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LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V56!, MDM,JDM,CDM,PKM,MCH,SSH,SHY!
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Jun 27 2013, 10:47 PM
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OK Idiot sekalian ... I have made the Research on the 4B10 and 4B11 differences .. for idiots whom wanted to do this.. Good news..
The differences is just the Piston and conrod! .. crank shaft is the same.. 4B10 | 4B11 Basic diameter mm | 86 | 86 | Pin hole diameter mm | 21 | 21 | Overall height mm |52.66 | 50.5 | 4B11 have shorter piston then 4B10 and the conrod .. 4B10 | 4B11 Small end hole diameter (d) mm | 21 | 21 | Big end hole diameter (D) mm | 51 | 51 | Centre-to-centre distance (L) mm | 153.55 | 149.25 | now back to some basic calculation. 4B10 Bore -> 86mm 4B10 Stroke -> 77.4 mm 4B11 Bore -> 86mm 4B11 Stroke -> 86mm How do we calculate the CC ? ((PI x (Bore / 2) x (Bore / 2) x Stroke ) / 1000 ) x 4 What is PI . 3.142 ... Go google. the last one we X4 is because it has 4 piston ((3.142 x (86/2) x (86/2) x 77.4 ) / 1000) x 4 = ((3.142 x 43 x 43 x 77.4) /1000) x 4 = (449.659) x 4 = 1798 cc For 2.0 ((3.142 x (86/2) x (86/2) x 77.4) / 1000 ) x 4 = ((3.142 x 43 x 43 x 86 ) / 1000 ) x4 = (499.622) x 4 = 1998 cc Now look back at the CON ROD I posted 4B10 -> 153.55 mm 4B11 -> 149.25 mm 153.55 - 149.25 mm = 4.3 mm differences if u put this 4.3 into a JEJARI (sorry I dunno what is call in English) .. in terms of diameter .. 4B11 will be 8.6 mm shorter than 4B10, which makes MORE ROOM for the stroke . Back to the spec .. 4B10 = 77.4mm stroke ... 4B11 = 86mm stroke 86 - 77.4mm = 8.6mm So the calculation match . SUMMARY in layman terms... to upsize 1.8 to 2.0 .. ONLY THE CONROD is SUFFICIENT. But then if you use back the same piston, compression might be too high. Good luck in exploring |
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Jun 27 2013, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:24 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 153.55 - 149.25 mm = 4.3 mm differences if u put this 4.3 into a JEJARI (sorry I dunno what is call in English) .. in terms of diameter .. 4B11 will be 8.6 mm shorter than 4B10, which makes MORE ROOM for the stroke . Back to the spec .. 4B10 = 77.4mm stroke ... 4B11 = 86mm stroke 86 - 77.4mm = 8.6mm So the calculation match . SUMMARY in layman terms... to upsize 1.8 to 2.0 .. ONLY THE CONROD is SUFFICIENT. But then if you use back the same piston, compression might be too high. Good luck in exploring This post has been edited by edison1437: Jun 27 2013, 11:28 PM |
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Jun 27 2013, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(botack @ Jun 27 2013, 10:46 PM) Me, T630 and Mugi last time went there lepak with the owner because that sorhai T630 wanted to pnp his 4b12... Zam from NPF is my friend friend..last monday go there lepak de...according to him,so far only 1 4B12 and 1 4B11T(evox) has send cylinder head to them...next monday go there again to buy tshirt. |
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i wanted to try ron97....but...
yeah... you r right, i'm a cheapskate... LoL |
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 27 2013, 11:43 PM) High comp 4b10 piston with conrod 4b11 will be more kaboom Actually ive done high comp setup at my gen2.. So far so good except that my piston ring needs to change now Im using campro 1.3 high comp piston with crankshaft and conrod campro 1.6 |
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Jun 28 2013, 12:26 AM) High comp 4b10 piston with conrod 4b11 will be more kaboom whats the compression rate of ur Gen2 now ?Actually ive done high comp setup at my gen2.. So far so good except that my piston ring needs to change now Im using campro 1.3 high comp piston with crankshaft and conrod campro 1.6 |
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QUOTE(iguana_tan @ Jun 27 2013, 05:01 PM) ya, will do that next time. if really need extra will top up myself. Same case with me. Tomorrow only service for the 3rd times, 10k KM. will spend on KNN drop in filter & cleaning kit, 220 + 70. at SC service 2 times and never see them take out the air filter and blow or clean for me... I wonder they can help me change the KNN filter or not... |
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