it. So even top 8 get something
4. We will contact & bank in the prizes of course



If you have any questions or suggestions please feel free to ask ^^

sunday is family day! glhf ^^

Hey man! Good luck!!!!=) If I can make it, I'll inform you...=) But really, really interested!=)

Because of the fee to enter I don't think many people would want to join.. mostly the only ones who would want to sign up are the higher level players who actually stand a chance to win something... low level players aren't going to pay rm10 a week to get roflstomped by everyone else

+1

^^THIS.

Train at a minimum cost? I'm not sure if I follow Rinie's drift, but playing any tournament constitutes experience, rather than "training" per se. I'd rather get good people online (this forum has more than a handful of them), play meaningful 1v1 games with them, discuss strategies and watch replays than spend 10RM to play an online single-elimination tournament.

Heck I played at the FXOpen Malaysia Open #2 Offline Tournament back in December 2011. The only thing I paid for was my cab fare going to and from the event!

Also, I would like to understand what you intend to do with the profit. 32 players multiplied by 10RM equals 320RM, less prizes of 255RM (according to your Starcraft 2 Tournament Facebook page), nets you a profit of 65RM per week (theoretically). How does that fit into "We would like to include Starcraft II as our official game but we would like to know if we can get at least 32 players to join our online tourney. By having 32 players we will be able to attract more sponsors in the future and ensuring that we have selected the games that deserve to get our support. Games that doesnt show a strong turn up will eventually be left out from the tourney for other deserving games"?

How does this benefit the players? Profiting from the players to secure sponsors? So if you don't get your 65RM weekly you won't support SC2? Profit to cover your overhead? What overhead? You're setting up an online tournament! There shouldn't be any overhead! Please enlighten us.

And, content! Where's the content? So it's an online tournament that no one can watch? Really? How do you plan to attract sponsors without content?

Then after you've done your weekly online tournaments, then what?

2mbps bandwidth limit for all participants, screenshots required. Really? You've just eliminated every country in the South East Asia region from participation, except Malaysia and Singapore.

And how about this?

LOL. And really, I mean LOL.

I'm sure you've not read this on Paypal's User Agreement:

(I worked in Paypal for 3 years, so I pretty much know their User Agreement.)

I'm really sorry, Rinie. I'm really trying to have an open mind to what you plan to do, most especially in the interest of E-Sports.

BUT, it just doesn't really doesn't feel right and it doesn't inspire confidence from the community when you ask participants to send any sort of payment to your personal bank account or Paypal account.

This post has been edited by EnTaroAdun23: Jul 11 2013, 02:06 AM

well said representing the whole community.

I understand how you feel. Yet, it is this attitude, of lower level players afraid of being "roflstomped" by higher level players that is preventing the growth of e-Sports in Malaysia. I recently attended MLG Pro Circuit Spring Championship. They had a double elim open bracket format for their SC2 event. Among the big names who joined are HerO, NaNiWa, Hyun, Polt, Jaedong etc etc. The tournament has a max capacity of 128 players and guess what? All 128 slots were filled. The players who love the game didn't care that they're going to be roflstomped by HuK or Dear. They joined because they want to play and support Starcraft 2.

You are correct. But where is FXO now? No offense to them but going "free" is one of the main reason they bailed. 2 years later, who else is willing to spend their TIME conducting tournaments for SC2?

You have some good points here. Still, I'm sure Spotgamers is prepared for the fact that less than 32 players will join and yet the tournament will still go on, just like what happened to their Cyberfusion e-Sports league. The turnout was horrible. They made a loss, but the made sure everyone gets their deserved winnings and fun. Usually with the increase of players, the pool will also increase, but that will be left to Spotgamers to decide. Good point though.

I agree that streams should be set up. Let's see what Spotgamers decide to do.


Don't other countries have more than 2 mbps connection? I'm not sure, I don't know so I have no comment. About the PayPal, I also have no comment. Yet if the User Agreement states so, I believe Spotgamers should do something about it then.

Just because you feel that way doesn't mean the whole community feel that way.

I didn't even read the 2nd post, and I already knew this is event is for profit purposes, if not why need registration fees then?

and look at their facebook pages, they are still lacking of admins from every game of tournament! wow

yes i do understand, but i believe Spotgamers is still growing, and that's why they need more ppl like us who are willing to contribute towards e-sports besides merely gaming and waiting everything to be ready on its own! so, are u ready to contribute?

1. Training in tournaments and training with your friends are totally different. In fact one of the reason why there are certain players who keep dominating in the game is because they participate in a lot of tournaments and they learn how to improve from there. Yes you can call it experience but it is also consider as training as well. Just wondering base on your training method, how many tournaments have you won? How many times have you represent Malaysia?

I can share with all of you my personal experience as a gamer myself. I started playing FIFA in WCG 2003 and i got 4th in Malaysia. In WCG 2005 i got 2nd and get to represent Malaysia to WCG Grand Final 2005 and Alhamdulillah i reach semi finals & got 4th in the world. It was the highest achievement for Malaysia and South East Asia. Until now, no one has break my record. I only won my first tournament in 2006 which is WCG Asia 2006 and im the 1st Malaysian to bring back a gold medal for my country. Till today, i have won 3 gold medals for Malaysia.

All of that doesnt come from playing with your friends online. No. It comes from years of training and sacrifices joining lots of tournaments. And this has been proven true. Year after year after year, FIFA has never fail to contribute a medal for our country. What about other games? Except DOTA 2, NONE.

So this is the purpose of SWOT. No it wasnt for profit making which i will explain later below. Its to replicate this success to other games because we know SC 2 and other games lack in tournaments in Malaysia. But its not just Malaysia that are having this problem. Its the entire SEA or even the world. So we want everyone to grow together


2. On the profit making part, seriously, you really think we do all this hard work just for RM65? Do you know the amount of work need to be done to host tourney? If your argument is base on online tournament, what about all the admins, shout casters, designers, webmaster and others who work behind the scene? Do you think they should work for free for your gaming needs?

We are so grateful that there are a few who volunteer to help make this happen. And we hope there are more passionate people who are willing to help. Even if we do make some profit it will be split to the people working behind the scene and still be return back to the community by hosting more tournaments in the future. We have proven many times that we have done so many things without profit. Cyberfusion e-Sports League 2011 & 2012 & IeSF World Championship 2011 & 2012 offered more than RM10,000 total for SC 2 players. The turn out? Less than 50 FOR ALL competition. Oh and not to mention IeSF was FREE to enter. Only less than 20 participate.

Since you mention FXO, both FXO tournaments only offered less than RM5k if im not mistaken with close to 100 players turn out. The result? FXO says bye bye to all of you. Where is the USD100,000 they promised all of you? If they truly are here for e-Sports, why they didnt invest in all of you? Any Tom Harry d*** can tell you they have X amount of money to spend. But the ones who truly cares about e-Sports, they will continue doing it every year even without any money to start with.

Actually the easiest way to answer this question is, if its so profitable, why no one else is doing it?


3. Thank you for pointing that out on the Paypal fees. We will do then necessary arrangement



To summarize, all i have to say is we have proven time and time again to the people who have doubt us. Yes we are also aware of people slandering us behind our back. You can choose either to believe them or not. But my question to all of you is this:

What do you gain from doubting us? As far as i can see, no one is doing anything for SC 2. Not even the publisher themselves. So you can keep be in your own comfort zone wondering when SC 2 gonna be big, OR you can be the one responsible to make SC 2 big.


The decision is in your hands






1. We will still host tournaments even if we have 8 players. Is that still profit making?

2. Of course we are lacking of admins in certain games. But does that stopping us from doing this tournament for you? Nope

but why announce that you are making a tournament before you recruit admins and marshall? I don't find this professional

Because we have done that and no one replied. Would you like to be our admin?

what do you mean you done that and no one reply? organizing online tournament has not much difference like any other event protocol, you gotta setup the committees first before you start organizing something, let alone announcing the tournament to the public

Lets just say we are tired of waiting for everything to be perfect. Sometimes to get the community going you just have to do it. Look at FIFA games for example

ah, so that's it, hmm, good luck then

@@ great idea, been to spotgamer LAN tourney b4 good arrangement n etc etc.. just the stream is not good...
keep up the good work Rinie, will support ya...if u got stream for this weekly tournament is better

Would Join but Life sux, hit me so hard till cannot have much time to gaming~