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alien9
post Jun 4 2013, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Jun 3 2013, 09:55 PM)
not sure whether its a good idea to alternate these, but i find it useful lol.
eg 3 days machine, 3 days free weights.
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Care to explain more?

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post Jun 27 2013, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(M.Ali @ Jun 27 2013, 04:17 AM)
Well, generally, free weights are better for major complex exercises while machines could be better for isolated exercises.

Machines balance the weight for you, making it less of a complex move. The more the complex the movement is,  the more muscle groups are involved. Also, contrary to popular belief, some machines are more dangerous than free weights. They force your body into a stiff, unnatural movement patterns and puts more strain on the joints.

For example, I see people in my gym using Smith Machine to squat all the time. They think it's less dangerous. That could only be true if you DO NOT know the correct technique of squats. While it's true not being afraid of a 100 kg barbel falling on you is nice and all, If you can squat properly in terms of technique AND weight (you can't add 200kg when your limit is 120kg, you gotta be reasonable) then you shouldn't worry about that! I couldn't have explained it better than Mehdi:

10 Reasons Why Squatting In The Smith Machine Sucks
Also, machines are more of a structure work than function. I prefer to have more 'functional' muscles that would help me in sports. Weightlifting/powerlifting plus doing sports can get you a perfect body. Bodybuilding is generally bad for athletes because it can make you stiff, gives you 'structural' muscles that are not that functional and will only slow you down. Here are a couple of good reads:

Machines Or Free Weights: Structure Vs. Function!

Also, do not forget people like Arnold Schwarzenegger built all their muscles with nothing but free weights!
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This is a quote from a 6-times Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates regarding squatting on smith machine:

"Then, squatting on a Smith machine, I could position my body so it was much more isolated on the quads, less glutes and lower back involvement, didn't have to worry about the balance aspect. Actually my legs improved a lot when I was doing Smith squats, hack squats, leg presses — I could isolate the thighs a lot more. So actually I used the Smith machine quite a bit for squatting."

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...yates_interview

I'll trust DY compared to Mehdi anytime.

p/s: That 2nd article was written 10 years ago. Technology flies fast these days when Billions USD have been funded for inventing and proving machines for BB.

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post Jun 27 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(M.Ali @ Jun 27 2013, 04:07 PM)
Seems like someone didn't really read my reply thoroughly. I said free weights are more complex while machines are more isolated, targeting specific-muscle groups more than free weights. Like Dorian said, if I want to focus more on the QUADS I'd do smith, when free weights squats focus a lot on the lower thigh muscles and lower back. Anyways, I'd rather build more functional muscles than structural muscles that will only hinder my athletic abilities.
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Sorry for the wrong bold. I'm trying to quote on '10 Reasons Why Squatting In The Smith Machine Sucks' from Mehdi by countering with quote from 6-times Mr.O about squatting using smith machine.
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post Jan 21 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(silasya77 @ Jan 21 2014, 09:16 PM)
Well I wouldn't listen to EVERYTHING someone on roids says...  biggrin.gif
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Um, so you said that just with Steroids, you can grow big and become Mr. Olympia? Sweet! Now lets eat clen and tren hard and become Mr. Olympia.

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post Jan 23 2014, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(silasya77 @ Jan 22 2014, 10:07 PM)
Uhm, did I? Nope. Not whatsoever. Mr O's deserve to be Mr O's because of their genetics and their training. All who compete in them however, use steroids and it is a fact that steroid users can get away with training styles that prove ineffective to the average natty. Just cuz it worked for them doesnt mean it works for someone who is not enhanced. I'm not saying EVERYTHING they say is not true or factual, I'm just saying that variables are variables and they are different for the average natural lifter. Am I saying Medhi iz teh better or whatever? No. I'm just saying that Yates is an IFBB Pro and Medhi is a natural. Sure his physique aint all that great but not everything he says is wrong either.

I'm no supporter of either. My basis is more towards factual science behind the lifts than 'what is wrong or right in broscience terms'. There's always truth to everything, but the hard part is figuring it out. I really like Jason Blaha's training ideology, for example.
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So this wall of text is simply just to expand what you said earlier?

QUOTE(silasya77 @ Jan 21 2014, 09:16 PM)
Well I wouldn't listen to EVERYTHING someone on roids says...  biggrin.gif
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This is H&F, not a single one liner reply thread like in /k. If you want to say anything, then just say it. Don't just send a one liner and then after being quoted then you want to reply with wall of text doh.gif

About the issue, IFBB Pro are the guys who want to be the best in building physique. Sure, they take roids but they have perfect diet, stacks of supplements and they trained more than normal gym goers do. What they train from 30 weeks off to the day of competition might be what you trained in a year.

So whose advice should I heed? You who have just a few years of experience under your belt and aiming to just have a good body or the one who started really early, have a lots of experience and really want to be the best in the world?

Just because they take roids, doesn't mean that they doesn't have any knowledge or whatsoever.

 

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