A fairly good and detailed post on the diffrence between sealants (synthetic polymers) and Carnauba wax:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/122218-...olymer-sealant/


Makes me feel like applying a layer of Carnauba wax to fend off all the bird droppings. Also describes pretty well how sealants work.

Yes you can. Under Apps, settings, there is a page for your to specify the preferred GPS app that is fired up when you press the navigation button. I plan to throw in Sygic.

The software, you might have to look around. I've got mine from my Windows CE days. But I haven't had time to get it done right. Purchasing wise, probably you'd have to check out the respective vendors.

To install, just copy it to a SD card (get a new one and don't use the tiny one that Speednavi came in).

In the HU, there is a 'Files' app. Tap on it, and browse to the SD card. Locate where you copied the GPS app to and run the exe. If the exe fires up successfully, go to your System settings in the HU. There should be an option "Navigation software path" or something to that effect and set it to run the exe.


I'd attach a pic but I don't have it now. The FB cerato groups also have a video for this. You can check them out.

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My understanding is that Korean cars are heavily dependent on their electronics. There is a significant amount of sensors in the car that governs the vehicle's operations. These sensors are obviously heavily dependent on voltages (high/low and the in between states) and report it's values to the EMS, TCU and other elements.

My 2 cents here purely though is that, by cutting the wires, the manufacturer may potentially deem that the vehicle malfunctioned because of something that might have been put in between where the cut occurred, potentially causing the vehicle or a part of it to behave incorrectly. It's their prerogative when it comes to this, but the ball is in the owner's court to prove that it didn't, which might be quite tough.

This is the downside of Korean cars. They have a lot of sensors and a misbehaving or even loose sensor can cause the car to misbehave. A good example. My K3's gearbox refused to engage because of a sensor error. When the error was somehow corrected (not sure how), the car just jumped forward like somewhat just banged me from the rear. It's quite unpleasant. A visit to the SC has hopefully sorted that bit out.

You can read more about the sensors, how it affects your car and pretty much every technical detail about it at KGIS, the SC reference site. I have some stuff from there, but I don't think it's right to post it here.

All in all, Korean cars are technically very advanced vehicles due to the design. However, this advanced design also means that tampering with their wiring could lead to unexpected results even though the tampering does not seem to be one that affects other systems in the vehicle. A good example is a subwoofer would certainly place a high load onto the electrical systems. However, it does seem so remote from something such as a temperature sensor. But a change in overall current stability would affect the performance of that sensor, potentially causing your car to misbehave.

This is just my 2 cents judging from the documents I've studied at KGIS. It's a good read, but it also puts me off from making too many mods to the vehicle, especially if requires tampering the electrical, wiring or CANBUS.

Well..I'm not sure. Apparently a calibration problem of sorts. But it was fixed relatively quickly. Probably just a reset of the range of acceptable values. SC told me it's something that is normally done at the factory.

It's apparently not uncommon though, not just for KIA. Other brands when the car behaves a bit odd, they will still ask you to perform a software reset as well.

Nonetheless the problem has not re-surfaced since then and I'm happily enjoying my ride

I went down that very same road when I looked at cars to replace my dying ride.

Long story short, I drove the City, Civic during my evaluation and my budget range was between 90K-120K. Altis was not available for test drive at that time as it just launched.

I wasn't even considering the K3 till someone here "took" me to a showroom and just test drive it. It was certainly a lot better than the Civic which I was contemplating. But amongst other things, other aspects of consideration are:

1) Mature components, especially the gearbox. It's Hyundai's own one and has saw duty for many years.

2) Part commonality

3) Generally simple setup and design. Yes a bit more electronics that I'd like to run a car, but every car is headed down that path

4) For those who really want to know everything about the car, the login to KGIS is easily available (just google it). There's a lot to learn from there and not having to rely on SC's story


Beyond that, I like the black interior. For 120k, I'd get a hideous beige interior in the Civic and be missing a lot of stuff like reverse cam etc. Likewise on the Altis, as the kit is nothing to shout about, although they've got apparently the best CVT in the market.

I guess at the end of the day, it's the value proposition and the fact there is nothing too advanced about the car that can't be figured out. There are other cars in this price bracket that you will have to deal with unusual things which baffle our mechs here, i.e carbon build up in a direct injection engine. At least on the K3, it's simple enough that these issues won't arise. Only thing is, how long can the sensors on the car last.

So far, other than that I haven't faced any problems. Some minor smell from the aircond but that was resolved by cleaning the air cond filter. It's a pretty decent vehicle.

I drove the Civic for only a very short time, but I found the Cerato to be more comfortable to drive and smoother.

In terms of driving practicality, I'd eer towards the Cerato because of the paddle shifters. That is a very handle feature when driving and I use it very often.

In terms of noise, I feel the Cerato is quieter and it's even quieter now since I installed additional rubber seals on all the door frames and boot.

I got it from a guy that does it for CX-5 owners. If you'd like I can PM you the number.

It's a bit on the pricy side at approx RM370. But one thing, if your concern is tyre noise, it doesn't really help to reduce it a lot. There's certainly a difference after installing, but I don't think the tyre noise reduced significantly.

Basically what I understand is that there was a calibration issue with one of the sensors.

For your case, I believe you can try to ask the SC for the details of the error. Whenever the check engine light appears, there is likely an error that is recorded. Ask them to download all the errors to GDS and print it out for you and look up the error codes. Most of the time the code is standard, unless it's a KIA specific code. With the description, you should be able to get an idea of what's wrong.

If it were me, I'd insist to see what is on the tool's screen when they troubleshoot. But if a check engine light appears twice, resetting should not be the way to go.

If the SC refuses, then you can probably talk to your SA to give him a word, or go to another SC that is more cooperative.

But fundamentally, I'd be pretty pissed if my car had to be reset twice. I'd certainly demand to see the error logs.

One thing though, the fact the check engine light comes on and your car (hopefully) has not stalled, probably indicates a non critical error. Normally it is related to intake or emissions sensors. But that's just from my limited knowledge and I could be wrong, so experts out there, do feel to correct me ya

Not really an ICE person myself, but am a bit of a person that appreciates good quality sound. I'd say the audio quality of the car is passable. Nothing special about it.

Only good thing is, it seems to be quite easy to upgrade, but probably need to consider if it results in any wire cutting etc.

Treble wise is pretty good. Since there is already 2 tweeters that come installed with the car.

Overall I'd say with some tweaks of the EQ, you'd get pretty decent audio quality. I generally play lossless .wav files and it sounds great.

I'm also having some issues with the air cond when it turns on. Smelly air comes out from the vents. It's probably the only frustrating bit about the car right now. Took it to one SC but didn't get any reasonable answers. Going to send it elsewhere.

Actually there is a TSB out for this and a suggested resolution. I'm trying to find a SC that will actually do it. It describes the smell being caused by bacterial growth in the evaporator.





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Hi Yorkhan, could you elaborate on the computer nuisance? Sounds like a software bit that might have caused the smell?

What I understand in my conversations with the SC is that it is not mandatory, and is optional. I suppose you could ask them not to add it. But no harm getting them look into it as well I suppose.

In the US, they do reccomend the use of injector cleaners under some situations:

Note on injector cleaners

What's interesting to note in that document is that if their suggested fuel cleaner is not available, the Techron fuel cleaner is suggested. Could not find that additive here, but some of it would be present in Caltex petrol. One key point I felt that was important in that document was this, hence the reason I use Caltex:

"TECHRON® Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner” effectively cleans fuel injectors,
intake valves, combustion chambers, and protects critical fuel system components from corrosion and
sulfur content in fuel. This product will not harm emission control systems and will not leave behind
harmful combustion chamber deposits."

I'm hoping the additive in the local Caltex fuel also has the same properties.

Congrats Zurusan!

Guys just a heads up, check the place you park for oil spots, and if you got a chance, check your oil levels to ensure they are still full or above the mid point. Or better, look around with a torch light to see if there's oil sitting on any components.

I've had an oil leak going on for quite a while and just discovered it when I send the car to perform balancing and alignment. Lucky a sharp eye mech spotted it.

Guess for new cars, we also have to monitor the oil levels weekly. Hopefully this is an isolated case.


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Was really quite happy with my ride till now. Until it springs an oil leak at a young 6000 KM. Added with the Automatic tranny issue at 800 KM, i'm really hoping they really improved in terms of reliability.

Perhaps mine is a lemon, but I'm going to so push Naza over this issue.

Thanks man.

I've seen severe lemons including a dodgy electricals on a less than a day old Hyundai i10, but this tops the chart for failures in my book at the moment.

Hopefully it gets sorted.