QUOTE(Top Gun @ Jun 12 2013, 03:02 PM)
Malaysia stocks same price with Indonesia stocks? STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V132, Everyone Huat!
STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V132, Everyone Huat!
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Jun 12 2013, 03:05 PM
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Jun 12 2013, 03:28 PM
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DVM-OR
Buy Zero Sen Sell Zero Sen Zero Queue Need to say more? |
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Jun 12 2013, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 12 2013, 04:08 PM) For those who like charts... in summary... a big drop is coming soon... Where's the garam?I particularly like the term 'tired bull' in one of the slides. Despite popular opinion, I would not bet on a big drop. |
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Jun 12 2013, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jun 12 2013, 05:59 PM) if going down to average down, it is all about your money / cost management, how much extra $$ you want to put vs your capital. Think of the simplest reasons.If too little, if rebounds or bearish mode is over even crash is recovering, not much effecf to one's total wealth. if too much, some people may experience sleepless day because or over commitment. And I agree average up is harder, and personally think I will stay away from average up. Normally average up will be caught by short term rebound....if people do it too frequent, the person more likely to play timing the market, end up cut down loss when downturn. When going up, sell too early. When you buy a stock and the stock price goes down, what essentially has happened? Answer: You either buy the wrong stock or you buy at the wrong price. Either answer, your buying action was wrong and this is why the stock price moved down. Of course, one will say, I bought the correct stock. That stock is fundamentally strong. It fell cos..... err .... no luck. Maybe. But no matter what, you were wrong. Averaging down means you are buying more of your original mistake. Would you agree? Averaging up. You buy the stock, it goes up. Why? Right stock or the stock was bought at the right price. Or just plain lucky? But no matter what, you did something right. Averaging up means you are buying more of your original correct decision. But MANY would argue that they tend to lose money when they average up. Why? How come doing more (buying more) of a correct decision end up failing? Is this tactic wrong? How about asking if one was averaging up correctly? Simply adding up to a winning position and simply adding at any price is reckless and usually would fail. Me? I am a fan of averaging up. |
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Jun 12 2013, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 12 2013, 07:01 PM) Averaging up for me is difficult... only done it few times, end up not so good results. Got trapped a few times as well. Don't la masta here and there. In fact my average down produce better results.. maybe because i tend to buy fundamentally sound but slow stocks. So master.. what are your averaging up criteria? Me just having some time to share some opinions only. There are tons of reading materials on the net but I think one of the criteria is when you add up, you add up in small quantities, so that after adding up, your average cost doesn't jump up. Ya, you can't double up when you average up. |
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Jun 12 2013, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jun 12 2013, 07:58 PM) When I bought the stock, if the price going down, it doesn't matter if I saw the value at least will be times 5 of the current price after a decade. Like I said to gark, I am just sharing some opinions, that's all and what I am not here to argue what is right or wrong.For some, it could be interpret it is a wrong move, but for some it is opportunity. Different people see different thing, so I am not trying to argue which way is better. Timing no doubt is quite important, can improve one's performance, but the confidence, and the faith will to hold through bad situation is something I believed will deliver the return in the long run ( From investor perspective). I were wrong in short term, but I know I will be rich in long term. But one can say, what happen you also wrong in the long run...for example holding MAS share 10 years ago? This totally depends on the investor business foresight and the only one he can blame is himself. I know you're a trader, maybe a very outstanding trader. Averaging up is a really good tool for trend trading purpose. Myself is an average investor and probably very bad trader, I know I am a bad trend reader / Technical Reader, that's why I only stick to my game. For you, averaging up is feel more safer because that's your game plan, while mine different, I am comfortable with averaging down here. Nothing wrong or right here, Anyway, do you know that even a famous investor like Warren Buffet had averaged up on one of his best investments, Coke? And also for your info, I am not a market timer either. |
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Jun 12 2013, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jun 12 2013, 09:05 PM) sometimes.... i feel that buy in red, sell in green looks better..... I wouldn't know really since as you say I trade Ah Pek stocks. Macha so happy. |
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Jun 13 2013, 08:17 AM
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Jun 13 2013, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 12 2013, 10:05 PM) Haha... thanks xxxxx. ( Ya last time i average up by doubling tne bet... kena trapped. Hope I no bring you to Holland. QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jun 12 2013, 10:22 PM) How to earn money if not focus on timing / trend by averaging up? assume solely from trader perspective. foofoo and gark,Perhaps, you do not have to use the price factor or even charts to top up. For example, say you buy a share at 38 sen. Share is now trading at 70 sen. At first sight, topping up might be the last thing on your mind. You probably think of selling.... But what if... With the sharre consolidating at 70 sen, the company announces a brand new mega deal. A whole new deal which might see the company making big money. Would this 'fundamental' reason be good enough to convince you that the future is going to be very bright for this company? How about buy more shares of the stock? If yes, then why not 'average up' by adding a small 'portion' (try not to double up. You should have a solid reason to top up. It's as if you are new to this stock, never buy before and you feel that the current fundamentals is so compelling that you just want to buy. This is just a suggestion. LOL! And it's surely not a posting about white or black cats or even brown cats chasing after dogs. |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 10:55 AM) Boom more Boom more.. seems like the curse working siao... You calling me ah? Walaueh! Why this morning got so many talking like mahjong players liao! How come so auntie like? If buy shares lose money want to blame like Si Lai, please la, stay at home play mahjong la. |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 13 2013, 10:09 AM) Ah Boon, blow so much water, got tipsy today? Today blame game start and you want me to give you tipsy? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Jun 13 2013, 11:03 AM) Sorry yah.. for the insider news call... i will never give insider call again... Aiyoh!You the one that kena ah? Feel sorry for you. Anyway, the past few stocks you talked about have done really well. I was impressed lah. Do carry on la and you should ignore these Si Lai;s la. |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(LOWYAT3AB @ Jun 13 2013, 11:29 AM) No need to worry or panic about what Ben is going to do. You need to know that there are many Anti TA here.Still can find good shares to buy and sell in bear market. Technical charts will certainly help. So if you know TA is all about, it's like giving tips. Give the wrong TA or TA that the reader does not want to hear, you could ended being cursed like on a mahjong table. |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 11:41 AM) Got call you meh? I call the market to boom only. LOL!Mana tipsy... Today feng shui chart says.................. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 11:42 AM) Talking about me ah... i not anti TA.. just TA noob. Hehe... no la. You nice fella, me not talking about you. |
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Jun 13 2013, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 11:54 AM) Since you here.. can punt VIX options ah? Dunno... never punted before. Berita... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-11/t...ff-clients.html Yeah.. markets are rigged. |
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Jun 13 2013, 04:45 PM
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Everybody wants kaboom!
Market outlook also suggests kaboom! When kaboom! .... everybody wants to buy!!!! So how ah? Should I panic sell now? Wah.. here got millionaire tipsy ah? I like! |
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Jun 13 2013, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 04:57 PM) Earning growth worse than all... Yield investors where talk about earnings or earnings growth one. |
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Jun 13 2013, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 04:59 PM) I greedy 1.. I want both yield and earnings growth with low PE and below book value... LOL!... that's why cannot find anything to buy... You like low PE meh? Question. When Buffett invested in Coke for the first time in 1988 (or 89.. |
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Jun 13 2013, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2013, 05:03 PM) Heh.. i still like low PE mah.. as long not those who got zero growth one lar. LOL! I know you do and this is why must kacau. Tan Chong whacked APM by how much last year? Tan Chong high PE. APM low PE. |
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