Cars that feel fast aren't really fast. Because of lightweight, less stable give you the impression of fast? Cars that can really go fast would not feel fast at all as it is too stable and you'll only notice when looking at speedometer.

The bigger heavier C-segment Forte 1.6 and Elantra 1.6 actually beats Vios in 0-100km/h acceleration by 0.3s. You play hard cornering, you'll trust the old Forte and current Elantra better. Corner around shop areas is dangerous to pedestrians and other road users. Do it at somewhere secluded not open to public better.

Back to TS request:
If this car is his only source of bread car where every1 depends on, he should void hybrid at all cost. Based on his list, I suggest he go for Fiesta for handling, safety, easy drive, reliability/durability, FC and ease of maintenance.

If he really wanted C-segment to ferry parents around and wanted hassle free, go for Elantra 1.6. If he finds C-segment 1.6L not enough power, he can consider old Forte 2.0L if he doesn't mind being phased out soon.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 6 2013, 11:00 PM

Hi LeoWillis,
Source of bread is like breadwinner. Meaning that you'll depend on the car for going to work, fetching brother, sister or parents around where that car must keep running and running without breakdown. If without the car, you will have hard time, example if you do outdoor marketing where you need that car to move from places to meet clients, etc. If this is your only car, you should focus on cars with easy maintenance.

Airbags are proven as there's 1 idiot I knew that often got into serious accident for reckless driving. He said airbags saved him few times. Feel like wanted to tear his driving license preventing him from driving forever than let him endangering innocents.

Ignore stinger82, at 1 time he said going fast is important and at the other end, he said 0-100km/h is not important under city driving. Don't know what he wanted. Acceleration 0-100km/h and handling are not meant for reckless driving but for safety especially in defensive driving. You'll need them to safely evade unexpected obstacle and to get you out of harm's way.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 6 2013, 11:32 PM

Are you rich in the first place? If you don't have problem forking out RM30k if anything goes wrong after warranty ended and this is your spare car, then you can go for hybrid.

If you go for hybrid, you'll have to stick to it for long term till end as its RV will not be good. Those who buy used cars aren't so rich and they ain't gonna risk buying hybrid at the moment.

Remember, warranty is not guarantee and you still have to pay for maintenance and spare parts. Battery is not issue but the electric engine, inverter, high tech electronic components/modules are your concern.

As our local technician/foreman are highly underpaid like blue collar job earning only RM1.5k after working over 5 years despite highly educated, most of them won't stay in the field for long. This means there won't be many experienced engineers in SC and anything faulty, they'll ask you to replace the parts rather than fixing it. Hybrid cars if involved in accident, will have much to worry should there be collateral damage to nobody knows how to fix electronic parts, undetected at that time of insurance claim. This is why they have tax exemption on hybrid cars as they know many won't dare to buy unless rich.

Check with SC directly for the interval service cost and also check spare part price with those spare part suppliers outside to evaluate cost of overall maintenance and ownership before you even think of buying any of the cars.

How old is your Prius anyway? Service interval 5000km or 10,000km and how much per service? Your car is less than 3 years old and mileage not even reaching 60,000km or 100,000km or 200,000km. That is not long enough to jump to conclusion whether maintenance low or not. As what I got, hybrid lexus CT200H service interval 5000km at RM440/-. That cost more than diesel engine RM230 at 5000km interval.

Hybrid has 1 combustion engine, 1 electric motor plus 1 inverter and sophisticated electronics (more expensive than in normal cars) that are unknown to local technician/foreman. Anything wrong, send to SC and if faulty or damage, must replace and buy new. No fix. How much does electric motor cost? How much does inverter cost, how much does the ECM+Multiplexer cost? Standard Toyota ECM costs RM4-5k, hybrid 1 how much? The ECM in hybrid is bigger and more expensive. Battery spoilt, can still afford, how about others?

These are the reasons why they give much tax exemption to hybrid cars as they expect not many dare to buy them when news on their maintenance came up in another 2-3 years time.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 13 2013, 01:35 PM

Late reply, just got back from site-job. This is to reply your Inspira vs Forte thread. There are things that could not be described here and would require you to try on the track to find out. Inspira and Lancer both using Multi-link but both are different quality and material. They are not the same, 1 from MMC and 1 from P1 Lotus.

Example, there are 2 metal bars from 2 different manufacturers, sizes could be similar but weight, solidity, etc different still. Understand?

When Perdana introduced, the Galant is allowed to be sold but it didn't get to sell anymore since Perdana introduced. People just don't think about Galant that is using the same platform as Perdana. They buy Perdana if can't afford Accord, Camry, Telstar or 626. This was before MMC being forced to cease operation in 1995 due to too poor sales in cars segment. Lancer is still alive today because it has what your Inspira doesn't have. This is fact, your Inspira is nothing close to Lancer other than physically the same. Whatever detune you say, in US, there is no such thing on the emission thingy. Seems like P1 protection forced our local MMC Lancer to be fitted with GL tuning so that they don't get to challenge Inspira sales.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 13 2013, 02:33 PM

You are just trying to degrade the Lancer. If what you said is true, the Lancer will not be able to sell a single unit like Galant today. Don't try to create the false impression that the Inspira is exact clone of Lancer. The Inspira is a Lancer with P1 parts, ofcourse you can replace them anytime with Lancer parts. As for tuning, they are alll using the port and software, no problem using MMC diagnostic tools.

FYI, Wira also can share Lancer '94 parts, Iswara/Saga can share Lancer '81 parts, Perdana also can share Galant '94 parts, Perdana V6 can share with Eterna V6 parts. No problem because the mounting remain unchange.

If what you said true, wonder how come Inspira can't beat Lancer on racetrack where both are ori and unmodded? You want to prove which handling better, get 1 amateur to drive and take sharp turn at 100, 110, 120, 130, 140 and so on. Your Inspira will lose control before Lancer. If you are pro' you might be able use your drift skill to cover up but still if it's understeer, there's nothing you can do but wait for it to end before resume.

nzh0920,
You took modified Inspira laptime vs NA Lancer? Look at your list, 1.6 Forte beats 2.0 Forte. What else, those are nothing more than unsorted category list. Is that the best lap time in the first place?

People talking about NA unmodified car vs category. You go and include turbocharged or tuned up variant together. Take NA category list before you come here and talk crap.

Koreans, they have moved further with dual VVT. You still stuck with single VVT?

K3nnYkl82,
Just the arm? How bout the rest then? People look into overall. FYI, the old Saga '06 I had, can still find hidden MMC logo on part of the car body.

What is the big deal? Inspira is not Lancer, enough brag and get back to real life.

Nice comparison. Wonder why Lancer can still sell if your Inspira is that close to Lancer technically. Just because of build workmanship, people willing to pay >RM20k extra to get Lancer 2.0EX/GT rather than lower grade Inspira 2.0 at RM93k? Like you for example, you can spend less than RM10k to get Lancer bumpers, badges, steering wheels, etc already.

Tell this to Lancer owners whether they agree with you. Verdict about Inspira, nothing more than a lower quality Lancer wannabe. You can only be called LANCAR but not Lancer. This is the only reason why Lancer still survive today rather than wrap up like what happened back then. Like Myvi owners trying to think themselves as driving Toyota. Inspira owners are like dreaming of driving Japanese C-segment.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 13 2013, 04:36 PM

Still wanted to spread lies here? Will check with those parts people and revert back to you. If any of your claim are false and proven you are with P1 marketing team spreading false lies to boost sales by saying 'Inspira techwise is same as Lancer', I will shoot you back kaw kaw. You don't mess with consumers. This will take time in order to get to them.

Why not if the difference is not that serious? As long as the comparison is feasible towards the products and able to convince buyers, marketing staff allowed to post the details. Since the engine and gearbox are directly from Japan, can void the 2. Others, whether they are made in Japan, it is question mark.

nzh0920,
The kerb weight is imminent evidence of Lancer GL rather than GT. Still want to compare? It's a soft suspension. What else.

Wow, already 4 replies so far. I am glad that at least allenultra stayed professional and neutral, good job.

The rest replied with much hatred that they go personal. Why can't reply properly and fill in the blanks with hatred? You sellman or have business related to P1?

I managed to check this info from the same person who told the differences between Inspira & Lancer GT 2 years ago. Here's his reply:

When MMC & P1 signed the deal, it stated clearly, any technical parts that will lead to breakdown, engine blown, failed handling like Sylphy/Almera, or any issue that could damage MMC reputation.

The Inspira is based on the Lancer GL that can't sell well that was phased out earlier. In the assembly plant, the engine, gearbox, the suspension, electronic components/modules/sensors, interior dashboard, door panels brought in imported. The machine here does the stamping with the metal sheets imported. The rest of the parts that won't cause breakdown are done locally. Some are sub to local companies to produce the parts. Due to improper storage (space vacuum), the interior of Inspira not as fragrant as brand new Conti/Japanese/Korean cars inside. Smells like China made cars.

The P1 tuned suspension is only myth to show that they do produce something and the rear suspension is exact match of Lancer GL and not from Lancer GT.

Kerb weight:
Lancer 2.0GT 1385kg
Lancer 2.0GL 1320kg (reduced ingredient variant for 3rd nation)
Lancer 2.0GL 1335kg
Inspira 2.0 Premium 1335kg

Difference between Lancer GL & GT lies in the large METAL BAR that connects to both rear wheels arms. Relook into your replies earlier, don't know why you keep showing me the arm. Show the arm for what when people talking about the whole Multilink rear suspension? Have to use the word Metal Bar or Metal Beam or else you would refer elsewhere. Who knows, you might show me the tie rod in front in reply. That 50kg difference came from this metal bar alone. Understand? Mind you the bodykit, side skirt, & spoiler aren't heavy that even small kid could easily carry it with 1 hand. People use adhesive 2 sided tape specially for PU & fibreglass material for skirting nowadays. No more cement.

So stop saying your Inspira is Lancer GT. It's based on Lancer GL and that is why MMC willing to let P1 rebadge but under strict restriction and monitoring. This explains why Lancer GT sales still survive today. Many who can't afford new would buy used Lancer GT rather than buy that Inspira. Hassle free guaranteed

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 14 2013, 05:41 PM

Forte is meant for family use with handling for safety in evading dangerous road hazard and in time of emergency. The same goes to Lancer GL. The heavier and stiffer Lancer GT is meant for sports driving feel where you can take it to Sepang racetrack for little racing.

You are the dumb here. You wanted facts, I checked with professional and gave the answer from him. Yet you go mad and personal. Can't face the fact still? What else do you need? That is the part that we are debating here and you out of nowhere go and talk about the arm. Aiseh!

Talking to people like you have to use downgraded to basic English. Else, you would misinterpret and think aftermarket something else. Do you know what is swaybar?

You can go lift the BMW 5-series, Mazda 3/6, Lancer GT rear suspension METAL BAR (try not to use jargon with dumb KIASU like you) then you come and tell me how heavy. You think that Metal BAR so light? The so called lighter Torsion Beam one is not that light neither.

Then can you explain where the 50kg come from? The rims and wheels ain't that much big difference from 16" wheels neither. The spoiler? FYI, FF cars that wanted to improve handling, they would distribute more weight to the rear by adding more metal to the back. OK?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 15 2013, 11:04 PM

Yes, sway bar is anti-roll bar. Even the cheap aftermarket thingy bought from kaki motor or brothers is also called anti-roll bar that is real light and fit to Wira suspension. Avoid using the word anti-roll bar or sway bar seems it led to confusion to many. Just call the bone like bar in the rear METAL BAR for the time being. How many of you really remove the entire rear suspension set and try to lift with hands for real?

By the way, despite so many disagreement, how come none ever mention where did the 50kg extra weight in Lancer GT come from? Inspira & Lancer GL are actually at the same weight at 1335kg while Lancer GT at 1385kg. Back then people said its the bodykit which is incorrect. Then they relook to the chassis, they don't find anything different between GT & GL. Exhaust pipe, resonator, catalytic convertor and manifold also not that heavy. Where else?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 15 2013, 11:34 PM

Don't know why you drag Forte into this. The discussion at the moment is about trying to find out the difference between Inspira & Lancer.

Metaphorical meaning:
If the colour is red, I say red. If the colour is blue, I say blue. If the taste is sour, I say sour. If the taste is sweet, I say sweet. If it is hard, I say hard. If it is soft, I say soft. If it is loud, I say loud. If it is soft (voice), I say soft. People comment based on what the senses detect.

So, what is your reason to get mad and personal in the first place if you are not sellman or marketing staff? Refer botack's comment. At least he still replied properly what his guess. How about the rest?

Thanks to botack for proper reply.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 15 2013, 11:59 PM

WilliamHoo & nzh0920,

Still stay hostile out of personal reason or interest? Minus the foul language, so where do you think the 50kg difference coming from? Chassis? And why MMC wanted to put in the extra weight in the Lancer GT in the first place? You know that weight put Lancer almost as heavy as D-segment.

Even if you both are related to P1, you still have to answer as the public would love to hear from you 2. Relatively, people hate ruthless sellman & marketing staff that don't serve public interest. Would like to compare your answer with your technical department answer. You can't answer well, you should let those technical staff take over your place.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 16 2013, 12:13 AM

Don't change the specs. Lancer GT declared kerb weight is 1385kg in here, in West Asia, in US and in Japan. Inspira and Lancer GL kerb weight at 1335kg. Stick to facts. Don't reply if you are here to stir trouble rather than car talk.

Refer back ori Lancer GT specs from 2007 to 2011. Whatever crap specs you posted, probably due to revised P1 protection from 2011 or 2012 onwards, local MMC being forced to downgrade their Lancer GT.

The Lancer GT kerb weight is 1385kg whereas the Lancer 2.4 hatchback at 1415kg. The few of you with signature promoting P1 Inspira specs list and parts list are likely to rely on Inspira sales for income. You bunch are nothing more than parasites wanted to degrade the Lancer and attempt to steal more sales from MMC Lancer GT.

The final verdict, still proven:
Inspira has more local made parts, suspension & handling no match against Lancer GT and also no VSC.

You want to talk about chassis number, mind you, even the Triton pickup, different variant come with slightly different chassis number. They do that to allow people to find out whether that chassis is originally fitted with which engine and if that chassis has changed engine, people can find out. Lancer GL & GT, the chassis are the same. Difference on suspension and interior trim. Talk about build quality, even the Lancer GL is higher quality than Inspira. So stop spreading lies to cheat buyers here.

Dear all genuine readers, forumners and carbuyers,

Don't trust these bunch of cheaters. They could easily outnumber genuine forumners by using few accounts each of them as they have whole day as it is part of their jobs. Look for facts and don't be fooled by their lies. Expect them to divert attention elsewhere. Don't give these unethical marketing & sales staff any face. All they care is their own profit. Nothing to do with public interest.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 16 2013, 11:44 PM

The Inspira is based on Lancer GL platform in 2010 and it is still using the same chassis & tech today. Lancer GT in 2010 has kerb weight of 1385kg. In Thailand, they still have the actual GT. Refer this website you parasite.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/th/Lanc...X/GT/Price-Spec

น้ำหนักโดยประมาณ (กก.) = kerb weight : 1,375kg (10kg less but the catalogue stating 1385kg. The catalog from West Asia country for GT stated 1385kg. The same goes to our catalog and website dated back in 2010 as 1385kg.

Time to teach you bunch of parasites some lesson. Wikipedia is known to miss out the kerb weight for many make/models. Some even didn't specify torque and some no RPM. Sort of non-standardised.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 17 2013, 12:03 AM

Autoworld still have the old writeup article dated back in 2012, the specs at that time still the same as the ori '07 2.0GT. Take this you bunch of parasites!!

http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/newcar/car_...T.AM.VHC.NC.SDN

So do you believe now? The chassis of Lancer GT & GL are the same. The reason for slightly different chassis number is to allow people to identify that chassis belong to which variant under which engine and transmission for various identification purpose. MMC done that as many Lancer owners would change engines, some to EVO. Also, to prevent fraud should a normal Lancer converted to EVO sold to buyer at wrong price.

The current Lancer GT, engine got detuned to Lancer GL. The rear suspension either the same or got downgraded a bit. The weight reduction could also be caused by use of new material? Unknown at the moment. Fact is, the Lancer GT is still superior than Inspira in several aspects as mentioned earlier.


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