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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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SUSAmayaBumibuyer
post Jul 15 2013, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 15 2013, 12:14 PM)
Even the Malaysians can afford higher interest rates, with the currrent unhealthy property market that buyer needs "lobang" with developer in order to get VVIP status to attend the 'pre-pre-preview', do you think this is fair to all Malaysians?

That's why sometimes I don't agreed with people here asking other people to buy according to your affordability, when we look into a bigger picture, it's not fair as just putting a statement "buy according to affordability eg. RM220k at outskirt areas".
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The example that I gave previousy of a 100k flat in the heart of the city is a good question for you Debbie. Now do you want to live there? That is the question.

Look it up Jalan Perkasa Taman Maluri. It is not in an outskirt area.

600 sq feet. Like pobably 30+ year old flat. The flats has been there for so long. Again do you want to own a flat in such condition?

Now, Would it be fair if anybody wants to devalue an apartment that is recently built in heart of KL for 400k at 700 sq ft?

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post Jul 16 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(wwwcomment @ Jul 16 2013, 01:50 PM)
wah, mind to share which area?
i wonder why the agent did not grab it himself.  hmm.gif
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fengshui factor??
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post Jul 16 2013, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(nevland @ Jul 16 2013, 03:16 PM)
i'm not sure about fengshui.. but there chinese too in the same row with mine
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You'll be surprise. My row of houses, there is one house that the chinese wont touch because in front of a T junction. Becuase of the Fengshui factor and thus I believe that house was empty for years and still is and cheap but I never know the price. But that is what I heard.

So when I buy a property, even when I am not chinese, will be very particular about this becuase it means half of the population of Malaysia is not considering your house, thus the value will not be on the high side. Something that I notice laa, I might be wrong but Chinese really particular this feng shui stuff...and the number four. Stay away if you have the least bit of intention to sell your house one day.

But If I want to live there for the rest of my life I am Ok especially if it is cheap enuff to offset the non marketability of it. I hope I can find one in KL particularly my area, I am still looking, but can't find any.

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post Jul 16 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(nevland @ Jul 16 2013, 03:57 PM)
and you'll be surprise that my house isn't facing any junction or any row of houses.. i can park the car on the side road..
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I am sure your house is not affected by fengshui of course.

My point is when I buy a house I might have to consider fengshui and there are other factors too. And yeah the house that I told you about, the previous owner died of a heart attack.

And there are some stories on other places where you find a dead body, then soryl forever nobody will buy that house. Even malays.
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post Jul 16 2013, 08:01 PM

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Yup as i said. Fengshui is a consideration of property buying. Not finding excuses as some people say. Chinese dont wanna buy, your house is cheap. I know.
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post Jul 17 2013, 08:40 AM

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Means bubble? What bubble and price crash? I don't see it.

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post Jul 17 2013, 10:27 AM

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Reminds me of a movie...

you dont want to go on a treasure hunt with me and find gold? The other guy dont want too because it is too risky. Then the guy went for the treasure and bear the risk (eg bad weather, high mountains, corrupt officials etc) and found the gold. Then BOOM, instant millionaire. But have to bear the cost first lah to find the treasure.



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post Jul 17 2013, 11:48 AM

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Well rather than running away and waiting to die...rather face them get a gun and kill them one by one, irrespective of aliens or zombies..becuase if you run, you will definitely get caught anyway. So to survive, you should kill them all.

Which means I don't run, but face the risk and bought a property anyway. I still need a house. And as long I can afford two, just buy another one.

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post Jul 17 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 02:53 PM)
Rule of Thumb:

#1 Live to fight another day
#2 Always fight when you confident of winning

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Good one.
In the zombie example, you run and try to live. Meantime the zombies are multiplying. Therefore when you start to fight, it is more disadvantegous. You should have fight when the zombies are probably low in numbers. Of course you can still win but very hard at that point.


ie Dont start buying properties when it is out reach
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post Jul 17 2013, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 03:29 PM)
Okay hero.

But please be careful in your statements... Someone here may say you assume too much... Example (as per your statements):

1. You assume zombies multiply;
2. You assume its more advantageous to fight first;
3. You assume that currently number of zombies are low; and
4. You assume that later will be more difficult to win.

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Emm based on the movies based on zombies, those are not assumptions. Actually for number 4, you might dont win, you just lose.
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post Jul 17 2013, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 17 2013, 04:38 PM)
bank u give u loan one.... bcs bank officer need to show every year loan growth that much .... ...later can realised some interest income..... and ... so that at the year end got big bonus... good increment.

bank officer don't care one la.... they are too big to fail... got tax payer to bailt them up ma...if fail or if not ... it is shareholder money worst come to worst. tongue.gif

now u see again.
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As a person working in a bank, i can assure you that this is not true.

And rooney, all zombie movies the zombies multiply, hence what i meant these are not assumptions, they really happened in a zombie movie.

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post Jul 17 2013, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jul 17 2013, 09:51 PM)

It is also interesting to note that Malaysia will become a 30 millionth population country very soon.  (Our population has crossed 29.6 million in the latest data from Statistics Department)
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Wonder with all these population they don't need a house to live in. I think i have touched these before on my previous previous post. Of course they do. And is the supply enough? And what does the law of supply and demand in economics again?. Now you guys still want to wait to own a home? New graduates are being churned out from universities and will hunt for a house. Really, still want to wait and hope for the property price to crash? Good luck.
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jul 17 2013, 10:13 PM)
The question is more about AFFORDABILITY. Nationwide, we have a housing shortage in the non-luxury segment (btw even medium cost can now be considered as "Kondominium Mewah" according to OSC). In a layman comment, I think the shortage is partly the fault of Federal and State Government in implementing social housing for all these years.

To put in perspective, the shortage is largely the lower-end segment. I don't see any shortage in the upper end but developers told me that the mid-class society can be "upgraders", meaning to say, the richer ones move one notch up, the next level move the next level... and eventually, the lower level will move to the existing low-end properties that we have.  (sounds like they upgraded from flats to condo? but most old condo will become flats as years go by)

So the market cannot be seen as only the joinees and investors... as they are many people who upgrade (or downgrade). This movement is enough to cause certain hotspots to boom.

+The latest estimation is 29.796 million as per population clock, however, this is computed based on our Fertility Rate... which over the 12 month will be reconciled with the numbers of Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara with small margin of errors. http://www.statistics.gov.my/portal/index.php?lang=en
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Most of what you said is what i mentioned earlier in a different way. Affordability and gap between the rich and the poor. Population..its all there.

People upgrade, yes rich people are being created. Downgrade? Havent seen anybody doing that within my circle of frens.

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post Jul 18 2013, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jul 17 2013, 11:31 PM)
Wow!! Really?!? If that's the case we're really heading for a bumpy ride... No wonder RM currency is dropping... The major portion of this liquidity would also go to unproductive purposes like corruption
And therefore value is already overstated in terms of prices which is further spilled to surrounding developments that is absorb by public consumption which is in turned fueled by???? Debt, debt and more debt... So when we remove everything in the middle of the equation... It becomes clear that a portion of what the consumers are borrowing and repaying is in actually fact paying for the multiple layers of corruption!!! Hmmmm... And we've got a bunch of up campers here promoting this? Does this imply that they are pro corruption? I hope not... I hope they aren't here to mislead the general public... Well what I'm happy to hear is we had someone commending DAP... Well done... As for the others who are indirectly pro corruption... Shame on you... smile.gif
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Yeah I really dunno what are you talking about here? So coruption is the cause of bubble? What? How are the up campers promoting this? Really don't get you. I guess I hav to be considered an up camper but I dun believe i suppport corruption. I boycotted buying cars because of this. In fact I asked to boycot car purchase in Malaysia becuase the car industry in Malaysia is full of corruption and is bleeding the rakyat dry, did you do that? I don't think so.

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