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post May 25 2006, 11:29 AM

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What is Fujitel ?

Its a service allows home users, businesses and even larger enterprises to talk to each other seamlessly, and for a lot less than you would expect. All you pay is an Internet device and your monthly broadband service while the rest is FREE !


Key Benefits of Fujitel VOIP

High quality telephone technology

Turn long distance calls become local call charges

Drastically reduce call costs and reduce line rentals

World wide on-net calls for Free

Turn your PC into a telephone

Country RM/min
Australia 0.10
Canada 0.10
China 0.10
France 0.10
Germany 0.10
Hong Kong 0.10
Italy 0.10
Malaysia 0.10
Norway 0.11
Singapore 0.10
Spain 0.10
Sweden 0.10
Switzerland 0.11
Taiwan 0.10
United Kingdom 0.10
USA 0.10

Contact: Mr. Yong-017-3831879
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post May 25 2006, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(netfan @ May 25 2006, 08:20 AM)
Sorry, can't reveal specific but I am working in research and educational network (not in Malaysia) with direct dealings with a lot of Tier1/Tier2 ISPs. However, I still considered myself a newbie in VoIP.  Voice is not my specialty either. I am router and switches guy.

In the past, voice is solely the phone technician domain. For example, if the phones doesn't work, just call the phone tech at local telco, he'll come and to fix those bad copper lines or replace your phones.

With VoIP, if the calls have problem,  the IP phones or the IP-PBX doesn't work, now, the network sys. admin or IT guy has to get involved.  Heck, the noisy user will ask, hey did you bring down my network? Did you prioritize my traffic? blah-blah..
Somehow the network always get blamed. 

Another thing, 'Triple Plays' ads hype are begining play on those CEO's mind. Sooner or later, we'll see tech support calls like 'TV doesn't work' - call your network administrator (whatever happen to call the local TV repair man?).

Hmmm, come to think of this, I don't think I like where it is heading. sad.gif
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I'm sorry if I rattled you but you just seemed to be experienced in these. However, as I said before, me and all the rest of the thread readers will gain very much from your experience even if you are just a switches and routers guy.

Thanks again.

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post May 25 2006, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(emmanuelyong @ May 25 2006, 11:29 AM)
What is Fujitel ?

Its a service allows home users, businesses and even larger enterprises to talk to each other seamlessly, and for a lot less than you would expect. All you pay is an Internet device and your monthly broadband service while the rest is FREE !


Key Benefits of Fujitel VOIP

High quality telephone technology
 
Turn long distance calls become local call charges
 
Drastically reduce call costs and reduce line rentals
 
World wide on-net calls for Free
 
Turn your PC into a telephone

  Country RM/min
  Australia 0.10
  Canada 0.10
  China 0.10
  France 0.10
  Germany 0.10
  Hong Kong 0.10
  Italy 0.10
  Malaysia 0.10
  Norway 0.11
  Singapore 0.10
  Spain 0.10
  Sweden 0.10
  Switzerland  0.11
  Taiwan 0.10
  United Kingdom 0.10
  USA 0.10

Contact: Mr. Yong-017-3831879
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I think this is supposed to be in the garage sales thread and not here!!!
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post May 25 2006, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Xybirium @ May 25 2006, 06:22 AM)
I'm sorry if I rattled you but you just seemed to be experienced in these.  However, as I said before, me and all the rest of the thread readers will gain very much from your experience even if you are just a switches and routers guy.

Thanks again.
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Not a problem at all.

VoIP is a not a new thing for those already familiar with the video conferencing (using H.323) environment. It is a simple transition over to packetized voice network. The data network guy now has to learn and understand the old traditional circuit-switching PSTN to make it all work together.

With so many improvement has been done with SIP protocol (for call setup, directory, etc) today, many manufacturers making their ATAs, IP phones, IP-PBX, all have SIP capabilities, making it fairly easy to interface with one another with different vendors.

Having the global IP network (ie.Internet) all stitched all system together, it only make sense to use this network to transport voice as well (yeah, we all know it is best effort esp for those need to call overseas).

There are many concerns about VoIP, particularly in Security and Emergency Services.

Security: The IT network guys know this. The malwares/viruses that spread to your PC, this can happen to your IP-phones,IP-Based PBX. Your VoIP network is subject to same DDoS attacks that plague the IP network. Without proper planning, the voice network will go down with it. Other disaster issue is: Power outage. Traditional phone can still hear dial-tone. The IP-phones is dead if you don't implement PoE (Power over Ethernet) with PSTN trunk line backup.

Emergency Services: These are good questions to ask those newbie VoIP providers.
What does one (say a regular user) expect, when he/she picks up the phone and dial '999' in an emergency situation? Does emergency service (eg.police) know where you're calling from? Is your VoIP provider aware they're responsible to setup a call service to route your calls with all your info to the emergency service provider? Those are important things to consider before we migrate away from our traditional PSTN service.

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post May 26 2006, 04:29 AM

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hi guys, its good to have this thread. Many people/company penetrate on this VOIP recently for sving their bills.

i also involve a little since it can make money (if you really2 in the business). for now i'm searching for a good ATA that not too expensive for market. i guess china got a lot.

abbybody using ATA at home?






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post May 26 2006, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(thenobodies @ May 26 2006, 04:29 AM)
hi guys, its good to have this thread. Many people/company penetrate on this VOIP recently for sving their bills.

i also involve a little since it can make money (if you really2 in the business). for now i'm searching for a good ATA that not too expensive for market. i guess china got a lot.

abbybody using ATA at home?
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I am using Aztech 600EW ADSL Modem/Router and Linksys PAP2 ATA but I have not been able to configure it properly to work so far.

Previously I could make calls but it was scratchy and latency was quite bad plus echo. Now I don't even hear a ringing tone if I call the other party (e.g. my own handphone rings when I call through VOIP but I can't hear any tone using my ATA). If there is anybody who can help or point me to the proper website, I would be eternally grateful.
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QUOTE(Xybirium @ May 26 2006, 05:38 AM)
I am using Aztech 600EW ADSL Modem/Router and Linksys PAP2 ATA but I have not been able to configure it properly to work so far.

Previously I could make calls but it was scratchy and latency was quite bad plus echo.  Now I don't even hear a ringing tone if I call the other party (e.g. my own handphone rings when I call through VOIP but I can't hear any tone using my ATA).  If there is anybody who can help or point me to the proper website, I would be eternally grateful.
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Try setting up with free FWD or VoIPStunt accounts and call yourself using Phone to PC. If this works with no problem, then it must be your VOIP provider.

Anyway, if you're paying your VoIP service with the supported ATA device, your provider should be able help diagnose it as well. PM me if needing more help.

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post May 27 2006, 02:11 AM

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Can I use VOIP with an EDGE internet connection?
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post May 27 2006, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(Xybirium @ May 26 2006, 07:38 PM)
I am using Aztech 600EW ADSL Modem/Router and Linksys PAP2 ATA but I have not been able to configure it properly to work so far.

Previously I could make calls but it was scratchy and latency was quite bad plus echo.  Now I don't even hear a ringing tone if I call the other party (e.g. my own handphone rings when I call through VOIP but I can't hear any tone using my ATA).  If there is anybody who can help or point me to the proper website, I would be eternally grateful.
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when i was in asp,(autodialer system) that sort of things always happen. i was the technical dpartment. i hate hearing customer complaining about echo, no ringing tone when connected, no ringing on the phone, bla bla bla sometimes misdirection to air tawar and other places.

i check the dialers, its fine. then check with my network dpartment, the billing record, bla bla and the answer fine too. then we go to our termination partner, we found the faulty on them. sometime telekom also makes problem( they hide the issue coz worry we want to claim for rebet.)

I guess its the same with ata. the ata wont make any problem coz it doing its job detecting dtmf, transmitting bla bla. the termination partner also the same.but we using ISP as our lines for calls. i think the problem is there but i dont know how to config or do somthig to make it right.

correct me if im wrong
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got very good thread inside here ...

well voip is a good way to make call cheap ... (that is what we were told by the marketing side) actually it is the codec that make the most of VoIP sounding much more better than the old POTS phone ... but this is depending on how the network is set up ... if u have MPLS and u priotise the traffic to be voip 1st then maybe u will get a better QoS ... but that can only be done if you have the control all over the network including ur cpe (which have a capibility of ctrling ur trafic) then ur Edge routers ... then for ur core router ... ISP have to offer a SLA of maybe a standard & premium class of package that will cost more but can have a good SLA between ISP to ISPs ... so then we can ensure all is good along the way.

As for lantency... well to troubleshoot you have to see your lantency if the roundtrip is more than 300ms then it is very diff to use VoIP ... i am not sure what is the lantency with Jaring015 ... well as for calling pc to pstn the problem there is we cannot control the 2 network of IP and PSTN cloud ...

well that is only my opinion

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QUOTE(netfan @ May 27 2006, 12:38 AM)
Try setting up with free FWD or VoIPStunt accounts and call yourself using Phone to PC.  If this works with no problem, then it must be your VOIP provider.

Anyway, if you're paying your VoIP service with the supported ATA device, your provider should be able help diagnose it as well.  PM me if needing more help.
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I am actually using VoIPStunt but haven't tried free FWD yet. Previously, it worked fine. My mother used it to call my aunty in Australia and when I enquired about the quality, she said it was fine and didn't detect any difference from the normal POTS (and furthermore its free!!!)

As you said it may be because of the VoIP service provider or it could be my settings. In the meantime, I will try to troubleshoot it myself because for me, it would be a learning process. I'll PM you if I'm really desperate. Thanks again.
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QUOTE(thenobodies @ May 27 2006, 04:55 AM)
when i was in asp,(autodialer system) that sort of things always happen. i was the technical dpartment. i hate hearing customer complaining about echo, no ringing tone when connected, no ringing on the phone, bla bla bla sometimes misdirection to air tawar and other places.

i check the dialers, its fine. then check with my network dpartment, the billing record, bla bla and the answer fine too. then we go to our termination partner, we found the faulty on them. sometime telekom also makes problem( they hide the issue coz worry we want to claim for rebet.)

I guess its the same with ata. the ata wont make any problem coz it doing its job detecting dtmf, transmitting bla bla. the termination partner also the same.but we using ISP as our lines for calls. i think the problem is there but i dont know how to config or do somthig to make it right.

correct me if im wrong
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Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Keep it coming as we need everyone involved.

By the way, where can I read more about autodialers? I'm still sketchy on what it is and how it really works? e.g. can I attach it to my fixed line and how much it costs. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ May 27 2006, 02:11 AM)
Can I use VOIP with an EDGE internet connection?
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Maybe yes! With the right mobile phone and the right software. Lookup on Skype. I think they are trying to get more people to sign up (FREE)!

If you find any interesting websites, you can post it here so that all of us can learn something new.
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ May 27 2006, 08:44 AM)
got very good thread inside here ...

well voip is a good way to make call cheap ... (that is what we were told by the marketing side) actually it is the codec that make the most of VoIP sounding much more better than the old POTS phone ... but this is depending on how the network is set up ... if u have MPLS and u priotise the traffic to be voip 1st then maybe u will get a better QoS ... but that can only be done if you have the control all over the network including ur cpe (which have a capibility of ctrling ur trafic) then ur Edge routers ... then for ur core router ... ISP have to offer a SLA of maybe a standard & premium class of package that will cost more but can have a good SLA between ISP to ISPs ... so then we can ensure all is good along the way.

As for lantency... well to troubleshoot you have to see your lantency if the roundtrip is more than 300ms then it is very diff to use VoIP ... i am not sure what is the lantency with Jaring015 ... well as for calling pc to pstn the problem there is we cannot control the  2 network of IP and PSTN cloud ...

well that is only my opinion

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It really is good to see more people involved in this thread. I was also using Jaring015 previously. The latency I usually get on average is about 50 - 100ms. Same for TMNet.

I haven't been able to set my QoS settings in my router properly as yet as they don't seem to be good guidelines on that. I even printed the manual for Aztech 600EW and after reading through it, still could not understand it properly.

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Guyz, I don't know if you you noticed the VoipStunt has a hidden clause:-
"Max 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days. Unused free minutes cannot be taken to the following week(s). If limit is exceeded, a minimal rate of 1ct/min will be charged (as shown in the VoipStunt software)."
Directly below the website..
What do you guyz think? Is it possible we'd be charged somehow?


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QUOTE(LynxLee @ May 27 2006, 10:05 PM)
Guyz, I don't know if you you noticed the VoipStunt has a hidden clause:-
"Max 300 minutes per week of free calls, measured over the last 7 days. Unused free minutes cannot be taken to the following week(s). If limit is exceeded, a minimal rate of 1ct/min will be charged (as shown in the VoipStunt software)."
Directly below the website..
What do you guyz think? Is it possible we'd be charged somehow?
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Yup, I noticed it a few days ago. Must be their service is getting so popular that they have to do that. However, if you always make lots of calls to fixed lines, even in Malaysia, I still think it's worth it. Where in the world can you get to make "free calls" of 4800 minutes at only 10Euros or 0.002Euros or approximately 1sen per minute?

Oh... by the way, iTalk Mobile is offering 15sen/minute call to Malaysian Mobile numbers from fixed line (business/home line & payphone) and 25sen/minute from mobile line (using missed call back).

I'm just wondering if any other companies in Malaysia can beat that, but then again, it's TM.
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QUOTE(rattan @ May 24 2006, 04:45 PM)
recently i had this problem when trying to make conference call.. i can call 1 person no prob... when i conference an automated voice says " Your account is in use, thank you"

Whats going on ?
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anyone know why isit so ? before this i can make conference call up to 4 people... whats wrong uh ? anyone get this problem ?
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QUOTE(Xybirium @ May 27 2006, 06:47 PM)
Thank you for sharing your experience with us.  Keep it coming as we need everyone involved.

By the way, where can I read more about autodialers?  I'm still sketchy on what it is and how it really works?  e.g. can I attach it to my fixed line and how much it costs.  Any feedback would be very much appreciated.
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Autodialer is a past now, i think you dont hv to look 4 it anymore coz it not giving saving or lower rates as far as VOIP. What happen to company that using autodialer now? they will be push to use totally VOIP or they will be left behind. (my english is suck. haha)

A picture of autodialer on single line. meaning ur home fixed line.
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A picture of branches using ATA from VOIP Provider for calls, bla bla bla...
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i'm still newbie for voip, dont even hv account for 015.. u guys here already own it and make conference call.

i'll use what u guys recommend. then i wanna buy an ata for trial and business. its worth invest in VOIP

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anyone want to use VOIP for one day.... unlimited calls... call anywhere... how long u want... RM 100 for 24 hours.

Well this is e-voice ( my personal account), what u do is, bank in RM 100 to my account and I will give you the username and password for you to start calling... after 24 hours ill change the password. Simple... hehe... anyone want to try PM me or email me rattan77(at)gmail.com


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QUOTE(rattan @ May 27 2006, 11:44 PM)
anyone know why isit so ? before this i can make conference call up to 4 people... whats wrong uh ? anyone get this problem ?
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which provider u r using ??? maybe they block the conf cos of missused (hint) cool.gif

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