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TSfoolc
post Jul 4 2013, 03:55 PM

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i am sure many earn more than me

i dont have mba so my salary is stuck compared to my other senior

almost rm18k


dont have the intention to study anymore...

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post Jul 4 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 4 2013, 03:55 PM)
I rasa u tipu.

Normally people will settle for high end car. Even rm3k pun sudah beli honda city.

Dun bluff la kawan
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thank paying a car loan, i can drive my wife in my iswara turbo sports to haatyai n have a good massage + seafood

better to enjoy life than stuck in car loan

and there is nothing great in a honda city

i rather get a saga flx

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post Jul 4 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(limks123 @ Jul 4 2013, 04:05 PM)
Good saving.... indeed

I'm single
Nett income 10k - 11k per mth but presently no saving.

Paying loan for 2 houses + 2 cars (1 car for my dad + 1 for myself).

Recently just moved into new house + renovation (finished all my saving)...
Must learn from TS (Salute), good saving skill (RM4k)
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how old r u?

yes
renovation is the main killer that will drain out all your savings
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:08 PM

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instead of preve, wouldnt a 03 crv going for rm40k a better ride?


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post Jul 4 2013, 04:12 PM

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yes poshe also hit tree n now coma
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:14 PM

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but normally for family outing we use my wife's forte
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:18 PM

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u 28 can earn a lot so fast

at 28 i was getting 8k ++ only sad.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:40 PM

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find kampung type wife

best place is alor star
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post Jul 5 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 5 2013, 10:20 AM)
My company pays for my car, phone, medical, insurance and YET i can only save Rm3k!!!!!!!!!!
Whats wrong???????????
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co medical insurans cover until retire...after retire how? go gomen hospital?
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post Jul 5 2013, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Jul 4 2013, 09:58 PM)
let me share my case pulak:

salary 18k, merid, one kid, wife working

expenses:
1 house - 3500 (staying)
1 house - 2250 (weekend house)
1 condo & 1 house - sold off
1 car - 780 (haibrid - still on loan)
insurance - 1000
food - 750
transport - 1180 (ayam constant travelling)
hp + internet bill - 200
parents - 700 (i know ayam kiam siap abit)
1 kid - 1000
expenses + misc - 650 (allocated)

finally ayam saving - 6000

i got one kid also have to think twice 3x 4x 5x for the 2nd one cos ayam gif the best to mah kid. ayam 30 this year, wan to sit c keras or 320 also not ez yo.

inb4 show off /k really do have 5 figure salary pipul lurking
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same... c class or latest 3 series is nothing... but i prefer the cash savings to have a good life.

really hope can be like you and save atleast rm6k per month.. wow include bonus will be like rm10k per month saving

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post Jul 5 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Jul 5 2013, 10:09 AM)
refinance to hsbc... Full flexi...dump in and withdraw as u like,.. Syok man... Rate also cantik...
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have to wait for 5 year over than only can refinance
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post Jul 5 2013, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(I-Kurosaki @ Jul 5 2013, 02:42 PM)
luckily my wife and parents low profile, no need drive expensive cars to show neighbourhood, no need every anniversary buy designer bags (naraya enuf dy, wub.gif), no need every year must visit japan, europe etc. I also rarely splurge on myself, thank god (no milgauss, but tissot will do just fine).

when bonus come, lots of deduction and tax also  vmad.gif but still have AWS to cover my ass  icon_idea.gif . One thing I will stress again n again, is insurance. Although ayam covered by company, having more than 1 protection is nvr enuf.
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yap

bonus rm40k, after tax all get rm30k


very sad sad.gif


government should also consider car we drive before tax ... drive vios pay more tax....drive iswara pay less... more fair like this


hopefully this yr bonus can get rm60k

hope hope hope

plan to take wife and kid to their first overseas trip. disneyland hong kong!
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post Jul 5 2013, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(takkicom @ Jul 5 2013, 04:41 PM)
14k per mth, i just 2k per mth
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work harder

climb the ladder in your company

rm2k is not worth a life

u need much more



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post Jul 6 2013, 05:50 PM

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read this n be smart ok

from thestar

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...l-mistakes.aspx


Losing big on small mistakes

MONEY AND YOU: BY YAP MING HUI

Compounded errors can add up to quite a bit

THERE’S a famous proverb which goes like this, sikit-sikit, lama-lama jadi bukit. When it comes to the middle class and financial freedom, the only thing keeping them away from becoming financially free is a laundry list of seemingly small financial mistakes.

From my observation, the average middle-class Malaysian, those who make between RM10,000 and RM30,000 household income a month, makes mistakes that cost them between RM1.5mil to RM2.5mil over a period of 20 years. Can you afford such a loss?

The seeds of this financial disaster are planted years before their outcome. Further, the mistakes are often small and do not even look like mistakes at the time. So, many do not even realise that they are making them.

Even if they do understand the error of their ways, they are neither aware of its real impact on their overall financial position nor that it is eroding their chances of financial success. Worse, some take the mistakes lightly and are not vigilant when making these life-defining decisions.

When all these factors are combined, the result is simply a bombshell. If you fall prey to them, you are not going to achieve financial freedom, and you can certainly forget about becoming wealthy.

Thankfully, you can avoid falling into a financial black hole if you know what these simple mistakes are, the cost of making them and how to sidestep these pitfalls.

Mistake No. 1: Paying too much in insurance premiums

Many people either over-insure themselves or pay an excessive premium for insurance because they do not know how to optimise their money. For example, consider two insurance products for a person at age 35: term insurance for RM500,000 will cost RM1,625 per annum, whereas a whole life policy will cost RM14,225 per annum.

Remember that the idea is to buy insurance cover to protect our loved ones from financial hardship in case of an untoward event. We should go for the lowest possible premium and invest the difference between the two premiums to optimise our money.

If you buy term insurance instead of a whole life policy, you will have a saving of RM12,600 per annum to invest. At an 8% return on your investment over 20 years, you will gain RM576,600. On the other hand, with a whole life policy, assuming you receive the entire premium paid (RM14,225 x 20 years), you will have RM284,500. The loss is about RM292,100. Small mistake, big losses.

Mistake No. 2: Failing to increase savings when income rises

The writer C. Northcote Parkinson, who is famous for the so-called Parkinson’s Law that “work expands to fill the time available for its completion”, also said in his book, The Law and the Profits, that expenditures rise to meet income.

He added that “individual expenditure not only rises to meet income, but tends to surpass it, and probably always will.”

This is typical human behaviour. When an employee gets a raise, he decides that he can now afford a better lifestyle. He or she may drive a better car, get a better handbag or mobile phone or enjoy a better holiday. Instead of saving, the average person will spend the extra income.

However, a person who knows how to optimise his wealth would maintain his current lifestyle and increase his savings. Assuming that he saves RM1,000 per month and invests that amount, at an average rate of return of 8% per annum on his investment over 20 years, that would be RM589,020. Another small mistake that results in big losses.

Mistake No. 3: Not optimising the returns on savings

One other common error is to keep too much money in savings instead of investing it. Usually, this is due to fear of making losses or being too busy earning an income or attending to various needs. Say you put RM2,000 per month in a fixed deposit account for 20 years. At 3% interest p.a., FD will give you RM656,603. However, if you invest the amount, at an average rate of return of 8% p.a. on your investment, you would get RM1,178,040. You lose RM521,437. The outcome is even worse for those who put their money into a saving account, which gets only 1% to 2% p.a. Again, a small mistake that leads to big losses.

Mistake No. 4: Failing to revise the interest rate on your mortgage

Remember that the interest rate on mortgages fluctuates. Currently, it is about 2.5% below the Base Lending Rate (BLR) or 4.1% p.a. Some house buyers who are not mindful of the current rate may be paying a mortgage interest rate of BLR + 0% or 6.6% p.a. For a loan of RM500,000, at 4.1% you pay RM3,190 per month. In total, you pay RM765,672 over 20 years. Compare this with 6.6%, where you pay RM3,757 per month. In total, you pay RM901,766 instead. If your current mortgage interest rate is BLR+0 and you do not ask the bank to revise your loan to BLR-2.5%, you will end up paying an extra of RM136,094. Once again, a small mistake that costs you dearly.

If you take into account all four errors, the total losses is a whopping RM1,538,651. This does not include the investment losses made during the 20-year journey. They could be in the form of an abandoned property, frozen gold bullion investment, and unit trust or share market investment losses. Think about it: when a middle income earner makes unnecessary money mistakes, he would have accumulated at least RM1.5mil to RM2.5mil less wealth when he is 55, depending on the kind of mistakes he made.

This is why many middle-class people cannot reach their goal of becoming financially free. None of the four mistakes discussed here are in themselves disastrous. However, their combined and compounding effect rob the middle class of their financial freedom.

A final word: it does not matter whether the mistake you make is big or small. Every single mistake will impact on your goal of financial freedom.

If you seriously want to set yourself free from all your financial obligations, review and plug all possible leakages. At the very least, you can avoid making the mistakes mentioned above at all costs.

YAP MING HUI (yap@yapminghui.com) is a bestselling author, TV personality, columnist and coach on money optimisation. He heads Whitman Independent Advisors, a licensed independent financial advisory firm which has helped people to optimise their money holistically and achieve financial freedom since 2000.
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post Jul 7 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(foolc @ Jul 6 2013, 05:50 PM)
read this n be smart ok

from thestar

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...l-mistakes.aspx
Losing big on small mistakes

MONEY AND YOU: BY YAP MING HUI

Compounded errors can add up to quite a bit

THERE’S a famous proverb which goes like this, sikit-sikit, lama-lama jadi bukit. When it comes to the middle class and financial freedom, the only thing keeping them away from becoming financially free is a laundry list of seemingly small financial mistakes.

From my observation, the average middle-class Malaysian, those who make between RM10,000 and RM30,000 household income a month, makes mistakes that cost them between RM1.5mil to RM2.5mil over a period of 20 years. Can you afford such a loss?

The seeds of this financial disaster are planted years before their outcome. Further, the mistakes are often small and do not even look like mistakes at the time. So, many do not even realise that they are making them.

Even if they do understand the error of their ways, they are neither aware of its real impact on their overall financial position nor that it is eroding their chances of financial success. Worse, some take the mistakes lightly and are not vigilant when making these life-defining decisions.

When all these factors are combined, the result is simply a bombshell. If you fall prey to them, you are not going to achieve financial freedom, and you can certainly forget about becoming wealthy.

Thankfully, you can avoid falling into a financial black hole if you know what these simple mistakes are, the cost of making them and how to sidestep these pitfalls.

Mistake No. 1: Paying too much in insurance premiums

Many people either over-insure themselves or pay an excessive premium for insurance because they do not know how to optimise their money. For example, consider two insurance products for a person at age 35: term insurance for RM500,000 will cost RM1,625 per annum, whereas a whole life policy will cost RM14,225 per annum.

Remember that the idea is to buy insurance cover to protect our loved ones from financial hardship in case of an untoward event. We should go for the lowest possible premium and invest the difference between the two premiums to optimise our money.

If you buy term insurance instead of a whole life policy, you will have a saving of RM12,600 per annum to invest. At an 8% return on your investment over 20 years, you will gain RM576,600. On the other hand, with a whole life policy, assuming you receive the entire premium paid (RM14,225 x 20 years), you will have RM284,500. The loss is about RM292,100. Small mistake, big losses.

Mistake No. 2: Failing to increase savings when income rises

The writer C. Northcote Parkinson, who is famous for the so-called Parkinson’s Law that “work expands to fill the time available for its completion”, also said in his book, The Law and the Profits, that expenditures rise to meet income.

He added that “individual expenditure not only rises to meet income, but tends to surpass it, and probably always will.”

This is typical human behaviour. When an employee gets a raise, he decides that he can now afford a better lifestyle. He or she may drive a better car, get a better handbag or mobile phone or enjoy a better holiday. Instead of saving, the average person will spend the extra income.

However, a person who knows how to optimise his wealth would maintain his current lifestyle and increase his savings. Assuming that he saves RM1,000 per month and invests that amount, at an average rate of return of 8% per annum on his investment over 20 years, that would be RM589,020. Another small mistake that results in big losses.

Mistake No. 3: Not optimising the returns on savings

One other common error is to keep too much money in savings instead of investing it. Usually, this is due to fear of making losses or being too busy earning an income or attending to various needs. Say you put RM2,000 per month in a fixed deposit account for 20 years. At 3% interest p.a., FD will give you RM656,603. However, if you invest the amount, at an average rate of return of 8% p.a. on your investment, you would get RM1,178,040. You lose RM521,437. The outcome is even worse for those who put their money into a saving account, which gets only 1% to 2% p.a. Again, a small mistake that leads to big losses.

Mistake No. 4: Failing to revise the interest rate on your mortgage

Remember that the interest rate on mortgages fluctuates. Currently, it is about 2.5% below the Base Lending Rate (BLR) or 4.1% p.a. Some house buyers who are not mindful of the current rate may be paying a mortgage interest rate of BLR + 0% or 6.6% p.a. For a loan of RM500,000, at 4.1% you pay RM3,190 per month. In total, you pay RM765,672 over 20 years. Compare this with 6.6%, where you pay RM3,757 per month. In total, you pay RM901,766 instead. If your current mortgage interest rate is BLR+0 and you do not ask the bank to revise your loan to BLR-2.5%, you will end up paying an extra of RM136,094. Once again, a small mistake that costs you dearly.

If you take into account all four errors, the total losses is a whopping RM1,538,651. This does not include the investment losses made during the 20-year journey. They could be in the form of an abandoned property, frozen gold bullion investment, and unit trust or share market investment losses. Think about it: when a middle income earner makes unnecessary money mistakes, he would have accumulated at least RM1.5mil to RM2.5mil less wealth when he is 55, depending on the kind of mistakes he made.

This is why many middle-class people cannot reach their goal of becoming financially free. None of the four mistakes discussed here are in themselves disastrous. However, their combined and compounding effect rob the middle class of their financial freedom.

A final word: it does not matter whether the mistake you make is big or small. Every single mistake will impact on your goal of financial freedom.

If you seriously want to set yourself free from all your financial obligations, review and plug all possible leakages. At the very least, you can avoid making the mistakes mentioned above at all costs.

YAP MING HUI (yap@yapminghui.com) is a bestselling author, TV personality, columnist and coach on money optimisation. He heads Whitman Independent Advisors, a licensed independent financial advisory firm which has helped people to optimise their money holistically and achieve financial freedom since 2000.
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read what yap has said

many of your donno how to live well...commit too much too car loan which depreciates
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post Jul 7 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Caterpillar_3309 @ Jul 5 2013, 10:11 AM)
Very inspiring tered. As for a semi-gomen pipul like me, I learned a lot this morning from this tered. I kesian TS for being ridiculed bekos of his car. And I fully understand your logic sir. My same level kolik all drives jap-brand cars. I ride jap-brand 150cc bike to work. My wira my waifu keep. Yeah oredi immune every day being the butt of their jokes.

As for ash tray, u manager kilang or something? If yes, what are u manufacturing? Just asking casually la heh. I'm myself trying to start a business, still in a very early stage.

Income? heh whaddaya expect from a gred-29 servants?
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as get older,use the money saved to go travelling around the world. you can go to spain, melbourne, egypt, hawaii whereas you fren driving the viios will can only go balakong or genting


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post Jul 8 2013, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(junsyern @ Jul 7 2013, 12:56 PM)
streamyx rm130? is UniFi available in your area ? hyyp tv plus faster wifi cost around rm150 + hp = RM200 max if u do not use ur hp to cook porridge.  wink.gif
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hyyp tv got what program? like astro? can it be connected to plasma tv?


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post Jul 8 2013, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(jackpro41 @ Jul 7 2013, 02:16 PM)
TS, u eat gold a?
food expenses 1k?
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how much you sepnd for food? can share what u eat


sometimes have one coffe in startbucks already rm15

kim garry easily rm20

kopitiam n so on at least rm15
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post Jul 8 2013, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(jackpro41 @ Jul 8 2013, 09:20 AM)
1 meal RM5
3 meals a day

30days a month
add RM50 for tax and service (dis is way too much)

u do the math

and what is startbuck?
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this kind of meal i eat when was way younger due to tight budget

now i prefer better meals
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post Jul 8 2013, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jul 8 2013, 09:52 AM)
u're doing good TS, saving 40% of nett take home pay.

if earn money cannot spend, whats the point? save up alot so ur children no need work?

Pamper you and your wife with a spa every month, a trip every 6 months, nice food every sunday. brows.gif
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trips yearly ok la

6 months is a bit over budget unless can pay of one prop

spa yes... every 2 months once

hopefully when i hit 40 in 5 yrs time with a good increment, can start spending the excess to enjoy life a bit.

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