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blueheaven
post Jul 7 2013, 01:39 AM

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Hi all,
I'm looking for a recommendation

1. Preferred Brand -Any established brands
2. Budget - RM2000
3. Usage - Surfing web, normal work, light gaming (dota2)
4. Preferred laptop/screen size - 15? but I know my budget is tight, so 14 is sufficient
5. Extra- runs smoothly, not known to be prone to much problems. Not really a requirement, looks will affect my decision.

By the way, i have a couple of questions, like what's the difference between AMD or Nvidia graphics? And How much more superior is i5 to i3 or other kind of processors?

Thanks!

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post Jul 7 2013, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Jul 7 2013, 09:53 AM)
Well, a RM2k budget can get you a few 15" notebooks icon_rolleyes.gif
15.6"
Dell
Inspiron 15, i5-3337U + AMD HD7670M@RM1749[2.25kg], 4GB, 750GB(5400rpm), 4-cell, Linux; W8SL@RM1899
Inspiron 15, i5-3337U + AMD HD7670M@RM1799[2.25kg], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), 6-cell, Linux; W8SL@RM1949
Inspiron 15R, i5-3210M + AMD HD7670M@RM1899[2.65kg], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), W7HP/W8

Toshiba
Satellite L850-1015X/XR/XW, i5-3210M + AMD HD7670M@RM1971, 4GB, 640GB, W8SL, 3 years local warranty; colors:black/red/white
Satellite L850-1024X/XR/XW, i5-3230M + AMD HD7670M@RM1899, 2GB, 500GB, W8SL, 2 years local warranty, RM50 shopping voucher; colors: black/red/white

AMD is not really up to Nvidia's level at the moment, focusing more on budget notebooks only. i5 is basically i3 with turboboost, they don't really make a very huge performance differences for normal usage  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks, I'm liking your recommendations especially the toshiba ones.

If the game that I'm playing is mostly Dota 2, will AMD be sufficient?
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post Jul 7 2013, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(oceanic93 @ Jul 7 2013, 10:41 PM)
Feeling like doing so too. but still have to get advice from you guys instead of my own opinion. I might be wrong sometimes too as I dont know much about laptops compared to you guys.  smile.gif

macbook air: less powerful, more portable
macbook pro: more powerful, less portable
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IMO, alot of mac lovers dislike macbook air because they pride mac alot for being very powerful but macbook air isn't. They'd think that if you wanna get an air, you'd rather go for the conventional windows laptop for they are all less powerful.

But as you stated, there's the pros and cons. And what you should do here is state the high end programs you may be using as a computer student and ask the experts here if Macbook air is powerful enough for them. If it is, then go for the sexy macbook air since it's what you want.

I don't know much about laptops, so I can't help you there.
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post Jul 13 2013, 01:47 PM

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Hi all,

A couple of questions. Dell inspiron 15r has a few colour choices. I've seen one in singapore where the colour choice covers the back, and the part around the keyboard. But some pictures show that the colour only includes the back while the area around the keyboard remains silver.

And what's the difference between fujitsu lh532 and lh532 AP? What colour is available in malaysia and whats the price for one with i5, 2/4g RAM, preferbly with windows?

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post Jul 14 2013, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(Jaru @ Jul 14 2013, 12:54 AM)
dont buy dell..
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why not?
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post Jul 17 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 17 2013, 09:32 AM)
Haswell, haswell. Guys, Haswell is not in most of the laptop brands in Malaysia yet.
Want Haswell, be patient and wait till 3Q13, ok?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haswell is mostly about power consumption right? If my main concern is performance, then waiting for Haswell isn't that important?
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 17 2013, 09:54 AM)
Clock for clock, you may see 2-5% improvement in performance (depends on which benchmark you read).
Lower power consumption, if everything remain the same, may also leads to better thermal profile for the laptop.
As TJ like to say:
"Buy if you need it now. Wait if you can." icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jul 17 2013, 09:56 AM)
haswell isnt focus just only for battery life, even performance improvement. but it depends on personal preferences, as a processor never helps in heavy gaming. whistling.gif
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When doing work, I tend to leave tons of windows open and I hate it when it lags. I assume my current target laptops with i5 would handle it easily, haswell or not haswell. And I have a very powerful desktop at work, so I may or may not bring any work to my laptop.

But let’s say I have targeted a few laptops, and if haswell reaches those, will the price be significantly increased? Those laptops are just marginally in my budget.

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post Jul 17 2013, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:31 AM)
yes, they will increase. assuming, an ivy bridge Y400 priced at RM2799, and Y410p at RM2899, it is a RM100 difference. since the release of haswell processors, every computer components had a price hike.

im working at a computer shop, so i know. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wow, thanks. Should have gotten slightly cheaper targets then. But i'll need a laptop by next month, so, I probably won't wait
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post Jul 17 2013, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jul 17 2013, 10:59 AM)
if you are urgent to get a haswell laptop, the one only you can get is this:

Acer V5-473PG-54204G50, i5-4200 + Nvidia GT740M +(1366x768;touch)@RM2299, 4GB, 500GB,W8 *no OD

but seems to be overpriced your budget, though. sweat.gif
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Yup, overpriced. I guess I'll have to settle without haswell. And I probably won't be getting an acer, due to rumours and bad experience. Though the bad experience was 100% my fault and despite that, my laptop lasted long enough for me to complete my degree.


QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 17 2013, 11:07 AM)
For your usage pattern, CPU actually may not be the most prominent factor in terms of "performance".
When an user has lots of window open, not all windows opened are taking a large chunck of CPU processing time (CPU / software combo is pretty smart at figuring that out now).

You need lots of RAM. 8/16/32G, depends on your level of window-open laugh.gif and the number of RAM slots your laptop have (normally 2 slots, so you could probably put in 2x8G).

The 2nd factor of "lag" that user feels is HDD access. HDD is the slowest component in a laptop. Reading / writing files / data to / from HDD actually contribute the most "lag" feeling.
This is further compounded by the notorious windows swap file (so called virtual memory). If the RAM is insufficient (or sometime even when it is sufficient), OS will write some of data in RAM onto the HDD swap, and all this swapping to / from slow HDD make user feel even more "lag".

The solution?
a. Replace the HDD with SSD.
b. After a, (this is more extreme, only do it if you are absolutely sure that the laptop has sufficient RAM), go to control panel and turn off swap file.
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Is it easy to replace HDD with SSD? Probably won’t do it anytime soon, but might in the future. I’m hoping I won’t be abusing my laptop as much as I did when I was studying.

Thanks for the tip, won’t be using it right now, but will definitely take it in the future

By the way, I’ve seen a couple of computer shops offering free RAM upgrades. My brother bought a Toshiba with 2gb ram, but they offered to upgrade it to 4gb on the spot. Why do shops do that and not just sell it with 4gb?

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post Jul 17 2013, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:22 PM)
Replace HDD with SSD - the difficulty / troublesome level actually depend on laptop model. Some model let user access HDD bay very easily. Some models require user to tackle 40+ screws, tear out almost the whole laptop laugh.gif

free RAM upgrade - that we actually has to thank laptop brands. Why they decide to stick 2G RAM into laptop as standard spec for certain models when W7 or W8 actually will not run optimally at least with 4G (if OS is 32bit, can't utilise more than 4G). So I think re-sellers just take pity on buyers (or save themselves the hassle of getting blame by the buyers later "why laptop so slow ah?" biggrin.gif )
But remember, the RSP is just that. Re-sellers normally can give a bit of discount, and more RAM is a form of "discount / free gift" smile.gif
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Thanks, I'm just afraid of shops replacing parts with lesser quality parts and was wondering if those upgrades are dodgy. It puts my mind at ease.
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post Jul 18 2013, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 17 2013, 05:56 PM)
Do ask them if they are giving you another 2G stick or replace the 2G stick with a 4G stick. Impact future upgradability since laptop normally only has 2 RAM slots.
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I think they usually place another 2G stick. Since my bro told me they just slotted something inside. But can't complain about freebies huh?
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post Jul 18 2013, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 18 2013, 09:33 AM)
can can, for example, try to squeeze out an additional 4G stick rather than 2G stick  laugh.gif
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lol, I'll be here to boast when if I succeed
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post Jul 23 2013, 05:49 AM

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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Jul 22 2013, 10:27 PM)
OH, I forgot to mentioned... keyboard area+screen plate aluminium... the chasis can be plastic.
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Is Dell 15r series aluminium enough? Haven't seen one in person though. And I seem to notice something about discrete CPU in one of its specs. Pretty cheap stuff as well.
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post Jul 23 2013, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(yen2009 @ Jul 23 2013, 06:38 AM)
I've seen them in person. The spec+price doesn't fit me, I can get better specs for Lenovo or Toshiba.
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better specs for that price? I thought the prices there were pretty good already, just that from reviews, it seems like Toshiba and Lenovo may have better build than those Dells.

BTW, how do they look in person? Do they feel decently solid or it's all just looks and feels cheap?

From what I read, I wouldn't recommend it unless on a very tight budget.
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post Jul 23 2013, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jul 23 2013, 09:15 AM)
Dell Inspiron 15R, i7-3537U + AMD HD8730M@RM2499[2.32kg], 6GB, 1TB(5400rpm), 6-cell, W8SL

this is the only that worth the budget. spending extra RM700 for an anti-glare full HD reso isnt worth it.
the aluminium look makes it feels it is well made and doesnt cheap either. for the lenovo, i felt that the brushed aluminium looks like they easy to be cracked and the Yoga even worse, feels like the rubberized palm rest will easy to wear off. toshiba on the other hand, more worse. the whole body is plasticky feel, due to the traditional glossy design.
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How about the 15r with i5 costing RM1899?

by what's the disadvantage of a 15inch laptop compared to a 14inch one with similar specs? besides weight, size and battery consumption?
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post Jul 23 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(orionmuiz @ Jul 23 2013, 09:35 AM)
Is there any laptop with 4GB RAM,2GB Gpx Card, 1TB pricing around RM1500 maybe?
btw, thanks for the fast reply :3
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Not sure, but I stumbled upon this website with this laptop. Not sure how reliable their prices are though.

http://www.techhypermart.com/notebooks/len...p-notebook.html
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post Jul 23 2013, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Jul 23 2013, 09:46 AM)

no other disadvantages. battery consumption on the other hand, is not highly affected by screen size. due to the ULV CPU that is provided by intel, it can provide a better battery life.
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Thanks, I was considering Inspiron 15R, i5-3210M + AMD HD7670M@RM1899[2.65kg], 4GB, 500GB(5400rpm), W7HP/W8

But was worried since the price is almost cheaper than the 14r with similar specs. I thought performance will be affected, or maybe heating problems.

Anyway, for the g400s, I saw many saying it is a rip off with those specs and price, but I see a pretty good deal. Am I missing something?
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post Jul 24 2013, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(falcon21 @ Jul 24 2013, 09:02 AM)
I see, will try it out.

Thanks bro! smile.gif
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Come back and tell me your experience. I'm curious because I heard many people got very good deals.
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post Jul 26 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 26 2013, 12:21 PM)
I don't mean to be hard on you, so pardon me if I sound that way, ok?

Buddy, you are not negotiating, you are "fishing"
When you go to the negotiation table (figuratively speaking), you must be clear on the position you want.
The other side will offer something to you (their position). Most of the time, it is good for the other party to reveal their cards first. In this case, Dell Sales are throwing freebies at you. But those freebies are not your PRIMARY objective.
What are your objectives?
You want extended warranty to 3 years (important), and larger battery (maybe can compromise), and price below your budget (very important).
So you must state that your position.
Tell them your budget is only RM1.5k. Tell them the e-value code (never go wrong with Dell) . If you extend warranty to 3 years, and opt for larger battery, what is the price you see on screen (probably exceed your budget by RM100++?). Tell them you don't want any of their freebies.
Do we have a deal?

Asking for "best deal" is not a good negotiation tactics. The other party has to GUESS what is "best" for you, and that leads to lots of frustration on both sides  laugh.gif
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Wow, very very useful post. THANKS!!
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post Jul 29 2013, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(nexus2238 @ Jul 18 2013, 09:33 AM)
can can, for example, try to squeeze out an additional 4G stick rather than 2G stick  laugh.gif
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LOL, I got a red G400s due to the lack of choices at the mall, and the Toshiba prices aren't within my budget.

That, and for RM1899, they offered a free 2 year extension on warranty and an additional 4G RAM.

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