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post Jan 10 2014, 02:21 AM

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Hello people, just wanna ask two things:

1. What is the best SSD right now for gaming? I'm planning to get a 240/250GB model and I play a lot of FPS based games like BF4. So probably something that has very fast and stable read times would be great. Any recommendations?

2. Or, even if there is one good SSD for me, should I refrain from buying any model right now, and wait for 2014 releases? I know Plextor is coming out with their M6 lines to replace the M5, but if other brands like Samsung and SanDisk or Corsair coming out with anything new, and worthwhile waiting for?

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post Jan 17 2014, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(nick_vll @ Jan 10 2014, 03:19 AM)
each ssd have their pro and cons, how about samsung 840 pro? i am using it right now.

btw, the tech is improve , new product will keep introduce to market. i think you should just get what you can afford whenever you need it.
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Hmmm, true. Samsung 840 Pro is part of my considerations. But the Samsung Evo and Kingston 3K is really making the case for me.

And true, probably no use waiting as SSDs have gotten to a point where you can't tell the difference.
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post Jan 17 2014, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 10 2014, 11:22 AM)
1. the best is the one that fits your budget. significant improvements can only be observed if you switch from hdd to ssd. between ssd's, in terms of mainstream or enthusiast categories, the differences are not that significant to many people. if you still think consumer grades are not good enough for you, there are still better options, e.g. enterprise grade ssd's, sas/pcie form factors. if you're ok with those price tags, go ahead.

for gaming, other factors should be considered to enhance gaming experience also (especially gpu. cpu, ram, and cooling are also important). ssd is not a cure for all. it just eliminate bottlenecks of hdd.

.. and all of us have preferences. i like samsung 840 pro and plextor m5pro. but that doesn't mean other models or other brands are not good. like our friend here said, each has their advantages and weaknesses. it's up to you to choose which is 'the best' to you.

2. new releases should be a few months away (after june i guess). if you wanna get the new ones, you can start compare the differences of the current and new ssd's. unless there are significant differences, i guess it's fine to get the cheaper ones and be happy, instead of paying premium for new ones. (or else you will have to wait for the price to drop, until which you see yourself repeating the typical waiting cycle again)
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1. Enterprise grade SSDs? shakehead.gif Hahahaha nah the price tags are probably gonna sink me under. And yeah, like I said above, the differences are so small I won't notice them unless I do heavy computing where speed of SSDs are essential.

And yeah, I'm leaning to the 840 Evo for it's bang for buck value. But the Plextor M5P is also one of my original choices. I guess now its up to seeing who has the best prices.

2. Yeah, the vicious cycle of "catching up with the times" and trying to always get the new stuff, is not healthy. But it's mostly for gaming where I want to eliminate load times and have faster program responses, so I guess I don't really have to wait for the new ones I guess. Cuz prices are also gonna be insane.

Thanks for the advice man. Appreciate it. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 18 2014, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 17 2014, 07:14 AM)
exactly. life is short. please get out of that loop and start enjoying smile.gif

during my previous purchases, Plextor m5pro was imo one of the best-priced. i'm still a happy user of 2x 512gb m5pro and 3x 256gb m5m (yeah i like cheap ssd's biggrin.gif). maybe i'm lucky but none of them are giving me weird issues. (Plextor didn't even appear in this article for some reasons, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/911-7/ssd.html)

when i got my Plextor drives, i have read from many reviews and comments, except for a few who really know their stuff, that i bought the wrong ssd's because of this and that, that i was cheap, that the drives were craps, and that i should invest in best performance ones. so, i went ahead and got 2x 256gb samsung 840 pro. they were right, 840 pro indeed has its values (it's a good investment if you have more spares). but guess what? i now know for a fact that there are no significant differences based on my daily usage. also, all my purchases were new in unopened, sealed boxes and packages; and i got them from different sellers, local and outside the country. statistically i couldn't be that lucky that all my drives have no defect, the opposite of what they claimed (e.g. these 'crap' drives boot my laptops under 15secs without fast startup lol!). if i am that lucky, i think i must try buy lotteries from now on.

reading reviews are good. listening to what people have to say is also fine. please just bear in mind that some people just like to read reviews and tell stories based on imaginations. please make your own judgements by filtering what you have done for research. (or just f them all and grab what you can smile.gif)
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Wow, thanks so much for sharing the experience.

But since I can't afford the Plextors which are expensive as heck, I'll stick to the Samsung Evo 840 250GB. Guess it's settled then.

Thanks again man. Cheers! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 18 2014, 11:38 AM)
From what I knew Plextors would be same grade with Crucial or Corsair
Inb4 OCZ are top speed
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Corsair Neutron GTX then yes. Crucial I'm not so sure. But the SanDisk Extreme II is also up alongside the top. But again, those are very expensive, and in real world applications you can really tell the difference. I'm only gonna use it to replace the HDD in storong programs, and reduce gaming bottlenecks causing long load times.

OCZ is bankrupt btw. Not sure if Toshiba has fully taken over and intergrated their SSD business. So I'll try to avoid it atm.


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QUOTE(SupremeSS @ Jan 18 2014, 11:01 PM)
Anyone here using ssd to play battlefield 4?
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My buddies are. If you want I can help you ask them any questions you wanna ask. =)
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post Jan 19 2014, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(SupremeSS @ Jan 18 2014, 11:36 PM)
I want to know how much gb left when he installed bf4 with expansion pack and window.. and the life span normally can stand for how long?
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One of my friends is using a Corsair Sandforce GT 120GB. After installing Windows 8 and Battlefield 4 with the first expansion pack plus all updates, with 111GB of usable space, he left 50.5GB usable, with a couple of programs here and there. So you'll be looking at at least 50GB for both BF4 and windows.

As for life span, as long you don't do defragmentation on it, it should last at least minimum 3-5 years.
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Jan 19 2014, 11:45 AM)
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/ocz_techn...to_toshiba.html
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Hhmmmm, guess it's safe to get OCZ after all. Thanks man. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 19 2014, 12:10 PM)
that's the case of pre-w8. for w8, you need to run wei score checking feature then the system will be optimized to ssd, including disk optimization. w8.1 you don't need to do anything. just use disk optimization as usual.
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Sweeeeet. Haven't tried out Windows 8 yet so I didn't know. Guess Windows 8.1 is option then. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2014, 11:16 PM)
840 Evo only weakness is TLC atm, its not suitable for heavy users

for me, even though im not heavy user, i find it hard to dish out RM300+ for it due to the TLC NAND when other MLC NAND are priced similarly

but that speed from a TLC NAND.. comparable and even surpassing MLCs shocking.gif
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Aiks. So would you suggest I stick to the EVO 840 250GB, or is there a MLC based one around the same price range that you will recommend instead?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 19 2014, 11:55 PM)
its a good SSD nonetheless, but if youre the kind who requires SSD for work related softwares where you need to frequently write data then i say no. under light usage, AnandTech estimated 7 years of lifespan. if under heavy... cant say for sure but its lesser. MLCs can last longer even under heavy loads. bear in mind SSDs are not rated on years of lifespan but more on the amount of read and write cycles, so my previous analogy can be irrelevant

other choices (all MLCs)
Crucial M500 240GB RM569
Plextor M5S 256GB RM574
Kingston HyperX 3K 256GB RM599
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The only heavy work will PC will ever do is gaming. I'm planning to use the SSD as a base for all my programs while I store files like songs, movies and files in my HDD. So I'm not sure if that qualifies as heavy usage of read and write times. Hmmm.

Not so sure on the Crucial or Plextor M5S though. But I was also considering the Kingston as well. Of all the fours models here, which would you recommend for my kind of usage?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 20 2014, 12:07 AM)
well, read this to boost your knowledge on SSDs nod.gif
http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...dows-8-edition/

not sure about Kingston but i have a friend with Crucial M500, he said so far pretty decently fast and no failures yet. as for Plextor, i have yet to see many LYN Plextor users complaining as well
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Thanks for the website. It was very informative, and I'll probably use the step by step guide when I get my hands on a SSD

As for the Models itself, I think at this price range it's all more of the same, so I'll just stick with the EVO 840. I got two Friends using Kingston HyperX, one with a single 120Gb, another with a twin 240GB in RAID 0. Both are happy users so far.

Thanks so much for the advice man. thumbup.gif

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Thanks for all the info guys. Already got a deal for the Samsung EVO 840 250GB, collecting this Thursday.

However, reading up on the EVO 840 online, has anyone here tried it's RAPID tech before? Is it detrimental to it's life cycle, and during regular usage like gaming we will never breach it's 3GB buffer right? Just wanna ask. Thanks.

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Jan 21 2014, 11:43 AM)
yeap OCZ has very good products
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But a lot of local distros don't have the Vector anymore, and only some have bought in 120GB versions of the new Vector 150. Still a lot of Vertex series around though.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 21 2014, 09:53 AM)
yeah i did that on my 840 pro. this ram caching setup will theoretically further reduce write/erase cycles, so it's good for ssd's.
this is a good insight from a user's perspective with regards to common usage.

i would like to add that not all ssd's provide such software to help optimize the system. (for instance, samsung and intel do; but plextor, crucial, ocz, etc. don't). in general, the optimization guide from thessdreview.com is what you need (they cover almost all the basics, except for things like overprovisioning, which is kind of dependent on personal preference)

about the general rule to get the smallest drive, that's one way, but i suggest to get a ssd based on how much space that you wanna use for OS, apps, and current games, and on top of that, add some buffers for near future requirements. too small the drive, you will need to perform more frequent uninstallation of apps/games, because you will find drive space is insufficient for new apps/games all the times. i think it's not good to ssd.

my point is, plan your purchase based on practical needs, and find that minimum that also helps to take care of the proper usage of ssd.
install and run samsung magician software, iirc it's the last option. currently you can only enable it for one drive.
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Thanks again for the great advice. RAPID sounds really good. Guess I'll have to tinker and play around with the Magician software, as well as using the ten step SSD Optimization.

But for space, I think 250GB is enough for OS and several games. Gonna keep the other stuff like songs and movies in my 3TB Drive. But I will try not to breach 210GB as a space usage limit on the SSD.
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Jan 21 2014, 01:04 PM)
im a vertex supporter laugh.gif
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Hahaha yeah, I can see that. But yeah like I said once at a certain price range most if then perform almost the same. Yours is suffice for all your needs?

QUOTE(horns @ Jan 21 2014, 02:29 PM)
yes, that's a good practice (ssd as boot drive and hdd as storage)

although it's good to allocate some space for over provisioning (10 to 15% should be suffice), you can use it as is for your usage.
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Yeah always planned to do a split program drive (ssd) and data drive (hdd).

Alright noted. I usable space would be around 235GB or so, so I'll try to keep it around 200/210GB max. Worse comes to worse I'll get a second 250GB drive and do a RAID 0. But by then I Dont think RAPID can be used. See how.

Thanks mate! thumbup.gif

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=_________= Uh, guys, so much for matching the SSDs to Windows 8. Haha.

Windows 9 rumored to be coming out later this year.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-9...ml#xtor=RSS-998

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QUOTE(kenysl @ Feb 3 2014, 09:17 PM)
cold boot 4 secs? shocking.gif
you using Windows 8?
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Yeah LOL. I installed Windows 8 on my friends 6 year old laptop and holy hell it loaded under 25 secs despite having only a 5400rpm HDD, let alone a 500MBs SSD.
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If you bought a high end OCZ product, you dodged a major bullet. Of you didn't and bought cheaper end ones, I'm sorry, but Toshiba just canceled your warranty.

http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=60077
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QUOTE(Alexdp21 @ Feb 5 2014, 09:21 AM)
Wah so bad luck to those.  cry.gif
But OCZ SSD's have quite high failure rate compared to other manufacturers eventhough it was the flagship model. So avoid it if you can.
Yep. When its in a clean state everything is smooth and silky. brows.gif
My Samsung Evo going in the 2 month, still doing OK.  thumbup.gif
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Yeah, pretty damned sad for those who bought older legacy OCZ products. And those are the products with the most failure rates too, way worse than the flagships. But I do hope Toshiba can overhaul OCZ and make it competitive again. They do actually make good stuff.

As for your SSD, you better make sure you do not fill it up beyond 80% to sustain comfortable speeds. Once you fill up your SSD there will be some slowing down.

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