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 Suggestion - Upgrade/Sell/Addon my gaming rig?, if new budget 3.5k / upgrade 1.5-2k

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chocobo7779
post Jun 11 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Cable707 @ Jun 11 2013, 03:10 PM)
If you're not going 1440p,2GB will be enuf ATM..tryout the new Zotac GTX770 AMP! Edition laa.. brows.gif
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CyntrixTech has 'em... brows.gif
RowanPaladin
post Jun 11 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:03 PM)
Actually, your hypothesis is not fully accurate. It is true that some of the newer games e.g Crysis 3 consume more than 2GB memory at even 1080p according to this review by Guru3D, but this alone will not be the reason why the game isn't playable. Even with a 4GB VRAM, the GPU itself isn't strong enough for you to even play smoothly with all the details maxed out. So we shouldn't conclude that 4GB will simply allow you to play most games at 1080p lag free, when some games are so intensive that the GPU will simply run out of processing power, rather than become memory limited.

Even HardOCP concluded that there isn't any advantage between a 2GB and 4GB version of the GTX 670.
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That too, but a 4Gb card will open up possibilities for future SLI. Wouldn't be much point doing an SLI setup if you're going to run up to a VRAM wall when using 2Gb cards.

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post Jun 11 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 04:19 PM)
That too, but a 4Gb card will open up possibilities for future SLI. Wouldn't be much point doing an SLI setup if you're going to run up to a VRAM wall when using 2Gb cards.
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Same scenario is replicated as well, as reviewed by HardOCP. You'll likely run out of GPU processing power before hitting the VRAM wall.

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We've given the ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II 4GB video cards plenty of opportunities to prove to us why we would need 4GB of VRAM on these. Unfortunately, these have come short of proving this. We tried pushing a single ASUS GTX 670 4GB to the max on a 30" display, at more than playable settings, and also at 1080p. We saw no advantages with a single card. Then we put two together in SLI and tried to push them to the max at 5760x1200. What we found was that higher settings were possible to enable, but the performance wasn't there to allow them to be playable. Simply, the performance of GTX 670 isn't enough to utilize the capacity of 4GB of VRAM.

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post Jun 11 2013, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:40 PM)
Same scenario is replicated as well, as reviewed by HardOCP. You'll likely run out of GPU processing power before hitting the VRAM wall.
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True we might never see a game which utilizes the full 4Gb anytime soon, but newer ones like Metro LL and Crysis at Ultra-Max settings have already gone beyond 2Gb VRAM. I wouldn't say it's cost effective seeing as we barely get any games which utilize it, but it does come in handy in the few games that do, and the number will only increase with newer games coming out.
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post Jun 11 2013, 05:10 PM

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so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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QUOTE(RowanPaladin @ Jun 11 2013, 05:00 PM)
True we might never see a game which utilizes the full 4Gb anytime soon, but newer ones like Metro LL and Crysis at Ultra-Max settings have already gone beyond 2Gb VRAM. I wouldn't say it's cost effective seeing as we barely get any games which utilize it, but it does come in handy in the few games that do, and the number will only increase with newer games coming out.
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You'll be surprised at Metro LL, it's not so taxing on the VRAM. The only game I observed so far is only Crysis 3 (8 x MSAA, Very High settings), consuming up to 2.2GB. And even then, you'll not be able to play it very smoothly at all, with or without 4GB VRAM. The point I want to stress actually is, the 4GB is purely a luxury, it will less likely bring upon any significant performance boost on even a higher resolution / multi monitor setup. Rather go for a stronger card, as you'll likely reap more benefits by doing so.
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post Jun 11 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:10 PM)
so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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Your PSU is definitely sufficient for the GTX 770. Noticed that the Jetstream is actually nearly 2.5 slots, i'm not sure if you will have any clearance issue when SLI. For SLI, Guru3D recommends around 750W for 2 x GTX 770.
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post Jun 11 2013, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:10 PM)
so i guess 2gb would be the best choice i supposed..however what do you all think bout the power supply? good enough? need any cooling system or anything else to add on?

if i were to do SLi in the future, can my mobo support this card? looks huge and gigantic
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Iinm, the p8p67 supports x8/x8 SLI. As for the card, it also depends on the cards itself, reference cards or those close to it should do fine, bigger ones.... hmm.gif not sure about those.
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post Jun 11 2013, 05:36 PM

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yeah but the for the moment shall just stick with 1 card

just wanna ask if you are stressing the GPU would it be very noisy?

as im experiencing now, for example if im playing guild wars 2 my pc would be kinda noisy
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post Jun 11 2013, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 05:36 PM)
yeah but the for the moment shall just stick with 1 card

just wanna ask if you are stressing the GPU would it be very noisy?

as im experiencing now, for example if im playing guild wars 2 my pc would be kinda noisy
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Depends.Sometimes,case fans & CPU heatsink that's usually makes the noise..if you're using an old GPU,perhaps cleaning it up a bit would reduce the noise..
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post Jun 11 2013, 09:46 PM

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All you need is upgrade to graphic card and an Ssd.. Get any gtx 770 and Samsung ssd 840, you're all set
TSWazzzap
post Jun 11 2013, 11:33 PM

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i see thanks for the advice guys

looking onto zotac's 770 i wonder why isit so cheap and one of the guy selling asus 770 for only 1420? i wonder why
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post Jun 11 2013, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 11 2013, 11:33 PM)
i see thanks for the advice guys

looking onto zotac's 770 i wonder why isit so cheap and one of the guy selling asus 770 for only 1420? i wonder why
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There's 3 model of Zotac's GTX770 2GB iinm.. :

- Zotac GTX 770 2GB - RM1399
- Zotac GTX 770 4GB - RM1499
- Zotac GTX 770 2GB AMP! Edition - RM1550

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Anyway,Cyntrixtech has it iinm.2+3 years warranty & 3 free games are absolutely a steal.. brows.gif
TSWazzzap
post Jun 12 2013, 01:36 AM

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yeah but why isit much cheaper than others?
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post Jun 12 2013, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(Wazzzap @ Jun 12 2013, 01:36 AM)
yeah but why isit much cheaper than others?
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Simple.Brands.Well known brands like Asus,Gigabyte etc. are quite stable on market & people will never hesitate to trust their reliability & build quality.To put it simple :

- Colgate vs Fresh & White..both of them are toothpaste.But their price ain't the same..even the result(on cleaning teeth) aren't that much to see..

just my 2kupang.. doh.gif
TSWazzzap
post Jun 12 2013, 10:15 AM

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i see but the price difference is just so O_O

i wonder after upgrading how many years more can my rig last
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post Jun 12 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 11 2013, 04:03 PM)
Actually, your hypothesis is not fully accurate. It is true that some of the newer games e.g Crysis 3 consume more than 2GB memory at even 1080p according to this review by Guru3D, but this alone will not be the reason why the game isn't playable. Even with a 4GB VRAM, the GPU itself isn't strong enough for you to even play smoothly with all the details maxed out. So we shouldn't conclude that 4GB will simply allow you to play most games at 1080p lag free, when some games are so intensive that the GPU will simply run out of processing power, rather than become memory limited.

Even HardOCP concluded that there isn't any advantage between a 2GB and 4GB version of the GTX 670.
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Agreed. smile.gif
Benchmarking is the GPU models straight is better than looking at those VRAM(1GB, 2GB, 3GB, etc).
We can't just judge a Graphic Card performance with VRAM alone.

And some more VRAM Graphic Cards still lose to lesser VRAM Graphic Cards.
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