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rjb123
post Jun 20 2014, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 20 2014, 08:16 AM)
rjb123,

If you won't mind, could you please let us know your stock versus bond ratio and how you arrive at the number??  Or, how you decide to allocate X% to each ETF??

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Currently I'm targetting 30%/70% Bond vs. Stock ratio , will be heavier towards bonds as I get older. I'm treating this as my retirement pot , so planning to be topping up monthly without withdrawing anything (ie. close to 30 years - I'm currently 27) so I don't see a problem being a little heavier on stocks for now.

I'm still in fairly early stages as reluctant to put too much cash in at once - according to my monthly contribution plan I'm sitting on 10 years worth of contributions whistling.gif

Edit : Although for the long term I'm not sure doing this through the US is the best choice due to the Withholding tax on dividends - Luxembourg would be an alternative but the broker there has far higher transaction charges

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post Jun 23 2014, 10:57 PM

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In regards to trading fees etc. US ETFs are far superior than equivalent products in Malaysia.

The only downside it seems are the tax on dividends - although I understand half of the 30% withheld you can claim back at the end of the tax year?

Wodenus , regarding your point "A) 2% sales charge. Lowest minimum brokerage here is $30 per trade. Would be interesting to find a low-cost US broker in this country"

Nothing is stopping you from opening an account with a US broker, they don't have to be based in Malaysia ...

I don't really understand this question - how do you define "better"?

B) If their expenses are so much lower, why aren't they doing any better?



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post Jun 23 2014, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jun 23 2014, 11:43 PM)
Don't think we have a tax treaty with the US so the 30% is a fixed number.
However I think it only applies to US company-issued dividends. So not all that painful either if you opt out of dividend ETFs too.

It's small fry in light of the 0% long term capital gains tax (most US peeps who have $ to invest get knocked with 15% if it's not in a 401(k) ) and low management fees.

I'm looking seriously at wiring a bit of money into Schwab and the withholding tax is prolly my last concern (other than picking between Schwab's own ETFs or ponying $9/trade for Vanguard stuff)
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Hmm I see, I was under the impression we can get the 15% back from what I read - need to double check.


QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 23 2014, 11:48 PM)
Fair enough, can you suggest a good low-cost US broker that will allow a Malaysian resident to open an account?
Given VT's low management fees, you'd expect them to have much better performance than AWF.. but as the chart (above) shows, performance is about the same. What does the low management fees translate to, in terms of unitholder benefits?
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Benefits to unit holder - less annual fees?

They can have less fees, as much larger in terms of total assets
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post Jun 24 2014, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 12:09 AM)
Exactly my point, it makes sense if you are in the US. But unless someone can recommend a reputable low-cost US broker that doesn't demand a ridiculous amount of money just to open an account, we're stuck with a $30 minimujm brokerage smile.gif
Then you would just be lying to the government? tongue.gif
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Depends what you call a ridiculous amount of money - less than $10K isn't really worth it after paying bank charges

Currently 30% max withholding, apparently at the end of the year you can file a 1040NR form to get half of that 30% back.

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post Jun 24 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 12:15 AM)
Fantastic.. so if I do DCA/VCA I have to put in $10K a shot.. otherwise it'd not be worth it? and on top of that I have to file a form to get 15% taxed from the dividend, otherwise it's 30%?
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Just because you transfer in $10k doesn't mean you have to invest it all in one go. Can have a higher balance and just top up every month (whatever your schedule)
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post Jun 24 2014, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 12:15 AM)
Fantastic.. so if I do DCA/VCA I have to put in $10K a shot.. otherwise it'd not be worth it? and on top of that I have to file a form to get 15% taxed from the dividend, otherwise it's 30%?
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Just because you transfer in $10k doesn't mean you have to invest it all in one go. Can have a higher balance and just top up every month (whatever your schedule)
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 12:15 AM)
Fantastic.. so if I do DCA/VCA I have to put in $10K a shot.. otherwise it'd not be worth it? and on top of that I have to file a form to get 15% taxed from the dividend, otherwise it's 30%?
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Just because you transfer in $10k doesn't mean you have to invest it all in one go. Can have a higher balance and just top up every month (whatever your schedule)
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post Jun 24 2014, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 12:23 AM)

Now I'm curious, what if you had money in a brokerage account, that you used to buy into a mutual fund, but then the brokerage goes under, what happens to the amount in the brokerage account, and the amount in the fund?
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The excess funds parked in the brokerage are in my case insured by FDIC (www.fdic.gov)

The fund is just held in that brokerage, if it was to go under and taken over by a new brokerage it'd get moved to there I imagine. Only if every company that fund holds was to go bankrupt your money would be gone !
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Already answered by Dreamer , and I'm not a US citizen - don't know what gave you that impression.

Lehman case I don't know much about, but not very relevant to this discussion

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 24 2014, 12:50 AM)
rjb123,

http://www.sipc.org/

SECURITIES INVESTOR PROTECTION CORPORATION

Brokerage A/C is protected by SIPC.

Bank A/C is protected by FDIC.

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FYI, from my TDAM account (the cash balance)

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FDIC INSURED DEPOSIT ACCOUNT IDA10 NOT COVERED BY SIPC


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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 24 2014, 12:58 AM)
rjb123,

By the way, TD own a bank too. It is called the TD Bank.  So, in your case, your spare money is rolled into a bank A/C.  Hence, it is protected by FDIC.  In some other case, the money is held right in the brokerage A/C.  Hence, it is protected by SIPC.

In any case, it is protected by FDIC or SIPC.  One way or another.

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I'm aware of the bank - if I remember correctly they give you 2 choices of parking your cash , either FDIC or SIPC. Doesn't really make a difference to me as I'm not planning on having anywhere near the limit in cash parked there anyway.

Most important thing is, there's protection in the unlikely event of them going under.
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 24 2014, 01:59 AM)
rjb123,

I have a TDAM A/C too.  It is for my play money..

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Who do you prefer as a main broker?

I opened an account with IB as well, but really prefer the TDAM interface
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 24 2014, 11:21 AM)
Okay but what about the cash balance held in the account? and the wire transfer fees... $25 eep. There's no other way to transfer it other than wire?

Anyway the point is, it gets messy.. the only one seems to be Etrade. And etrade is like :

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/etrade.html

Depositing costs : Rm10 for the wire, Rm30+ for commission, then if the money is somehow not credited, have to deal with Singapore and people who might just decide to ignore your emails, and then what, you'd have to go to Singapore to sort it out? Withdrawals not processed, account deducted but doesn't show up in bank, how would you settle this if you are all the way over here?

Ok, now suppose this : You are in Malaysia and you open an account with a US brokerage. You place say $50,000 in it, maybe use $40,000 to trade.

Scenario 1 : One month later $5000 is missing from the account. What can you do?

Scenario 2 : Your account is locked for "suspicious activity." What can you do?

Scenario 3 : You pass on and there is say $1mil in the account. How would you get it out?

Scenario 4 : It is taken from your account, but it does not show up at the local bank. US brokerage ignores you, or tells you it's already been transferred. If this was a local brokerage, we'd have hit the tribunal, and then the newspapers, and then the securities commission.. and then we'd have the money lol smile.gif but if it was a US brokerage, and they ignore you.. then what?
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Cash balances are protected by FDIC/SIPC. Afaik you can deposit via bank draft but is a lot slower - considering the lower purchase and sales charges the wire fee isn't really a big deal (unless you're depositing small amounts where the wire charge is a significant percentage)

I'm not too sure why you're coming up with all these scenarios - in this day and age it's extremely rare for wire transfers or funds just to suddenly disappear and go missing, either they're credited to the destination account or returned / rejected if there's an issue with the payment. I do multiple wire transfers around the world every single week for business, never had a single payment just go "missing"

Scenario 1 : Why would $5000 just go missing? Doesn't make sense. All these brokers are regulated by authorities in their respective countries - they can't just make your money disappear and ignore your e-mails / contact.

Secnario 2 : Why would the account be locked for "suspicious activity"? If something like this does occur (most likely due to attempted unauthorised access II guess) it'd just be a case of supplying a few documents.

Scenario 3 : Same as with other banks, just need to ensure your next of kin etc. has the relevant details

Scenario 4 : As per first point above, these brokers are regulated in their countries - money doesn't just disappear.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here - just because a bank/broker is in another country doesn't mean it isn't safe and money doesn't just go missing!
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QUOTE(apathen @ Jun 24 2014, 05:42 AM)
May I ask did you ever successfully get your withholding tax back? It's not by filling w-8ben form? Tq
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I filed W8BEN form, but withholding on dividends is still 30% (I believe as Malaysia doesn't have DTA with USA)

From what others are saying you need to file 1040NR form - I only started with US ETF this year so won't need to do this until 2015, will update then.
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QUOTE(apathen @ Jun 24 2014, 02:12 PM)
Tq for the reply, same as you I did fill the W8BEN too but the withholding is still 30%. So wonder what need t be done actually.
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The W8BEN just exempts you from CGT, so we'll need to do the 1040NR filing for 2014 by April 2015.

Depends on the amounts of course - for me the claim would be so small at present it would be a total waste of time!
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QUOTE(kenji_lin @ Jul 21 2014, 03:02 PM)
Hi rjb123, Since you have opened a TD Ameritrade Account as non us resident, do they provide you the TD Ameritrade Visa Debit Card?

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I tried, but that's only for US residents I believe. Didn't need it anyway, already have a USD debit card which I've never used
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BTW, TD has commission free trades on many ETFs - no fees for buying, only a "fine" if holding for less than a certain amount of time (2/3 months? I'm not sure)

TT fee isn't much. Say overall, it may cost $50 USD as most for a transfer - if you transfer $1000 that's $50 (5%), if you transfer $10000 that's 0.5%, if $20000 that's 0.25%.

So far if I transferred in - either $10K or $20k, the % of TT fees is less than the SC I'd pay if I was buying funds in Malaysia

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 28 2014, 09:23 PM)
I  am new to all this. Trying find out how to open a US account to buy ETF.

TD was mentioned by dreamer the TS , low maintenance fees suit me fine.

When i entered the TD website to open the account, i was stucked when asked about which account
to choose.  Option for individual - i think joint account would suit me.
Then there is option for a retirement account  - save for retirement 10 years later is my aim.
I didnt know  IRA only for US citizen,
For working malaysian paying 26% income tax here, which account would u recommend?
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Just choose the standard account type, that'll do just fine smile.gif

The IRA / 401K stuff is just for US citizens, not foreigners
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jul 29 2014, 08:21 AM)
20k in RM? I thought max we can TT per day is 10k?
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$20K in USD, from Maybank USD account

No questions asked ... just filled in purpose of transfer "Investment" and that's it

BTW I'm not Malaysian ("Foreign Worker" on the TT form) , as such maybe they ask less questions, I'm not sure.

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I'm looking at SGX listed ETFs, purely because there's no withholding tax on dividends

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