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post Apr 5 2015, 10:26 PM

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unfortunately barb still lacks good single target skills.. i will say cota if you want one, and mirinae for extra std.
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post Apr 6 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Apr 6 2015, 08:52 AM)
is that u shihong? waklu hahahhaa
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ya bro xD rclxms.gif

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post Apr 6 2015, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Apr 6 2015, 03:41 PM)
got a crappy lk glove edi from kadala today.. keep gambling for ancient/trifecta?

all my lk except belt was from her..

tonight we farm for another ancient BK sword heehe
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grats bro, just gamble whatever piece you missing. trifecta glove or cc chd vit is good also. if you manage to get a good piece, roll secondary for chance to stun, couple with vaxo for extra std. or HF amulet for good passive, many choices now. thumbup.gif not sure if i'm free tonight, pm you in game if i'm on.

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post Apr 8 2015, 05:26 AM

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John Yang @_JohnYang ยท 35 mins 35 minutes ago
PSA: Mortick's Brace was removed from Patch 2.2 and will not drop.

Don't waste your BS on bracer for now.
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post Apr 9 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Apr 9 2015, 01:29 PM)
WotW or IK set ?
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for ww build, currently highest clear is gr 53 using 5ww+3ik. but if you want a "best" ww build in 2.2, then we will need to let the dust settle until those GR kaki get their optimal gear and rift setup.

anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRAagg02s8
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post Apr 9 2015, 07:14 PM

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It's just day 2, hard to say. anyway, gr 53 waste+ik video:

http://www.twitch.tv/zangdar72/c/6505315

edit: if you want to push the leaderboard as far as you can, reakor will still be the number 1 choice. unless something changes for ww. happy farming! smile.gif

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post Apr 10 2015, 10:39 AM

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later they all reakor then put on ww gear.. haha. but yeah waste+ik is a big thing now. wait for a few more days then we will know. smile.gif
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post Apr 10 2015, 12:40 PM

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grats! time to venture into the 5x rift! thumbup.gif
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post Apr 10 2015, 05:28 PM

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ya.. family night. ^^
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post Apr 11 2015, 02:54 AM

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nice! let see how much waste5+3ik can push~ rclxms.gif
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post Apr 11 2015, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(lace @ Apr 10 2015, 11:39 PM)
ww+ik is definately good for t6
but i doubt it for high lvl grift...
many ppl still stands for reakor in high lvl grift...
any comments boys?
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currently the gear that everyone uses in high GR (50+) is waste5+ik3, it's the balance of dmg output to clear high gr and damage mitigation. Reakor has the potential if one can fish hard enough, but i guess everyone is tired of that playstyle.
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post Apr 11 2015, 02:16 PM

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casual group play sure can, you can mitigate via cota-together as one too.
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Grats rick! off topic, can you give me some luck on ikbb? haha.. jk. grats again!
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post Apr 12 2015, 09:18 AM

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if you ww, it's either IKBB or BKO. yes 5 pieces waste, 3 pieces IK + rorg is what most higher gr players use now.
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post Apr 12 2015, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Apr 12 2015, 05:01 PM)
ikbb?
bko?
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ikbb = immortal king's boulder breaker
bko = bul-kathos oath
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post Apr 13 2015, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Apr 13 2015, 09:01 AM)
shihong

mari season, lai lai haha
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haha, not enough time commit to season like those streamers.. already 300 400 plvl shakehead.gif

QUOTE(huoshenfeng124 @ Apr 13 2015, 09:41 AM)
guys the 6ps waste buff for the dust devils any good ?
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it's very good, hit like a truck. waste set is like a moving tank, strong, steady but a bit slow pace for me. also remember not to choose dust devil as your ww rune if you use waste set, you can choose another one like blood funnel or wind shear for t6 or lower gr because you kill the mob so fast you can't regen enough fury to keep up the pace. laugh.gif

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post Apr 13 2015, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Apr 13 2015, 03:23 PM)
i oso casual ma.. just play for fun  thumbup.gif
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haha.. come back to NS la bro, your buddy f3do miss you so much!

QUOTE(cherries @ Apr 13 2015, 04:34 PM)
So what other ring should use? soj? Coe? Skull grasp? Unity?
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Skull grasp is not good because the additional ww damage it provides is of additive side. Besides, most of your damage comes from dust devil, not whirlwind.

Unity is ok in 5ww+3ik setup, but you will lose a lot of damage using unity in IK5+BKO setup because focus + restraint makes your damage 1.5*1.5 = 2.25 times higher. Without F&R IK5+BKO has very low damage output.

COE is nice if you have more than 1 element in your build. For example if you run lightning cota in your build, then COE will benefit you more due to more uptime on COE - lightning for cota and physical for dust devil. Barb has 4 element, so if you have a 200% coe, it means overall an 50% damage boost to all element. To compare to SOJ:

Stone of jordan :
2 primary rolls ( crit + socket would be optimal )
20% Elemental damage
30% Elite damage

Convention of Elements
4 primary rolls ( Crit chance, damage, socket, mainstat /AS )
50% element damage.

Good DPS SOJ = 20% elemental, 30% elite, CHD/CHC, OS

Good COE = Main stat, CHC (guarantee), CHD, OS

You lose 30% elite damage for 30% elemental damage with additional 2 primary affix.

And.. thats is for 1 element, if you use multiple element in your build, it's a clear winner.

Cota do their own thing, you ww all the time. You dont need to track this ring other then maybe rend.

COE>SOJ.

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post Apr 14 2015, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 14 2015, 01:03 PM)
Failed in the synergy of the skill.
The fun of it.

If you played the old WW before, you found the synergy of skills (sprint-WW) and resource (i.e.fury generation) matched perfectly.

Now the WW build is like D2. Everything is "automatic". It lacks the fun.
Let me give you few example.
2-piece IK and you will not run short of resource (fury), generally.
You close your eyes and WW and yuo'll find you spawn tornadoes more than sweeping wind-cyclone monk and energy twister Wizard.
You don't sprint any more. You don't need to sprint any more. Use Bul-Khatos 's mighty weapon set.

The whole game play is not quite right. There is no synergy and it's  like playing D1 and D2.

It shows how shallow the current development team is.
Lack of vision. Lack of synergy.
What the current team now is keep boosting damage output.
For example, ancient weapon. You will get 20% damage boost generally.
Keep buffing damage output. Now we see 1-2billions damage per hit.
Blizzard might as well slap 50,000% damage bonus on IK set right in the beginning. Get what I mean?

Now recall back what Blizz did.
Removed synchronisation of sprint & WW. And now they put back sprint-WW and tons of tornadoes but all generated by gears.
Seriously, that feeling sucks. 

Jay Wilson double it.
But the current team sextuple (look at number of tornadoes created).

Jay Wilson was a genius.
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Agree.

In Vanilla, you bash 3 times, then keep holding ww (as long as ww doesn't stop, you gain permanent damage increase from bash:punish, then you run like the wind for movement speed, main damage output and to dump fury. Use BR:into the fray to regain your fury when you crit, to regain more fury, you use OP:killing spree for another 8% crit. When you gain fury, you add more time into WOTB for perma zerker. They sync with each other.

It's true that the new ww has 0 synergy in skills. Because set items took care of that, so our skill slots are filled with offensive (BR) and defensive (WC/lightning cota) skill - to make more damage and take less damage, not to sync.

JW is indeed a genius. And props to Dino, the originator of WW/RLTW. rclxms.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkXf1aR2LXA

QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 14 2015, 05:25 PM)
me want HOTA barb back!!! HOTA.. HOTA.. HOTA.. Rend.. HOTA.. HOTA.. HOTA.. rend.. like a Bawse.. hehehe
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Your problem will be solved by Mortick Bracer!.. Wait.. Nvm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRAagg02s8


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post Apr 15 2015, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(PirateKing @ Apr 15 2015, 01:11 AM)
Hi guys,

Im abit curious..while spinning WW+Dust Devil, did weapon damage type/element also effect the damage output of WW? Havn't try before..but need your opinion. I just start s3 2days ago and dont have ramaladni gift yet. What I should reroll to once I got ramaladni.

Yeh i know i should get bulkathos weapon set or IK boulder breaker..but haven't found em yet. my current blackguard pretty shiok d.

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weapon damage type won't affect your dmg output. element do. So if you use WW+dust devil rune, you can stack physical for more dmg.

another example is if you use Waste 6 bonus, since you get dust devil rune automatically and you can choose another ww rune, if you use WW+windsheer rune then you will have higher ww+dd dmg output by stacking lightning. It means dust devil element type is according to your ww rune selection.

WW% on items also incease ww AND DD dmg. But skull grasp does not (for DD). So ideally you want to roll WW dmg on boots, and helm only if you can afford to lose 23% life gem on helm (Str/VIT/CC/WW no socket).

for your weapon, i will roll away RCR to socket, then roll it to 10% dmg when you have a gift.

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post Apr 15 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(PirateKing @ Apr 15 2015, 02:02 PM)
Thanks for advice buddy. Here my link to my current char. Still working on to get better bracer. This bracer I use previously with Hota build.

Now Im using WW+WindShear cos still learning how to manage my fury. Always depleted most of the time. Change to Wind Shear and take passive Berserker Rage instead of Weapon Master/Bloodthirst. So I better find 1 bracer with +lightning damage% to more WW damage output right?

And I heard Asp also increase damage of Dust Devil? So I decide to try on Asp on glove instead of CD.
Dont bother my helm..not enough mats to reroll till get max WW.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Plusmin...0/hero/60405526
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I guess you're doing speed farming? For speed farming yeah, mobs die too fast to generate enough fury. You don't need berserker rage passive because as you said you're never full or almost full fury. I will take fury cota, wind sheer, unforgiving, weapon mastery (if you use mighty weapon, if you don't, try animosity), hexing pant (if you have one) and change templar 4th skill to the one that generate fury. Also use warcry - charge if you're speed farming. Overpower - momentum generate fury too but it's not very reliable. Yes if you're using windsheer most of the time go for lightning damage bracer.

ASPD doesn't increase the "damage" of your ww and DD, it just makes them hit more often / more ticks, so more damage, but not in the sense of increasing the "raw damage".

These are the breakpoints for WW and DD:

WW
aps: 0.7 | tps: 2.1429
aps: 0.71429 | tps: 2.2222
aps: 0.74075 | tps: 2.3077
aps: 0.76924 | tps: 2.4000
aps: 0.80001 | tps: 2.5000
aps: 0.83334 | tps: 2.6087
aps: 0.86957 | tps: 2.7273
aps: 0.9091 | tps: 2.8571
aps: 0.95239 | tps: 3.0000
aps: 1.00001 | tps: 3.1579
aps: 1.05264 | tps: 3.3333
aps: 1.11112 | tps: 3.5294
aps: 1.17648 | tps: 3.7500
aps: 1.25001 | tps: 4.0000
aps: 1.33334 | tps: 4.2857
aps: 1.42858 | tps: 4.6154
aps: 1.53847 | tps: 5.0000
aps: 1.66667 | tps: 5.4545
aps: 1.81819 | tps: 6.0000
aps: 2.00001 | tps: 6.6667
aps: 2.22223 | tps: 7.5000
aps: 2.50001 | tps: 8.5714
aps: 2.85715 | tps: 10.0000
aps: 3.33334 | tps: 12.0000
aps: 4.00001 | tps: 15.0000
aps: 5.00001 | tps: 20.0000
aps: 6.66667 | tps: 30.0000

DD
aps: 0.7 | tps: 1.4286
aps: 0.71429 | tps: 1.4634
aps: 0.73171 | tps: 1.5000
aps: 0.75001 | tps: 1.5385
aps: 0.76924 | tps: 1.5789
aps: 0.78948 | tps: 1.6216
aps: 0.81082 | tps: 1.6667
aps: 0.83334 | tps: 1.7143
aps: 0.85715 | tps: 1.7647
aps: 0.88236 | tps: 1.8182
aps: 0.9091 | tps: 1.8750
aps: 0.93751 | tps: 1.9355
aps: 0.96775 | tps: 2.0000
aps: 1.00001 | tps: 2.0690
aps: 1.03449 | tps: 2.1429
aps: 1.07143 | tps: 2.2222
aps: 1.11112 | tps: 2.3077
aps: 1.15385 | tps: 2.4000
aps: 1.20001 | tps: 2.5000
aps: 1.25001 | tps: 2.6087
aps: 1.30435 | tps: 2.7273
aps: 1.36364 | tps: 2.8571
aps: 1.42858 | tps: 3.0000
aps: 1.50001 | tps: 3.1579
aps: 1.57895 | tps: 3.3333
aps: 1.66667 | tps: 3.5294
aps: 1.76471 | tps: 3.7500
aps: 1.87501 | tps: 4.0000
aps: 2.00001 | tps: 4.2857
aps: 2.14286 | tps: 4.6154
aps: 2.3077 | tps: 5.0000
aps: 2.50001 | tps: 5.4545
aps: 2.72728 | tps: 6.0000
aps: 3.00001 | tps: 6.6667
aps: 3.33334 | tps: 7.5000
aps: 3.75001 | tps: 8.5714
aps: 4.28572 | tps: 10.0000
aps: 5.00001 | tps: 12.0000
aps: 6.00001 | tps: 15.0000
aps: 7.50001 | tps: 20.0000

Pop Wotb, check your APS with 7% on glove and without, if it reaches a new significant breakpoint, you can go for it.

edit: Just check your gear, dont roll 7% on glove, go CHD, it's better. 7% is an option if you can roll vit to IAS. Else keep cc and chd.

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