actually who or what party stand to gain the most in the event of a property downturn?

not really the type of answers i'm trying to look for.

it's true that someone who have least exposure to banks, developers and property may suffer less compared to others who are more vested in those.
but is there any industries or profession which actually benefits correspondingly with direct property downturn?

eg.... when a prop drops 100k, does someone stands to pocket a % of that 100k through other means?

for starters, mk10 site is bigger than mk11 yet having less unit.
mk10, being on slightly elevated ground, have higher height compared to mk11.
it's elevated deck at the podium stretches more than 1km.
each unit comes with steam bath.
and of course, it also scored higher quality rating by bca between these 2.

mk11 main focal was the architectural and it's floating deck podium. some may find it's facade too commercial like.
while mk10 do seems boring but at least it would stand the test of time being the boring old look.
but don't get me wrong, both are good product except i prefer 10 over 11.
11 is more expensive being smaller unit and launched later.
what about seni?
and the upcoming competition from icon, concerto, verdana?
700psf, not 700sf. 

If the banks collapse as severely as some of you insinuate no one will be spared. Please take note of what has happened in Cyprus. All of your immense cash holdings in your accounts will be receive haircuts if lucky and if the banks go under as so many of you are hoping then your deposits are only insured for up to RM250,000.00. SO what exactly are you hoping for and exactly how much money do you have tucked in your mattress ???

hi, im so sorry to change the subject....but i have a question to ask, lets say if i buy now mentari court at sunway for 150k for investment, what is the price 10 yrs down the road.

and lets say if i dont wanna sell it after i purchase it, what is the limit price that can be reach...how far it will go.

1 of these days the price sure will go down. Just a matter of time. So, the DDD camp will be right one day.

Cannot be denied, the 2013 property prices is not as hot as before. Investors are more cautious. Banks are also more cautious by rejecting more loan applications. But the prices are still either up up up, or maintain very steady. As long as investors has stable employment, they can service their loan and has continued holding power

The only way malaysia property market will collapse is the world economy take a hard beating. And the effect spreads to malaysian economy. The last property slump in Malaysia is because of the Asia currency crisis in 1997/8. That time many companies were affected, and many properties went to auction. So to see a property market collapse now, you will have to have economies of China down, Europe down, USA down, Asia down. Then malaysian economy will be affected badly, and companies start to retrench, landlord hard to find tenant, foreign investors put up fire sale, and eventually property market will collapse

But world economy doesn't look that way now. Although export in all countries are softening, but it doesn't look catastrophic. The property price does not seem to be falling in 2013. But nowadays everything is very fluid, so it may look very different in 6 months time.

Arent you DDD guys tired of saying property prices will go down but IT HAS NOT GONE DOWN SINCE I DUNNO... 2008? I have been monitoring this thread since 2011. after year 2011 ended, property prices have not gone down. ok now is 2012 and DDD keep saying property prices will go down. after year 2012 ended, property prices still have not gone down. ok now is 2013 and DDD keep saying property prices will go down. WTF ler.huhuhu. Like dat every year keep saying the same thing but it didnt happen. What happened was this: PROPERTY PRICES GONE UP.

I am glad to state a few props here FROM DEVELOPERS (not subsales) have gone up. These are not recently launch phases but the exact ones launched before and price was increased:

1) nadayu 92
2) elements@ampang
3) tropicana metropark
How about you DDD guys? Show me la at least 3 props from developers that have gone down in price.

I am just stating the facts here. If I believe that propert price will go down, I will say it out loud. But from current scenario, I seriously dont see how that could be the case

Ya maybe la. I also didnt wanna point out subsale price earlier (even though mr.joeblows bashed me for doing so) because all the subsales i have all increased in price. So i just quoted the same units from developer also increased in price, apatah lagi for subsales for good props. I think the difference here is good props vs bad props. Bad aka tahi props of course dont have good demand. Good props do. I am getting irritated by agents who keep calling me to sell some of my props and i can tell u the price that they r offering keep increasing month after month.

I have laid down very clearly the condition on how Malaysian property market will crash.

Don't just counter my points lah. Criticize people is always easy. You need also give opinion --> Can you also lay down clearly how in your opinion Malaysian property market will crash ? You guys have been talking about crashing, but until today nothing happen 

So, my opinion is still "right until proven wrong". Whereas your opinion is still "wrong until proven right" 

boss, i agree our debt is insanely high. as soon as pru13 was over, it sh!ts me to know that our big man is pushing for a RM1trillion transformation plan!
while our debt is high, do you have any idea where the funds are coming from? internal or external.
if it's external, surely the big boys out there would need some sort of collateral as well, right?
else if bolehland go bust, how would they recover their $$$. any ideas boss?

The 4 things are happening and we have recipe for bubble burst ? But.....but.....but.....where is the bubble burst ? Tak rasa pun ?

Any target has no value if there is no timeline. I have said it won't burst if the world economy has no drastic changes. I have said it won't burst in 2013. If it burst in 2013, then I am damn wrong 

Can you state a date so I have a more meaningful perspective of your opinion ?

2005: United States housing market correction ("bubble bursting").
February: The Office of Thrift Supervision implemented new rules that allowed savings and loans with over $1 billion in assets to meet their CRA obligations without investing in local communities, cutting availability of subprime loans.
September: The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Federal Reserve, and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency allow loosening of Community Reinvestment Act requirements for "small" banks, further cutting subprime loans.[17][40]
Fall: Booming housing market halts abruptly; from the fourth quarter of 2005 to the first quarter of 2006, median prices nationwide dropped off 3.3 percent.[41]
Year-end: A total of 846,982 properties were in some stage of foreclosure in 2005.[42]
2006: Continued market slowdown. Prices are flat, home sales fall, resulting in inventory buildup. U.S. Home Construction Index is down over 40% as of mid-August 2006 compared to a year earlier. A total of 1,259,118 foreclosures were filed during the year, up 42 percent from 2005.[43]

Foolish ? I for one is setting a firm date. And I say it again. MARKET WILL NOT CRASH IN 2013

I wonder why you don't dare to set a date. No confident about what you said yourself ? 

Again, "I am right until proven wrong", and "you are wrong until proven right". If you don't give a date, 1 day you sure will be right. But when ? Until then, what you said are just rubbish

That's the difference between the DDD and BBB camp....

of course, the ever crystal ball question of, if property crash does not happen next year, what next?
factor in your 'losses' of another year's rental into the property crash value before you make your move?

btw, if someone buys at RM100k the first year.
upon VP is RM150k.
he rents out at say 5% of ori price = RM5k/annum.
adjusted to present price is only 3.33%.
so consider beat inflation or not?

Sometimes, I really pity those who missed the boat. Opportunity of a life time is lost. Some DDD camp like tat3179 and tikaram realised their mistake and turn to BBB mode. So, it is still not too late. I think they are clever, because they 不跟钱过不去. Whereas some die hard DDD camp still in denial mode after so many years and never given up on their belief. The only good thing about holding to their belief is that they limit their risk   

i somewhat agrees with you.
some flippers do think they are invincible.
but having said so, it's even more puzzling to note some DDD actually bought something in recent months.

- "Anytime is a good time to buy". Y or N?

- "Properties prices will usually go up in the long-term". Y or N?

- "The market cannot collapse because of demand from foreigners." Y or N? nvrm, i answer for you for this one. N

- "Mickey mouse units are the trend of the future". Y or N?

Meaningless without hardcore down camp mr Wayne, like mr debt who promised to stay till the end but now hiding somewhere, also mr blow job hiding too after cant get the link house in DAMANSARA jaya for 700k, we hope u are sustainable here, babe!

Currently I'm waiting for my shoplot to fully handover to me which I bought subsales end last year, I'm also looking for commercial land but nothing is cheap, one of my friend bought a commercial land many years ago and it was dirt cheap last time, not really big size but enough to develop 20 units shoplot, all facing main road, sold out and VP early last year, he keep the both corner lot and all intermediate units sold at 1.8mil at that time, construction cost only about average 330k per unit, so u can calculate how much he made from this project, I have intention to do so and still search around, making 100 or 200k from a condo is really interested for me nowadays, as I mentioned before I'm earning 2mil from every 3 years from my career, u can choose not to believe and keep shiok sendiri and waiting for price drop.

So! Have u ask anyone about the construction cost? Don't forget to ask the cost for just single unit and also 20 units or 50 units, I'm still waiting for this, unless my friend bluff me and his panamera and X6 is fake one which bought after earned from this project, and now he still continue his original F&B business also enjoy the rental from both corner units, for your info my brother also contractor ya!