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post Aug 16 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Aug 12 2013, 02:12 PM)
Wanna minta tunjuk ajar sifu sifu barb here about my barb. Please refer to the link.notworthy.gif

My Noob Barb

So my question is:

1. Is SOJ recommended for my barb? Coz usually he can cut normal mobs like vege but need a bit time to bring down elites. hmm.gif

2. But if I put on a SOJ my dps will drop like 20K~35K. Is it worth to exchange 30% of extra damage to elite for so much dps?

3. I'm thinking of boosting my dps to 300K, what gear should I change? (I don't wan Inna pants as it will greatly reduce my EHP and DEF)

4. how much more def I can sacrifice to bosst my dps? I've trying to buy a amulet which can boost my dps to 286K something and + my hp to 56k but -0.7% def. is it ok?

5. I've tried to play my barb with rend/HOTA build. But I've used to play my own build too much, so which skill I can change to HOTA?
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1. SOJ is always BIS for a barb. However, are you killing white mobs for loots only? Because I see that you're not using HOTA/WW/Sprint in D3up. If you focus mainly on white mobs, then SOJ is not necessary for your build.

2. Yes, SOJ always out-dps any rare ring for elites killing. You should focus on your HDps (Hota) or Tdps (Tornadoes) and Edps (Elites) but not paper DPS. Paper dps is meaningless for a barb and many other classes.

3. You are correct, Innas pant is considered a very bad pant for super gg barb (With very very huge budget). GG barb should always have DD or rare pants for so much higher DPS and/or EHP. The good thing for Innas pant is that it has 12% MS and 8-9% Ias so you offload them from other slots. However, if you have very huge budget, DD (with 2 socket) or rare is the way to go. (for exmaple: getting 12% MS on IC, then gg IAS CC CD ring). To get to 300k DPS with budget, I will recommend crafting route, you can easily get 200+ str / 200+ vit / ar on crafted shoulder (always craft VIT shoulder, it has the potential for 100 more stats (str shoulders = max 330str, max 200 vit= 530 stats) (vita shoulders, max str 300, max vit 330 =630 stats) than STR shoulder), and 200-300 str CC CD amulet. You're at 1.6 Ias, which is totally fine to drop that Ias on your amulet and replace it with a crafted one. You can get 100+ str on your IK. You don't need Tough as Nail, change it to Brawler or Berserker rage. 6000+ armor as a barb is totally fine with 450+ resist. As long as you have 600k+ EHP you will be fine. 550K EHP to not get one-shotted by fallen maniac.

4. You shouldn't look at your HP. what important is your EHP (with mitigation calculated). I don't use d3up, i use d3rawr and 600k+ EHP in d3rawr is fine. IMO you shouldn't feel forced to get any mitigation affix (vit/all res/armor) on your offensive slot (glove, weapon, rings, amulet) unless your budget is huge. It's easier to upgrade this way too so you don't lose EHP when you upgrade. Get EHP elsewhere, like IK chest, Shoulder (huge EHP), pants etc. You will have a more balanced barb at the end, and upgrade will be easier and better when you have more budget.

5. A) You don't need cleave, you don't need gound stomp. Change it to HOTA, and sprint-run like the wind. More movement = more kills in a given amount of time.
B) Change BR-BS to BR-into the fray (so you gain fury back when you crit, it's standard). However, BS is workable with high mob density patch, but into the fray will be more comfortable to maintain WOtb.
C) Change overpower Revel to overpower Killing spree, 10% crit so that you can hit 90+% CC with HOTA.
D) You can get -4/5HOTA fury cost SOJ to keep your HOTA uptime, you don't need cold SOJ because skorn does not proc fear.
E) Put ruby into your skorn for more Rend damage (white mobs), or put emerald if you're HOTA.

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post Aug 17 2013, 06:24 AM

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QUOTE(lace @ Aug 17 2013, 05:53 AM)
looking for mempo n lacuni for barbie
wat stats shud i look for?
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Mempo and Lacuni are all dependent on your budget. Go cc if your budget is huge, with as many main stats as you can afford (190+ str on mempo / str,vit or all res on lacuni).

The only thing I can think of is the IAS to hit your DT breakpoint, as long as 8% mempo and/or lacuni does not gimp your breakpoints (2.23/2.51/2.86) with your setup, you're fine.
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post Aug 17 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Aug 17 2013, 01:55 PM)
Thanks for all the advice. laugh.gif I'm still trying to adept for HOTA build and I like it pretty much. thumbup.gif Just the difference is I'll need to run sometimes if got too crowded. With former build I can withstand tons of normal mobs but longer time to kill elite. Now I can kill elite fast but when comes to tons of mobs, I'll need to retreat depends on situation.  sweat.gif As for the SOJ thingy, I'll think about it later. No SOJ doesn't mean you can't kill elites. biggrin.gif Actually I don't like skills such as barbs WW and TR for monks, I dunno how the US players play but right here at Asia I hate these kind of barbs. They just spin around and I don't see they deal large amount of damages. Anyway, there ain't no prefect build. If you wan to withstand tons of mobs you'll need longer time to bring down elites and I you wanna kill elite fast, you'll have problems with crowded mobs...... sweat.gif
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You shouldn't retreat from normal mobs bro. WW is mainly for passing through mobs, not for damage. DWWW damage mainly comes from Sprint: run like the wind. Try this: WW into mobs, hit OP:KS first (+10% crit for your rend), then rend, pretty much all white mobs are dead if not half dead, ww around then rend again if they are still alive. "Spinning barb" (DWWW) if gear properly can have 2-3m damage per second. And you know you can use rare ring for white mobs, then change to SOJ when it comes to elites. But it's too much hassle tho. smile.gif Anyway, you should be able to kill white mobs in like 2-3 second and they shouldn't even harm you. Try to get more "feel" for the build and you will be better.
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post Aug 17 2013, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(shephard86 @ Aug 17 2013, 09:58 PM)
Okay, since you say cold SOJ is not a necessary for me, so is this good enough?
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Good. Enjoy your Hota Spam, remember to use OPKS to get 90-100% Hota crit chance. nod.gif
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post Aug 17 2013, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Aug 17 2013, 11:26 PM)
ar 70+
cc 6%
str 80+
vit  80+
lacuni looking for how much gold?
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billion(s)
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post Aug 18 2013, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Aug 18 2013, 10:07 PM)
All gears are pretty much straight forward main stats upgrade depending on how deep is your pocket, i.e. CC on mempo, more str and vit on gears.

Only advice is you don't need 3 IK set, 2 set is enough for the all ress bonus. So you can either drop IK glove for a crafted glove (cc/ias/cd), or a more complex way is to drop IK belt and change it to WH. In this case you will need another source of LS, either from bloodthirst or on weapon. So go either way you prefer.

In your current gear and weapon choice, you're 1% IAS short of 2.86 Bp on your mainhand and 14% short of offhand while in WotB mode. It depends on how you want to gear from here. You can get 9% IAS Innas pant and you will hit that additional 1% and drop lacuni for crafted bracer, or buy a 9% lacuni. However, if you plan to use SOJ, then you need ias on your amulet or get an Witching hour.

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post Aug 18 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Aug 18 2013, 11:07 PM)
inna pants looking for wat stats?
lacuni looking for wat statS?
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Inna's pant is personal preference and budget (8 or 9% ias). There are 3 ways to go (note that innas pant always come with dex):

DPS route: Str + Vit Combo (max = 100 str 100 vit)

EHP route:
a) Double vit roll (200 vit max)
b) All res (80 max)

CC Lacuni is easy, Str + Vit / All res, or 3 together (no double roll on stat), see what fits you and always, your budget.
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post Aug 20 2013, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Aug 19 2013, 10:59 PM)
str 70+
vit 70+
ar  70+
cc 6%
can find this roll?
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Only 3 on server from D3Progress. You need to pay a lot for it.
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post Nov 12 2014, 02:34 PM

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There's a thread on barb forum using F+R rings with reduction cost gear (always max fury even if you spam ss non stop), 180m crit ss build.

Basically F+R rings let your SS do 50% more damage when you're at full fury.

Rule of thumb for D3, jewellery slots = all out damage, the best you can do with jewellery is to re-roll str to other stats that you want.

For example, amulet with elmental dmg%, CHD, CC, Soc. SOJ with Elemental dmg%, elite, CDR/CHD/CC, Soc.

edit: thread here. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/14609081478

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post Jan 9 2015, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Jan 9 2015, 12:45 PM)
How to play Barb is level 35+ GR group? Most of the time I have seen very well equiped barbarian keep dying all the way even with not so nasty elite affix.. The charge build looks boring
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in current patch, group barb usually go with
1) physical build for running ahead the team to clear trash (battle rage bloodshed is physical dmg)

for elites:
2) run an immunity amulet (fire or lightning immunity)
3) skip or kill elite depending on your immunity amulet

for surviving:
4) pride of cassius + ignore pain (ignorance is bliss Rune) and spam battle rage, easily give you 100k+ life per battle rage. (make sure your paragon's cost reduction has 0 point and no cost reduction gear)
5) use ancient parthan defender bracer to reduce the damage with all the mob freezed around you

for G.rift guardian:
6) let other class deal with it, charge occasionally and use berserker + cota on cooldown together.

for current solo meta... trial keys farming with your DH or DH friends, conduit and zombie hunt... smile.gif

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post Jan 9 2015, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Jan 9 2015, 07:31 PM)
not much build diversity at the moment
charge build is widely use
other than than is gonna be quake barb
not much hota barbies nw adyas
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yes not much build diversity and it will be worse when they introduce 6 piece new set.. because you don't have room for other set. oh well, it's their design, what can we do? heh.
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post Jan 9 2015, 08:43 PM

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the new set is WW/rend oriented.

http://diablo.blizzpro.com/wp-content/uplo...rbarian-Set.png

well, with life steal gone, i dont think ww rend can survive good in GR.
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post Jan 9 2015, 08:48 PM

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1.08 we have at least 3-6% lifesteal, that's how we survive. we cannot survive with ww without lifesteal now. heh.
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post Jan 9 2015, 08:53 PM

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life regen and life on hit won't cut it.. because those are primary affix... and we have more important affix to roll with. unless they are in secondary affix.. then maybe.

ya barba is nerf because we can no longer drag mobs with us next patch (reakors). in short, the more mob we gather, the stronger our AOE is. since we can no longer drag mob, our dmg falls alot.
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post Jan 9 2015, 10:02 PM

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there's a physical ww build in official forum, check it out, you just need immortal king set (basic).
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post Jan 9 2015, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Jan 9 2015, 11:39 PM)
physical ww this patch... you just need a few basic item to get started. it's very efficient in t6 farm, fast and smooth, vanilla feel. smile.gif

yeah thats the correct link.

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post Jan 10 2015, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(lace @ Jan 10 2015, 12:24 AM)
how issit compared to lightning ww
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physical is the best choice, because all your main damage dealer are physical runes. for example run like the wind, call of the ancient, pain enhancer gem etc.
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post Jan 10 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 10 2015, 12:45 PM)
my setup is OK for T6 (im not play GR much btw).. no leg gems in my setup...also dont want waste my dices to add socket to weapon..

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sabenar...6/hero/30346017

urgently need better IK chest and SoJ (physical).. my single target dps in my setup is doh.gif
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Current GR just too much fishing for barb if you want to compete. shakehead.gif do you follow ww breakpoints?

you're dual wielding:

ATTACKS PER SECOND - FRAME LENGTH - TICK FREQUENCY - # OF TORNADO TICKS

0.86957-0.90909 aps - 22 frames per tick - 2.73 ticks per second - 9 ticks
0.90910-0.95238 aps - 21 frames per tick - 2.86 ticks per second - 9 ticks
0.95239-1.00000 aps - 20 frames per tick - 3.00 ticks per second - 9 ticks
1.00001-1.05263 aps - 19 frames per tick - 3.16 ticks per second - 10 ticks
1.05264-1.11111 aps - 18 frames per tick - 3.33 ticks per second - 10 ticks
1.11112-1.17647 aps - 17 frames per tick - 3.53 ticks per second - 11 ticks
1.17648-1.25000 aps - 16 frames per tick - 3.75 ticks per second - 12 ticks
1.25001-1.33333 aps - 15 frames per tick - 4.00 ticks per second - 12 ticks
1.33334-1.42857 aps - 14 frames per tick - 4.29 ticks per second - 13 ticks
1.42858-1.53846 aps - 13 frames per tick - 4.62 ticks per second - 14 ticks
1.53847-1.66666 aps - 12 frames per tick - 5.00 ticks per second - 15 ticks
1.66667-1.81818 aps - 11 frames per tick - 5.45 ticks per second - 17 ticks
1.81819-2.00000 aps - 10 frames per tick - 6.00 ticks per second - 18 ticks
2.00001-2.22222 aps - 9 frames per tick - 6.67 ticks per second - 20 ticks
2.22223-2.50000 aps - 8 frames per tick - 7.50 ticks per second - 23 ticks
2.50001-2.85714 aps - 7 frames per tick - 8.57 ticks per second - 26 ticks
2.85715-3.33333 aps - 6 frames per tick - 10.0 ticks per second - 30 ticks
3.33334-4.00000 aps - 5 frames per tick - 12.0 ticks per second - 36 ticks
4.00001-5.00000 aps - 4 frames per tick - 15.0 ticks per second - 45 ticks
5.00001-6.66666 aps - 3 frames per tick - 20.0 ticks per second - 60 ticks
6.66667-10.00000 aps - 2 frames per tick - 30.0 ticks per second - 90 ticks
10.00001-20.00000 aps - 1 frame per tick - 60.0 ticks per second - 180 ticks

and you really need those legendary gem to help you, especially pain enchancer, taeguk and maybe trap if you have 3 sockets.


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post Jan 10 2015, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 10 2015, 03:37 PM)
leveling gems is the most annoying for me sweat.gif  and not easy to get 2 good rings and amulet with socket.. WW barb is very good for speed bounty.. and again..Im not really care to compete in GR leaderboard.. too much RnG and pain..
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yeah i feel you.. i will just level my gems to 25 then leave GR forever biggrin.gif but i definately will try GR next patch, not so extreme fishing anymore.

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post Jan 10 2015, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Jan 10 2015, 06:06 PM)
ok thanx for the build input bro saber
i try to switch
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wats the best weapon for physical ww build?
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furnace, heartslaughter 2h

sun keeper + doombringer 1h dual wield

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