Seems like someone didn't really read my reply thoroughly. I said free weights are more complex while machines are more isolated, targeting specific-muscle groups more than free weights. Like Dorian said, if I want to focus more on the QUADS I'd do smith, when free weights squats focus a lot on the lower thigh muscles and lower back. Anyways, I'd rather build more functional muscles than structural muscles that will only hinder my athletic abilities.

Sorry for the wrong bold. I'm trying to quote on '10 Reasons Why Squatting In The Smith Machine Sucks' from Mehdi by countering with quote from 6-times Mr.O about squatting using smith machine.

IMO... Free weight is like more for building mass, machines are more for those who do not want the trouble to add in / remove plates and can go for next set in short period.

Forgive them lolx... they're big enough to lift super heavy weight, but exhausted cant rerack/put back the weight haha...

free weight are normally almost full body workout

I will say both are usefull

I like to use free weights because it uses more muscles to keep the balance and works out more than just isolating one muscle group.

But then I would move to the machines during my workouts to make sure I isolate those particular muscle groups during my session.

I feel that doing both during my work out helps with my core when doing free weights and then I can really push the muscle group I;m training that day with the machines.

especially machines that allow individual movements for example you can pull with one arm at a time. That means I can mold my body to whatever shape I want.

If I feel weaker on my left then I'll work on it more

Mehdi is an idiot.

Could it also be the weight of the curl bar?

If you lift 20kg plates with the curl bar then you need to take into account the curl bar too because you are also lifting it.

try all and feel which contract your muscle the most

Well I wouldn't listen to EVERYTHING someone on roids says...

This post has been edited by silasya77: Jan 21 2014, 09:17 PM

Um, so you said that just with Steroids, you can grow big and become Mr. Olympia? Sweet! Now lets eat clen and tren hard and become Mr. Olympia.

This post has been edited by alien9: Jan 21 2014, 10:24 PM

Uhm, did I? Nope. Not whatsoever. Mr O's deserve to be Mr O's because of their genetics and their training. All who compete in them however, use steroids and it is a fact that steroid users can get away with training styles that prove ineffective to the average natty. Just cuz it worked for them doesnt mean it works for someone who is not enhanced. I'm not saying EVERYTHING they say is not true or factual, I'm just saying that variables are variables and they are different for the average natural lifter. Am I saying Medhi iz teh better or whatever? No. I'm just saying that Yates is an IFBB Pro and Medhi is a natural. Sure his physique aint all that great but not everything he says is wrong either.

I'm no supporter of either. My basis is more towards factual science behind the lifts than 'what is wrong or right in broscience terms'. There's always truth to everything, but the hard part is figuring it out. I really like Jason Blaha's training ideology, for example.

This post has been edited by silasya77: Jan 22 2014, 10:11 PM

It doesn't matter much. Though there is a slight difference in resistance curve but if the resistance on the machine is too light, simply add more weight.

The muscle doesn't know if you're curling a truck or a boat..

So this wall of text is simply just to expand what you said earlier?

This is H&F, not a single one liner reply thread like in /k. If you want to say anything, then just say it. Don't just send a one liner and then after being quoted then you want to reply with wall of text

About the issue, IFBB Pro are the guys who want to be the best in building physique. Sure, they take roids but they have perfect diet, stacks of supplements and they trained more than normal gym goers do. What they train from 30 weeks off to the day of competition might be what you trained in a year.

So whose advice should I heed? You who have just a few years of experience under your belt and aiming to just have a good body or the one who started really early, have a lots of experience and really want to be the best in the world?

Just because they take roids, doesn't mean that they doesn't have any knowledge or whatsoever.

Like I said. My sentence made it clear, but you seemed to take it the wrong way or something so I had to elaborate. I gave no advice whatsoever, merely stating that someone on drugs would train differently compared to someone not on drugs. I'm not telling you what to do. You could do whatever the heck you wanted to. And who am I to judge if you'd rather take the advice of someone that's enhanced compared to someone who's philosophy is natural training, even though he admittedly has a few kinks in his logic and perception compared to everyone else. I couldn't give a rat's ass who's advice you heed, I heed, or anyone heeds. I didn't post to be analysed or put forth a 'You're wrong because I'm right blah blah blah' mentality. Everything goes both ways. But I'm sticking in the middle ground personally. There's truth in everything.

So lemme do me, and I'll let you do you guess. Can't we just all agree to disagree? There is no 'law' set in stone with these things. Merely pedestals in which people keep setting on.

This post has been edited by silasya77: Jan 24 2014, 04:05 PM

But hang on, lemme give you a bicep shot.

But in all seriousness, come on guys, it doesn't have to get heated up like this every time we have a discussion

Does it heat up often around here? I have no intention of causing conflict at all haha. I just believe everyone must attain their own opinion not solely from one source, but to form their own opinion off of every aspect of life.

I dont like machines.
I am a girl 169cm and I feel that the range of motion from machines are more suitable for men

I prefer free weights and compound movement *deadlift,squat*

nothing against machine, my bf prefer machine during isolation training