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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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joeblows
post Jun 21 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:55 PM)
ya! im looking for you actually
how's the link house in damansara jaya that you targeted for long? drop to 700k from 850k yet? again! that is damansara jaya you know, not kajang.
please update as you promised before
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Not yet here yet, coming soon.

Not worried since slacker like you everyday TCSS on LYN can get 2M every 3 years, I must be able to make 5M by working much harder than you. Right? LOL.
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:57 PM)
His imaginary millionaire friend.... LMFAO!!!!... Really falling off my chair man reading his stories... its just really really amazing how far he can go and still think that its believable... LMFAO!!!  biggrin.gif
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I think his mistake la cos he put Panamera and X6 only.

So cheapo who will believe, if already want to bluff, go all out la for Bentley and Audi R8. hehe....... laugh.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:03 PM

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Oh no........now 5 stones ss2 also joining Auction List!!! ohmy.gif

OMG!! What happening to BBBBBB market? Zuiko this cheap enough for you? Why not buy? In 5 years maybe can sell for RM2m yo.....

Auction Date : 20 June 2013 ( Thursday )

Unit No. E-22-02, Five Stones, No 3, Jalan SS 2/72, 47300 Petaling Jaya Selangor.

Land Area : 2370 sq.ft

Property Type : Freehold

Reserve Price : RM 1,420,000/-
Deposit : 10%

*Free Registration.

*For Registration to participate in the auction, pls register early as possible in 3 DAYS in advance on the shown of Auction date.

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1201441...e-by-irene-wong
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 21 2013, 05:15 PM)
oh no! 5 stone also join auction, and oh no! reserve price 1.4 mil, i'm not sure what price will be ended, but i'm knew launched price about 1mil.
please get more details before trying to bang on people.
and please update me after the auction date, thanks
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See unit size before shoot your mouth......hehe

Its 2307sqft
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 21 2013, 05:45 PM)
Mr blow, since when u started survey in property market?? Did u went to this launching or not? It was 4xx psf during launched, my dear

That's the problem when communicate with people got nothing and just own 2 set of banana from both hand, maybe I should not say that, later u show picture of banana here, the worst thing is that banana also borrow from someone else
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Ok lah, since so cheap and you got so many millions, maybe you should buy eh.

Who knows, maybe next time, too you can upgrade your proton saga to panamera like your "friend". Hehe.......

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post Jun 23 2013, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jun 21 2013, 08:02 PM)
Sometime we can figure out who's telling the truth and who's just bullshit here, who's investor down camp, who's homeless down camp and who's missed the boat down camp, just from all their comments, the more he comment, the easiest to figure out.

Just 2 simple example, Usually a person always calculate the 鸡仔数, we can figure out which income group he belongs to, usually people worry too much about the 20-30 years loan repayment, we can also figure out he's not used to purchase property.

As a person from poor family, from nothing to have something, from 1st time purchase till now keep investing, we have experience those feeling and thinking.

To figure out mr debt is one of the example, and now he's hiding, but he's actually smart, but only book smart.
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Damn.......this is such a stupid comment one can't even believe how dumb it is. laugh.gif

Good investor or businessman always calculate their fundamentals. ALWAYS.

Whether its USA, Warren Buffet at 80 years old still does his step-by-step calculations on paper to calculate intrinsic value of a company before he buy any shares.
Or Tan Sri Lim Goh Tong from Malaysia before he died when interviewed at 70 years old still calculated every month how much a average visitor at Genting Highland will spend.
All these figures are so old already and can pass this job to their staff and just enjoy retirement but they still do everything themselves.

But Super Duper Investor sei ling chat telling people - "don't worry so much about the repayment calculation, cos you not used to purchase property".

LMFAO. This is the way to bankruptcy speaking. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 24 2013, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(happyhealthy @ Jun 24 2013, 12:00 AM)
Is really amazing that seeing all you guys so rich and successful.  I am so envy.
Becoming a manager can really make all this come thru?
My managers do not look so loaded like all you guys. Really hope can achieve the level like you guys, blush.gif  notworthy.gif
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Becoming a manager alone won't make you rich and successful.

Definitely better than talking on the Internet about your (non-existent) RM3m a year business, Audi and your "friend's" Panamera though!

LOL laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2013, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 24 2013, 09:09 AM)

Not to mention the other weirdos from Up camp also... Someone's colleague drives a bmw, but parks it at LRT station and takes LRT to work... my god... when I read that I'm thinking to myself... If you can't afford the parking at KLCC don't LCLY wanna drive BMW la... LMFAO!!!! drive BMW take LRT... ROFLMAO!!!!  biggrin.gif You think this is Kiasu-land ah... where its 100 times safer than Boleh-land... You park you BMW at LRT I think worst things will happen.. This is what we call penny wise pound foolish.. If you buy a BMW to drive it to LRT then might as well don't buy it in the first place la... DAMN embarrassing la.... its like buy an expensive car for show only... no money to pay for petrol and parking... LOL!!!!! Just doesn't make any sense at all...
LRT Station is a hotspot for crime.

I know as my family home is very near Kelana Jaya LRT.

Dozens of cases of snatch theft, mugging, carjack, car thieves, what have you la over there.

Even if you stay 200m from LRT, you gonna let your wife walk home alone? LOL!

Even if those Panerai-wearing bosses willing to risk the crime, who wants to say the place they live in is a crime-infested area? LOL!!!
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post Jun 24 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 24 2013, 11:25 AM)
I too agree that properties near upcoming MRT/LRT stations are overated. Many developers are using this to hike up their prices like crazy. Dijaya's Tropicana Gardens is a classic example. I heard Tower 3 is going to be launched at around 1,200-1,300 psf (starting price). Imagine paying such prices for Kota Damansara and that too right at the back after Sunway Giza. This is clearly future prices which DIjaya is selling at. Do investors actually think actual market prices will hit 1,500 psf in that area by 2016? WIll bank actually value properties at that prices in 2016? For banks to do that, the actual market prices would need to be above that. And yet i hear thr's a long wait list already.
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Guess where on the chart are we? brows.gif
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 1 2013, 09:06 AM)
I think the main question here is would the property market be able to sustain itself at its projected prices in 2015/2016 when more than 30K new condo units enter the market in Klang Valley? Has anybody noticed that bank valuations of new property launches have started to drop quite drastically in some areas? Is this a sign that the banks know something we dont?
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Well, if you have been following this thread and are rational enough to do the maths on demand-supply curve, you would be up there with the banks knowing as well. ;-)

Because Malaysians are heavily leveraged that means in turn that Malaysian banks are also heavily leveraged....
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 1 2013, 10:14 AM)
Yup this i know. I was refering to a future event most closely associated with the 30K or so condo units coming into the market in 2015/2016.
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I know, just pulling your leg......you're one of the most reasonable forummers here which I respect.

I reckon it still depends on area - for the 30k or so condos coming into the market. For places like TTDI or even certain parts of PJ (like LI Villas) where there is barely any new development (besides the horrendous Ascendia with bad access) it should still do ok - stagnant at worst.

For the so-called "new development zones" (ie Balakong, farther parts of Cheras, Kajang, Putrajaya, Klang, outskirt areas of Sg Buloh and Rawang) they will probably be hit pretty hard.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 1 2013, 10:36 AM)
Yes i guess so. I think the threat of the 2015/2016 period has become more real now when we see banks starting to drop valuations of new properties to reduce their exposure. And now we also have BNM re-evaluating the DIBS schemes. I think they realise that the property market in Malaysia is over-heating and developers are rushing to launch new developments at crazy prices without control. I still havent gotten over Tropicana Gardens in Kota Damansara launching at 1100-1150 psf and now they talking about Phase 3 at 1200-1300 psf. And yet investors are flocking to buy.  shocking.gif
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Yup, and not counting insanely pricey psf like Cloudtree Cheras or Vina Versatile at 500-600 psf. Or mad prices in Puchong and Putrajaya.

Or that SDB project in Balakong.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 1 2013, 11:01 AM)
what would be your expected 'reasonable' prices for such location and their concept?
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Under 400psf

Especially for location so far away, high density, mid- to low-end range homes such as the above.

Ideally for those location some way out of KL - 1000-1200sqft should be around RM400k max.
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post Jul 1 2013, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 1 2013, 11:39 AM)
i agree if the product is plain jane vanilla.
but these developers try to improvise by offering so called 'high-end' luxury concept to their purchasers.

for instance, if say a pelangi damansara or palm spring is sited at these location, 1000sf at RM400k, would you have accepted these pricing?
or are you gonna say now that if it's these kinda product, then pricing should go lower still?
and again at what cost? 300psf?

and seeing what vina versatile and cloud trees are sorta different from "in your terms" quote: mid to low end range homes, do they justify their pricetag now?
unless of course you are referring to these as no difference from palm spring or pelangi damansara.

funny thing is, once you make it affordable enough, more people is gonna be jumping on to the bandwagon again. once that happens, price creeps up. when price creeps up, it's no longer affordable and back to square one all over again.

no right, no wrong. just exchanging banters with you boss. and trying to see where you're coming from.  icon_rolleyes.gif

PS: apologies to palm spring and pelangi damansara owners for using this tasteless example.
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You really believe Cloud Tree or Vina Versatile is "luxury"?

Only in their SA's big talk it is. Looks no better than 1120 avenue which is medium to low end. Sanderson - so much talk about it being "luxury" or "mid/high-end" but end result is? Nothing special. Even worse, those developments are high-rise, high-density. I mean, those places sure ain't the next Arcoris or St Regis.

By the way, I am not a down camper for the sake of it. Price creeping up due to solid demand is one thing which I fully support. The reality is, this isn't the case.

Many of this units will be empty at VP and owners, no intention of moving in whatsoever. Just flip it off, and if fail, the bank will lelong for you.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 1 2013, 12:06 PM)
you can't afford an armani, but you do not want to seen in a hang ten, so what do you get? you get an improvise hang ten at about 30% of a AX price hybrid product. kekeke.
and thus so many other brands flourishes because of this.
do you agree boss?
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More like, buying a Padini for 30% over price now, and hope to sell at Armani price to some poor sucker in a few years.

Sad to say, for most of these people, they are the sucker instead. wink.gif


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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 1 2013, 01:09 PM)
By doing so it also brings the value of the real brand down... imagine have The Oval - KLCC (real thing) and The Oval - Klang Meru... ROFLMAO!!!... My god... i can just imagine the conversations... oh where do you stay..., the Oval..., oh, the one near KLCC... no its actually in Klang... ROFLMAO!!!!..... Yikes...!!! scary thought... I guess same goes for like add on "Hartamas" "Kiara" or whatever it is... just do pathetic and cheap.. Again no offense intended to those staying in those areas... The above names are used as examples only.
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ROFLMAO!!!

This is soooooo true.

I have a friend that tells everyone she stays in Damansara.

Too bad she missed out the full name. It's not Damansara Utama, or Damansara Jaya, but "Damansara" Damai.

Hahahahaha! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 1 2013, 04:16 PM)
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scenario 1.
i sell clothes.
i ask around. confirm 100 orders for shirt + pants, then only i confirm to start work. but before start work i request the 100 confirmed orders to pay me RM1 to buy the cloth first.
hence i pocket rm100 to buy cloth.
i buy the cloth with rm80. use rm20 + bank borrow rm200 to buy sewing machine.
i sew the shirt and show my customers. customers ok and pay additional rm3. i gather rm300 now to pare down my loans and also use rm80 to buy cloth again and additional rm50 for packaging material. i sew the pants now. i request customer to fully pay up the balance rm2 before delivery. i use the rm200 to pare down my loans and deliver the product.
my loan peaked at rm200 momentarily before i pared down with new loan at rm30 and pared down again just before delivery.
my total interest chargeable is rm200 for a brief period + rm30 interest for a brief period too.
my base cost is actually rm430 + (rm200 + rm30 bank interest) + profit\
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Super wrong analogy. doh.gif

i sell clothes. Selling at RM20 (by the way your example of selling price of RM6 per pair is lower than the cost price of the developer. Cannot brain).
i ask around. confirm 100 orders for shirt + pants, then only i confirm to start work. but before start work i request the 100 confirmed orders to pay me RM2 to buy the cloth first. BUT the catch is customer need to borrow RM18 from the bank as well.
hence i pocket rm200 to buy cloth.
i buy the cloth with rm80. use rm20 + bank borrow rm200 to buy sewing machine. I use remaining RM100 to start new project to sell to other customers. "Roll" mah! Hehehe!
i sew the two shirts and 50 collars and show my customers. customers ok and pay additional rm8. i gather rm800 now to pare down my loans and also use rm80 to buy cloth again and additional rm50 for packaging material AND also to roll again and start new project. Then I buy new BMW. And a new Bungalow too in Sydney.
i sew some shirts now - but then not enough cash after paying downpayment for my new beemer, so I replace with low quality cloth and cos I got too many projects, simply simply do lah. Bo jio. After all this suckers already paid in full already what. hehehe.
Shirts finish, some customers not too happy. I planning to start another project but then banks call the loans in. Shit!

I run away to my Sydney house, use some money to kautim some ministers in KL. No problem!

As for buyers, well, they got a shirt what. The pants, belakang kira la. Those ministers I didn't pay for nothing ok. Property only ever goes up. Semua-nya ok.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 1 2013, 04:42 PM)
hhmmmm......
i like your version much better....

but i afraid of fire in hell.
so i better.....  rolleyes.gif
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Ya only hell can punish people like this.

Cos our gahmen surely don't.

You look at Chan Ah Chye from Talam. Not only walking around a free man - become Tan Sri some more. You or I can or not? ROFLMAO.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jul 1 2013, 05:14 PM)

5. And wages in the Banking industry is increasing. Meaning if you are in the right industry, you will have enuff money to buy anything you want. The question is are you going to buy at the manage to "catch the boat" price or are you the sucker that bought at the "miss the boat" price. Check out fresh grad salary for Petronas. I heard it is a lot.

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Another BBBBB camper living in their fantasy world.

"Property only goes up, never goes down"
"Malaysian salary is very high"

Okay then. LOL.
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QUOTE(lightbulk @ Jul 2 2013, 09:21 PM)
Some info to share.. I've recently met two person. One is a director of a big developer co. who built the most posh n famous shopping mall in KL. Another one is just a small developer who buy small land and build one or two houses to sell. Both have same view on property market as below.
1) property price will definitely goes up yoy due to scarcity of land
2) building material has recently up by up to 20% after CNY
3) more Singaporean investors getting aggressive in bolehland.
Sigh... I blame myself not buying enough... No money to buy more anyway ;p
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Obviously if you meet a car salesman, he is not gonna tell you car industry is gonna collapse tomorrow due to MRT coming up right?

So why would property developer be any different? wink.gif

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