Well yes to get back their ROI they must charge more but the consumers will care less & will juz complains ... as 4 us who understand I think that it is not the issue of paying more or less but the end product which is satisfactory ..
well as we know not all China made product is not good right ... but in order to make it cheap so we have to give consumers cheap stuff ...
I think WiMax will have the same issue ... the last mile will be the old a/b or g since I think consumers will not invest in buying not cheap WiMax adaptor & will complaint on the lousy product ... well just my 2 cent

cruzzmz : In a way you made your point.

Wanted to ask this a long time ago, if we get a local DID number, isit possible to hook up a fax machine to the ATA and receive fax just like normal PSTN ? Anyone know, I know its a tough question, anyone can provide me some details will be great.

Thanks mates, you guys been great.

Fax machine not working very well with VOIP.. G729 codec using 8kbps which lower than then fax 9.6kbps. G711 64kbps sometime working and sometime not.. Depend on VOIP quality.. usually there will always got packet loss when using udp especially on multiple hop.. Unless you provider support T38 codec which specially make for fax transmission..

yup aneip is right ... most of voip provider is using either g.711 or 729 which does not support faxing .... sad to say if u want to fax u have to use the old pstn line

wow... its sad they never tought of this.... maybe soon..

search around.. there are couple of service providers selling IP FAX services. Dedicated for fax.

nocar : I want a local DID number... which very few providers hv it now... anyway i think ill stick to the conventienal way of faxing...

er.. what do you mean by 'local DID number'? Telco normally provide the DID number if you subscribe PRI from them to hook up yor PABX - not many just a few block only. But now, the BB Phone provider using SIP phone also provides numbers for call-back purposes - they get it form telco that is 'willing' to provide the numbers with a fee of course. try kautim with them laa..

Off topic...

Malaysian scientist to patent hydroxene to power motorcars

A car that runs on water and petrol? That would be a breakthrough technology in these times of escalating fuel prices. And one man says it can be done.

Dr Halim Mohammed Ali, 40, claims he can reduce fuel consumption by half with the Hydrogen Fuel Technology (HFT) or hydroxene.

Water molecules are split into hydrogen and oxygen through high compression nano-technology before being pumped into the fuel line, he said.

"The new fuel mixture of petrol or diesel, hydrogen and oxygen is then injected into the engine where combustion takes place," he said at the launch of hybrid cars by a dealer here.

Halim, who has a research centre in Putrajaya, said that he first patented hydroxene four years ago and would be re-filing the patent in the next two months.

He said that although he has received offers to sell the technology, some offers amounting to US$26 million (Bt988 million), he had no intention of letting foreign parties get hold of it.

As simple as it sounds, Halim is quick to add that the technology is difficult to copy, as it has a "secret recipe" which very few people know about.

Halim, who has a doctorate in Physics from Birmingham University, said over 12 million rinngit (Bt125 million) had been spent on hydroxene research and development in the last four years.

Halim said the technology had been tested on some 200 Proton cars, as well as on a vehicle used by Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

The Star

Asia News Network

Johor Baru, Malaysia

rattan:

What's FoIP?
FoIP (pronounced as separate letters) Short for fax over Internet Protocol, the technology that enables the internetworking of fax machines with a packet-based network. Using FoIP, a fax is transmitted via the Internet rather than the traditional method of sending faxes via the telephone line. Using FoIP, the digital data from the fax machine is separated into packets for transmission (as opposed to the traditional method of converting the fax data into analog to be sent over the PSTN). The digital data requires less bandwidth than the analog data, so FoIP is more efficient than analog faxing.

FoIP is the next logical step to VoIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol), a technology that allows almost everyone with a broadband internet connection to use it as a low-cost phone line. In VoIP your voice is converted to data packets that are sent throught the Internet (providing huge savings since it doesn't use the PSTN - Public Switched Telephone Network) and converted back to audio on the receiving end.

VoIP is everywhere and has turned into a multi-billion industry, so the next step will be faxing over the Internet.

rattan:

Would you be:-
a) sending a lot of faxes OR
b) receiving a lot of faxes?

I read an article a few weeks ago on FoIP but can't remember where. Have you tried connecting a fax machine to your ATA and tried faxing something something somewhere? Who knows, it might work!

A good article on FoIP is at http://www.soft-switch.org/foip.html

Happy reading and I'm very sure you can find a workaround.

This post has been edited by Xybirium: Aug 22 2006, 09:52 PM

Xybirium nice info I will look into that also ... but what codec that it uses T.38 ?? ... also how bout fax server will it work wz VoIP ??? anyone have tried it ???

Xybirium : Thank you mate that was really helpful. I will be receiving and also sending out faxes on regular basis. Not much, but also to create the most common facility in a office (fax, phone, computer etc etc)

Just thought of something...

I don't have a fax machine but if I connect my 56K modem to my ATA and then using voipstunt; fax something out (using fax software), do you guys think it would work?

A bit lazy to try it out now but if anybody does try it out, please let us all know.

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Xybirium : Thanks for sharing... I think this product is very new... no marketing done yet... sounds interesting... im checking it out

if only they able to forward to SIP phone.. then we can have local DID.

I can't seem to find any rates which are cheaper than TM's. If anybody does find better rates; please kindly share with us. Main use would probably be for calling to mobiles. Cheapest so far is iTalk at RM0.15/min from fixed line to mobile.

Xybirium : I did not find any... still iTalk is the cheapest....

Yea... Love it or hate it; they are still the cheapest because they own everything from top to bottom.

Off topic:

Has anyone ever heard of e-sms from e-pay. It is a reload mobile coupon business. I can't seem to get enough information from their website about how to start and the cost. I'm quite sure I can do sales of around RM3000/mth if the commission is high enough.