well as for setting up QoS at ur ATA it will not be any diff it ur all the way in the cloud there is no QoS set ... well we will have to wait until there is a proper SLAs for the cloud ...

as for the round trip i can see that mine ... if i ping to TMNet 015 it will only return average of 6ms .... ehmmm and I am using wireless
but then again I will test it on my streamyx line ....

cheers

cuzzmz : im using e-voice premium (TMNET)

this is what i get after running a trace route to evp.tm.net.my

Tracing route to evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 51 ms 45 ms 44 ms 219.93.218.177
3 49 ms 43 ms 43 ms 219.93.217.197
4 50 ms 42 ms 43 ms 210.187.132.49
5 45 ms 46 ms 45 ms brf-odsy02-srp1-0.tm.net.my [210.187.135.2]
6 379 ms 46 ms 44 ms 210.187.143.1
7 47 ms 148 ms 44 ms 219.93.182.230
8 51 ms 44 ms 44 ms evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9]

Trace complete.

mine ....

Pinging evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9] with 32 bytes of data

Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 219.93.150.9:
Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 20, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 14ms, Average = 10ms

Ave 10 ms quite good

trace route

Tracing route to evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms 219.93.218.177
3 28 ms 20 ms 9 ms 219.93.216.189
4 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 210.187.142.1
5 10 ms 11 ms 9 ms 219.93.151.102
6 10 ms 11 ms 9 ms evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9]

Trace complete. ...

I use a aztech ATA300 .... well i dunno why cant make call conf to pstn .... maybe they dont allowed it anymore ... but conf onnet to onnet still can i hope

Pinging evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=59
Reply from 219.93.150.9: bytes=32 time=9ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 219.93.150.9:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 9ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 9ms

Nice pings. This ping test was done when my CS server was running too.

try using ethereal to sniff up ur conversation and maybe can post the jitter result here

Target Name: evp.tm.net.my
IP: 219.93.150.9
Date/Time: 29/05/2006 07:13:52 pm

2 * * * * * * * * * * [-]
3 * 24 ms 59 ms 24 ms * 23 ms * * 24 ms 23 ms [219.93.218.117]
4 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms kbu-odsy01-g0-1.tm.net.my [210.187.133.241]
5 58 ms 49 ms 139 ms 78 ms 228 ms 49 ms 48 ms 49 ms 133 ms 48 ms [219.93.172.117]
6 87 ms 48 ms 49 ms 50 ms 49 ms 48 ms 48 ms 49 ms 55 ms 50 ms [210.187.126.218]
7 49 ms 49 ms 50 ms 49 ms 49 ms 48 ms 49 ms 49 ms 49 ms 57 ms [203.106.206.54]
8 47 ms 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 47 ms 46 ms 46 ms 47 ms 46 ms brf-odsy01-srp1-0.tm.net.my [210.187.135.1]
9 46 ms 47 ms 46 ms 222 ms 46 ms 46 ms 47 ms 47 ms 47 ms 46 ms [210.187.142.1]
10 50 ms 50 ms 50 ms 49 ms 50 ms 49 ms 49 ms 50 ms 50 ms 49 ms [219.93.151.102]
11 46 ms 46 ms 46 ms 45 ms 45 ms 45 ms 46 ms 45 ms 46 ms 45 ms evp.tm.net.my [219.93.150.9]


This post has been edited by Xybirium: May 29 2006, 07:15 PM

hey cruzzmz how does ethereal work ? mind to explain since u know about it ?
could not understand much from here :

http://www.ethereal.com/introduction.html

well i usually use a few sniffer but ethereal is free plus can sniff VoIP packet ... u just download & install on ur pc ... but i think u still need to install
winPcap
then u can sniff by using a softphone on ur pc ....


cheers

This post has been edited by cruzzmz: May 30 2006, 11:00 AM

thenobodies:

Your examples of "autodialers" use is mainly for telemarketing business, isn't it?

The voip for business basically may save you on the long distance toll-call charges but telco providers are smarter than this. VoIP for business rate is not the same as the residential service rate. Their rates are most likely to be higher.

Whether it is VoIP or Traditional Circuit Switching PSTN, you still need that "autodialer" mechanism to make that volume calling behind the scene. Making it to work may cost you more.

Be warned, some businesses have actually lost more customers after they have moved to VoIP-PSTN for calling because of poor quality, loss calls and frustating call agents. This is not because of the technology, it is because of poor implementation.

The low cost best effort type of residential broadband type of connection is probably not good enough to provide quality and stable network for running a business. You may have to go for dedicated leased line.

This post has been edited by netfan: May 31 2006, 06:30 AM

Here's something to share: VoIP in Osceola School, Florida, USA

A video clip of a success story of VoIP implementation in a US public school by Cisco Systems and a local solution provider - Data Dimension.

Hmm..I wonder if there's any public school in Malaysia has VoIP?

This post has been edited by netfan: May 31 2006, 06:18 AM

I agree with that .... it is better to have a dedicated line for ur own VoIP ... regardless it is a DSL line or better leased line ... the codec also plays an important role to the bandwidth consumption .... plus the QoS

As for the malaysia school that implement VoIP not sure who got it ... but maybe smart school is going to do it ???

I not sure whether all smart school got VOIP but I know some that fell under schoolnet projet got VOIP as part as internet services. Those school got VOIP which allow them to call each other free of charge.

Well that is the beauty of using VoIP ... free because it is consider as pc to pc calls ... how bout video conf .... is there any out there ???

Not sure about Malaysia but when I was working in Singapore, I worked on a project to connect a few technical colleges and universities (like NUS, Nanyang, Raffles) with Polycom units. The video conferencing units at the time were using H.323 with H.263 for video quality. They were using it for distance learning and remote meetings. Also, their hospitals were experimenting with tele-health. The Singapore govt has put up a very good infrastructure, all at 10mbps or higher. Nowadays, there are firmwares available in newer video equipement equipment allows them to use SIP and the latest H.264 (mpeg4) video quality .

I went up to Malaysia, wanted to demo a unit in a school in Johor Baru. Unfortunately, that school only has a 128k leased line from Jaring. Video conferencing requires at minimum 384k (bi-directional) for decent quality.

Even with broadband service (like TmNET or Jaring), without synchronous communication capability (meaning same speed both upload and download at minimum 384k), the video looks crappy. It is necessary to get a dedicated leased line (preferable T1/E1 or better) before moving to video service.

Those organisations with video conferencing capability, deploying a voice-ip system is fairly easy. Their video network already has QoS, MCU, Gatekeeper, supporting packetized voice is just another application.

This post has been edited by netfan: May 31 2006, 08:36 PM

This topic might not belong here but...

Just out of curiosity, is anybody here using the TM HomePrepaid and if you are, can it also be used for Streamyx?

I understand it is so much cheaper because you don't even have to pay a single sen for rental and there is no bill. You only need to reload using the Ring Ring Card or iTalk Mobile Card.

Please comment...

Hi, anyone interested in a voip service do PM me... fixed monthly price also fixed monthly charge, inclusive of a PAP2 device will be installed at your place so that you can just like normal over the phone. A few packages to choose from, no talk limit. There is also daily, weekly and monthly package. Price is very reasonable.

PM me or email me at rattan77(at)gmail.com , companies, home/small business welcome to contact me.

Cheers

This post has been edited by rattan: Jun 6 2006, 02:42 AM

Xybirium : Yes I am using the prepaid and using streamyx.... its been 15 months now... :-)

This post has been edited by rattan: Jun 6 2006, 10:26 AM

yup most of my buddies is using tm home prepaid + streamyx

This post has been edited by cruzzmz: Jun 6 2006, 05:21 PM

How much? How about call charges? Have to pay?

eMail me the full list at xybirium@yahoo.co.uk

This post has been edited by Xybirium: Jun 6 2006, 07:57 PM