QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:43 PM)
Ceh,,, 12:1 compression ratio also no knocking LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V56!, MDM,JDM,CDM,PKM,MCH,SSH,SHY!
LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V56!, MDM,JDM,CDM,PKM,MCH,SSH,SHY!
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Jun 28 2013, 02:24 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(rashidSelamat @ Jun 28 2013, 12:05 AM) Zam from NPF is my friend friend..last monday go there lepak de...according to him,so far only 1 4B12 and 1 4B11T(evox) has send cylinder head to them...next monday go there again to buy tshirt. Wah!! Damn good..can get friend friend price if want to pnp head? |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:24 PM) OK Idiot sekalian ... I have made the Research on the 4B10 and 4B11 differences .. for idiots whom wanted to do this.. Good news.. 2.0 oso can go 2.4 in similar way?The differences is just the Piston and conrod! .. crank shaft is the same.. [attachmentid=3508331] 4B10 | 4B11 Basic diameter mm | 86 | 86 | Pin hole diameter mm | 21 | 21 | Overall height mm |52.66 | 50.5 | 4B11 have shorter piston then 4B10 and the conrod .. [attachmentid=3508351] 4B10 | 4B11 Small end hole diameter (d) mm | 21 | 21 | Big end hole diameter (D) mm | 51 | 51 | Centre-to-centre distance (L) mm | 153.55 | 149.25 | now back to some basic calculation. 4B10 Bore -> 86mm 4B10 Stroke -> 77.4 mm 4B11 Bore -> 86mm 4B11 Stroke -> 86mm How do we calculate the CC ? ((PI x (Bore / 2) x (Bore / 2) x Stroke ) / 1000 ) x 4 What is PI . 3.142 ... Go google. the last one we X4 is because it has 4 piston ((3.142 x (86/2) x (86/2) x 77.4 ) / 1000) x 4 = ((3.142 x 43 x 43 x 77.4) /1000) x 4 = (449.659) x 4 = 1798 cc For 2.0 ((3.142 x (86/2) x (86/2) x 77.4) / 1000 ) x 4 = ((3.142 x 43 x 43 x 86 ) / 1000 ) x4 = (499.622) x 4 = 1998 cc Now look back at the CON ROD I posted 4B10 -> 153.55 mm 4B11 -> 149.25 mm 153.55 - 149.25 mm = 4.3 mm differences if u put this 4.3 into a JEJARI (sorry I dunno what is call in English) .. in terms of diameter .. 4B11 will be 8.6 mm shorter than 4B10, which makes MORE ROOM for the stroke . Back to the spec .. 4B10 = 77.4mm stroke ... 4B11 = 86mm stroke 86 - 77.4mm = 8.6mm So the calculation match . SUMMARY in layman terms... to upsize 1.8 to 2.0 .. ONLY THE CONROD is SUFFICIENT. But then if you use back the same piston, compression might be too high. Good luck in exploring |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:09 AM
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Majority is korek, except for this part:
QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:24 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 153.55 - 149.25 mm = 4.3 mm differences if u put this 4.3 into a JEJARI (sorry I dunno what is call in English) .. in terms of diameter .. 4B11 will be 8.6 mm shorter than 4B10, which makes MORE ROOM for the stroke . Back to the spec .. 4B10 = 77.4mm stroke ... 4B11 = 86mm stroke 86 - 77.4mm = 8.6mm So the calculation match . SUMMARY in layman terms... to upsize 1.8 to 2.0 .. ONLY THE CONROD is SUFFICIENT. But then if you use back the same piston, compression might be too high. Good luck in exploring So for the engine it's the same. The crankshaft for 4b10 11 and 12 is different because an 11 would need a greater THROW than a 10, 12 would need a greater THROW than an 11. This THROW is what makes the piston move up and down. Am i making sense? |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(miuk @ Jun 28 2013, 02:24 AM) They're using GDI technology, where it directly injects fuel into the combustion chamber. Hence cooling the mixture allowing for higher compression therefore less chance of knockQUOTE(animegod @ Jun 28 2013, 09:01 AM) No. All 10 11 12 crankshafts are different. 10 and 12 conrods are the same though iirc |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(mercury99 @ Jun 28 2013, 09:09 AM) Majority is korek, except for this part: YOu are right... Confused myself last night. So yea back to square one. Crankshaft diff as well. The throw!Why? Because engine displacement is calculated by the total DISPLACEMENT of the piston when it moves up and down the engine. e.g. I have a full bucket of water. I put in a big rock, x amount of water flows out. The displacement of the rock is x. I then fill up the bucket again, put in a small rock, y amount of water flows out. It's displacement is y. So for the engine it's the same. The crankshaft for 4b10 11 and 12 is different because an 11 would need a greater THROW than a 10, 12 would need a greater THROW than an 11. This THROW is what makes the piston move up and down. Am i making sense? |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:37 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 09:37 AM
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4B12 stroke much much longer
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Jun 28 2013, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(mercury99 @ Jun 28 2013, 09:37 AM) All the while I was I knew crack piston and conrod.. Somehow I do the math last night and ngam2 4.3mm high diff in diameter = 8.6mm.. And I totally miss out the throw part.. Lolz.. So back to square one.. LolSAme la.. If juz piston n conrod, u have to remove the block in order to remove the con rod and piston. I see no diff. But the piston to find correct sizing (ori used) good luck |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:52 AM
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ok.. means no chance of cheapjing upgrade.. so can continue to the usual poison topics..
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Jun 28 2013, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:43 PM) WTF.......why our 1.8 piston like hunchback of notredame..... QUOTE(animegod @ Jun 28 2013, 09:52 AM) means back to square zero, halfcut 4b11 |
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Jun 28 2013, 09:56 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:00 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:04 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:16 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:23 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:38 AM
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kenny always so bold.. post things here.. u no scared ppl say u copy them ar? kopy ppls still so daring post here and there..
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Jun 28 2013, 10:40 AM
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Jun 28 2013, 10:49 AM
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ok.. from now on we can become "troll" retiree.. start to become honest ppl..
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