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post Nov 22 2013, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(FortuneClub @ Nov 22 2013, 11:44 PM)
Banker can access to system to check whether the project is being empanelment

Better check with bankers with loan instead of developer sales advisor... Hope this clarify
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It makes sense to say so....
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post Nov 24 2013, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(tangibee @ Nov 24 2013, 11:59 AM)
Screwed and screwed again.
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Care to elaborate more.... How? hmm.gif
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post Nov 24 2013, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(tangibee @ Nov 24 2013, 12:25 PM)
Forget to mention my friend didnt get a unit he wanted and subsequently bought a higher price unit with DIBS in mind. And now not getting loan approved yet, screwed liao lor him... He needs more cash to pump in.
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Which unit he wanted to get?

Didn't someone mention dibs is replaced with something?

If your friend can't get loan, he only have himself to blame?
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post Nov 24 2013, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 24 2013, 05:56 PM)
IMHO, 3-4% is too low for a 42 mths project.
Some already offering 4-5% for 36 mths project. The longer the duration, the higher the holding cost. Thus they should offer something more.
Earlier on, some wisea$$ minister even quote 10-30% higher for dibs project! Lol.
I think 7% is a fair figure given their troubled start inconveiniencing their purchasers? Hehehe.
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post Nov 24 2013, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 24 2013, 06:42 PM)
Additional 7% or total 7%???
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Of course additional 7%....
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post Nov 24 2013, 06:54 PM

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post Nov 25 2013, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 25 2013, 02:04 PM)
For Ekocheras, they offer 7% discount for not taking DIBS for a 4 years contruction
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Did Ekovest put the 7% discount in black and white? EkoCheras is a 30 storey duplex that is equivalent to about 55 storey building height.

Back on EcoSky, will 7% good enough?


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post Nov 25 2013, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2013, 02:46 PM)
Btw dibs is a bonus. Back to basic is not a bad practice. Lets c more genuine buyers who nvr goreng props with dibs to come into pic. Isnt tat healthier?
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Some may or may not see it. I hope Ecoworld can throw in 7% rebate in lieu of dibs, like Ekovest. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 25 2013, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Nov 25 2013, 04:30 PM)
U mean total 7% rebates or 3% + 7% rebates?

If 3% + 7% discount, it would be a lot especially for loan borrowers less than 90% loan. This, I even forecast lesser drop out unless loan issues.

Lucky it was fully booked when it was with tentative 3% early bird, if with 10% discount, the buyers profile could be different and more risky bet where the waiting list could be even much longer with those wannabe with limited or zero downpayment.
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Seriously, I don't think it will happen. I am merely echoing someone compare the 7% rebate in lieu of Dibs...

Can someone tell Parkcity offer how many percent rebate in lieu of DIBS on their cprecent launch of OCP? I was told 3%. Can someone verify this fact....

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post Nov 25 2013, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 25 2013, 06:18 PM)
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OCP only offer DIBS for big units and none for small units to eliminate flippers. And the discount is 6%!!
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Thanks for putting up here.

Does the 6% inclusive of early bird discount? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Nov 26 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2013, 08:20 PM)
Some came in the 1st 2 days but after no. 30 oso get some candies la. Opc is not for flippers so those genuine buyers ll stil enjoy a lil more. Btw cant transfer name le. Not like es. So diff species.
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GiggsKor... ES also prohibit name transfer before VP. That explain why no chance of selling entitlement.
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post Nov 26 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Fivy16 @ Nov 25 2013, 08:32 PM)
My fren told Ecoworld confirmed rebate another 4% to buyers. Anyone get news fr dev
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Yet to hear of this... Can anyone verify this?
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post Nov 26 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Calculator2013 @ Nov 26 2013, 04:38 PM)
Lower floors, drawdown of loan from bank first. So kena interest first, compare to higher floors.
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post Nov 26 2013, 04:55 PM

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Anyone has any interest calculation spreadsheet to share? I really want to simulate the interest incurred for the 4 years construction period... If you have, can email to me..

Another thing about cash outlay... I thought the 4% rebate automatically reduce cash outlay upfront in which it will only be used to pay interest when the billing starts I.e. Foundation.... Foundation work could take 6 months easily
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post Nov 26 2013, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 26 2013, 05:10 PM)
i actually developed my own spreadsheet.  tongue.gif
it basically list down each stage with an anticipated projected completion date.
this would provide me an estimated interest amount.
once confirmed billing occurs, i will overide the specific stage with the actual date.
hence the anticipated figure would be updated instantly.

for the unit i have chosen, the rebate offered comes mighty close to my simulation.  tongue.gif
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This simulation you did based on ltv70 or 90? tongue.gif

Can share2???
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post Nov 27 2013, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(tua lam pa @ Nov 27 2013, 10:17 AM)
Based on my calculation , the 4% compensation was adequate if the project able to complete in 36 months period (As S&P construction period). The longer the more we need to suffer to the bank interest.

Hope Eco World will able to complete this project on time or early.
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This project is a 48 months project.

If one is having their bank LO, I would tend to think that calculation is done. And it is done based on SPA price. No need to reapply for fresh loan. As someone mentioned, not sure BNM will send memo to instruct them to implement on certain date or with immediate effect.


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post Nov 27 2013, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(BigMan123 @ Nov 27 2013, 10:07 AM)
Plus I have not receiced a call on dibs cancellation yet. They called me 2 weeks ago and said dibs still on.
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The chain of events that happened recently will surely trigger EcoWorld to take different measures. During the budget announcement, DIBS is mentioned to be abolished but without mentioning the date. Thus, EcoWorld dare to say the show will go ON.

Then when KPKT announced on 15th Nov.. that all the APDL approved after 15th Nov will not have DIBS. Then Ecoworld has to change direction again as they have yet to get APDL.

Subsequently, the change of calculation of loan that will be based on nett nett value rather than SPA price. This is really a BIG SPANAR in the equation. Communication is top notch so far. Sending letter to purchaser is the way to remind and ensure buyers to speed up loan application process and to secure the LO (regardless the status of DIBS).

When one is embarking on a sailing journey of investment, one has to change direction based on certain info and intuition. There is no one recipe for all. Cancelling DIBS is a must for them to comply with KPKT instruction.

On whether 4% is enough or not, that is tough question. One gotta do some simulation to see the interest incurred.

Does replacing DIBS with 4% make you think this project no longer has the potential to be the next succeeful integrated development? Think again....... Dont let a small obstacle cloud your judgement.

On the proposed incineration plant, there is also a masterplan from the G showing that the MRT station is located diagonally opposite from the proposed site. I seriously dont know what is their intention putting up an incinerator in a highly populated area. Let me share what is so bad about incinerator though some may think incinerator is the way to go....

1. Operating cost and project cost is very high. Those people dont know what they are doing. They may spend alot in training and end up getting nothing. Does Scorpene sound familiar?

2. They may say the cost is now lower. But then it doesnt stop them from putting up VO during construction, just like the new palace...started with 400million and ballonned to 1.2 billion.... Wanna me talk about KLIA2?

3. Incinerator need fossil fuel or huge amount of energy to burn the wastes. Our waste composition is pretty humid or wet. It requires more energy, making it less cost effective. Look at our waste, we have too much cheecheongfun sauve, mee rebus kuah or dhal in it......

4. Have the G try to cultivate the 3R concept..... REDUCE, REUSE AND RECYCLE....? Back home, I recycle the plastic beg from Maximo/Gardenia bread. Vege wastes and fruits wastes are buried as compost in my tiny garden.

5. Putting an incinerator is like curing symptoms rather than curing the root cause. THey ought to put up concerted efforts to reduce wastes and also to reduce consumption of those plastic-based packaging materials such as plastic bags and styrofoam pack for chapfan.....The anology is like going to see an incompetent doctor who just wanna prescribe you antibiotics and paracethamol without inspecting you enough of what cause the fever and inflammation.

6. This incinerator will be spewing out massive quantity of carbon dioxide that contribute to global warming. Eventually, this will lead to more man made disaster, rise of sea level, etc.....

7. Apart from CO2, there could possibly discharge of dioxin and other harmful byproducts. Such pollution will get into the air and our water system....eventually semua kena... Regardless Ecosky, Lakeville, Kiara East FRIM, Selayang, Seri Gombak, Kepong, Jinjang, Desa Park City...etc...

8. There are 2-3 runnings parks nearby the proposed site....Kepong Metropolitan Park, Mastiara Metropolitan Park and also FRIM... all within the radius of 3km... They wanna kill people meh?

9. Have the G trying to divert attention? Similar plant proposed in Kg Bohol Puchong and Broga had been scrapped. Why choose to do it again when rakyat know there is a better way to solve of wastes? remember 3R....

10.... For everyone, regardless you vested in EcoSky or not... Have you done your part in contributing to 3R or to help our Mother Earth? (dont answer me..... answer it to yourself and change now).....

Sorry for the long winded post. PM me if anyone wanna know more about the campaign on Saying NO to Incinerator....

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post Nov 27 2013, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(tangent88 @ Nov 27 2013, 12:22 PM)
Just came back from BNM for printing CCRIS report, as spoken to the pegawai there. All the LTV shall base on NSP not SPA price effective on 15 NOV. For those who have approved before 15 NOV will not affected.
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Thanks for the good update. So, those with LO shouldnt be worry on the new ruling....JUST DONT REAPPLY FRESH LOAN.
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post Nov 27 2013, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 27 2013, 12:01 PM)
In simplicity, if loan drawdown is averaged over 48 months periods e.g. for RM100k loan and RM2,083 per month, at 4.5% p.a. interest rate, total interest paid over 48 months would be about RM9,180 or 9% of bank loan.
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I have been trying to get hold of the spreadsheet to simulate the drawdowns within the 48 months so that one can get a feel whether 4% is adequate or not. Who have such spreadsheet?
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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 27 2013, 01:03 PM)
What i am genuinely pissed off by eco world team is:
Lack of effort; they claimed that they have contingencies in place but history have shown over and over again that this is not true
Lack of experience; they claimed that the team is experienced but their repeated attempts and failure has shown otherwise
Lack of knowledge; some of their staff are not very well briefed about the product. Answers to same question by different staff yield different results.
Lack of transparency; not being transparent in their offerings, packages, timeline, etc.. A layman might accept your general answer but please do not undermind sophiscated purchasers such as tengster.
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aiyah Kochinkor...You burn my stack.. tongue.gif

On serious note, without APDL, it is relatively hard to navigate the journey clearly and correctly. I would try to be Sabah Sarawak (i.e. patient) till APDL is obtained and then see what are the contingency plans that could probably take place. They surely can see how much they kena tembak-ed every now and then.

Let's see how they redeem themselves...okie mouh Kochinkor??? cool.gif

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