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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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ManutdGiggs
post Jun 23 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(lqcevox @ Jun 23 2013, 03:02 PM)
Less people drive then toll how to make profit? Hehehe
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Might charge vely high!!! Lotek oso ll b high too. Tis is possible as they ll copycat singaland.
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post Jun 24 2013, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Martinis @ Jun 24 2013, 09:54 AM)
Hi Lucerne,

It is hard to believe such appreciation rate. From 2002 to 2013, increase 10 times? In between this 11 year period, any correction before? Is your apartment in Xuijiahui considered the exceptional performers? What about other districts?
Thank you very much.
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Thou I hav not worked in SH like Lucerne boss, but 1 of my previous supplier did bot a land in 2009 and sold it 3 times the purchase price in 2011 at Guang Zhou. He scaled down his biz and moved to tian jin. But he went POKAI cos heavily spending those $$$ made fr the sales without reinvesting into props, or some other investment tools. China men r like tis. They think they can easily get another cheap prop to flip. However, they forget tat consistency is very important in props play. If onli hope for low entry with high exit, I dun think its wise in prop market.

Afterall noone can tell when is low and when is high.

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post Jun 27 2013, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 27 2013, 02:39 PM)
1300 physiology level???
I would see 1200 rather than 1300..... However way down to 700 where price start to pick up in 2009 there is also numerous support (depending which tools u want to use  tongue.gif )..... So when is a good time to enter, 1200? 1100? 1000? 850?  nobody kno..........  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
But I do see it will recover..... Jus 'sooner or later' question.....
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Wateva the price is, gold is just a simple pc of metal. Its behaviour in price is similar to stocks. Just digital.

Somehow props r tangible and valuable in a way. Unless war la. But if really war, apa pun susah liao. Any1 really think gold is tat useful during war??? If a person next to another know he has a gold bar, guess where the owner ll end up in??? Heaven or hell???
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post Jun 29 2013, 08:12 PM

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If loc is gd, it doesnt matter the current twnant goes away. Tats y loc is very important in prop.
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post Jun 30 2013, 10:49 AM

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U r not ready to b in rental play. Or r u a full time flipper??? Onli flipping??? If cant take risk in prop rental play, the best short cut is dun do anythg. Dun buy, no eye see no worries. Tat ll b very ideal.

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post Jun 30 2013, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 30 2013, 11:44 AM)
Don't do anything only no worries for short term..... After a few yrs, when they see the prop price getting higher, inflation keep going up and etc..... They'll be even more worried.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
That's wat we seeing some, if not, a lot ppl already worrying now.... All because they not doing anything few yrs ago......  brows.gif  brows.gif
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I suppose tis strategy ll suit him well. After price increase like hell, keep whining blaming cursing and take 0% risk in prop market especially rental play due to tenants might move away. So end up the cycle ll repeat again just like prop price ll drop or b adjusted 1 day which ll 1 day oso prove them rite. So keep himself away and tok more of gst with full of confident but limited knowledge might provide satisfaction to him. Dun do anythg in props. Its for ppl fr mars.
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post Jun 30 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 30 2013, 01:25 PM)
Great analogy. Apparently they choose to walk. It is the safest. But you will never reach the other side of the ocean.

And in the forum they tell people riding a boat is risky ! Who didn't know there is always risk in investment ?  laugh.gif
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In chinese, 便個吾知佢老母係女人
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post Jun 30 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jun 30 2013, 03:35 PM)
I thought that is Cantonese?..... tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Chinese shld be, 谁不知道老妈是女人  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Oopsi!!! drool.gif

Soli soli. Gua punya salah. cry.gif


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post Jun 30 2013, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 30 2013, 05:46 PM)
I also agree "build then sell" ! (now you write longer and I understand what you said  thumbup.gif )

DIBS means the developer adsorb interest expense during construction phase. So, the price of properties is imputed in the selling price (ie. price increase)

If you want "build then sell", not only does the developer need to bear the interest expense, they have to find banks to lend them money during the construction phase. So, instead of now DIBS interest mostly BLR - 2.4% = 4.2%, business loan is around 8%+. So the cost of construction is increased, and guess what ? The cost will be passed on to the consumers --> another round of price increase.

How you expect the price of property to come down ?
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Boss according to some of my bankers, banks r oso forced to giv bridging loan to big timer devs like ms sps uoa etc etc a special rate which is oso BLR-x.xx. So Dev actually dun suffer much even with BTS. But ll pass on cost to buyers with common bank interest charges.

Tats the best part in BTS. Even if u know Devs r making tats much but can't stop them fr launching higher price if BTS implemented. Higher price due to the higher risk and heavier cost which ll definitely pass onto purchasers. However, even so, I ll support tis BTS with my legs up too. We purchasers shouldn't dig out fr pocket b4 the products r finalized and handed over. No to support dibs in tis case but just tat, a reasonable deposit is sufficient for Devs to kick start a project and complete it if they wanna sell off 100%. In between buyers can save lotsa headache and its not bcos of dibs where u dun pay interest, but bcos of a higher possibility of completion of the project.

For current practice, v pay up front, v service interest, v face the defects, v face the risk of abandon projects, but devs enjoy many more than purchasers. A rich Dev ll transfer the 1st fund collected fr a project to buy lands or kick start a 2nd project. Not to say its unfair. In biz world, any1 who r smarter usually turn out to b winner.

Dunno if my povs r logic onot. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

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post Jul 1 2013, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 1 2013, 09:06 AM)
Has anybody noticed that bank valuations of new property launches have started to drop quite drastically in some areas? Is this a sign that the banks know something we dont?
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Tis part is true. My recent buy with very gd rebate got mof at 85. My fren bot it after dev pulled back the entire rebate package and submitted to the same banks as myself. He onli able to get mof at 70. Explained by most banks tat they now benchmark the 1st dev price.

So moral of the story. Isit a trick to clear all unit during 1st soft launching??? Encourage buyers to sapu it clean clean b4 the rebates period end???

Keke kalau mcm ni, peice up again b4 anymore announcement fr our beloved stupid gov. Kekeke
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 1 2013, 10:21 PM)
Ask BBB ppl they'll tell u still good buy.....
Ask DDD ppl they'll tell u it's going to fall.......
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Boss regardless up or down camp, loc stil play a big role here. So if loc no gd, I dun think up camp ll advise him to buy. But on the other hand, if loc darn gd, down camp ll stil wish for crash and most likely many down camp wont buy or buy quietly.
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post Jul 1 2013, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 1 2013, 10:29 PM)
DDD won't see BBB camper tat way oh..... In their definition of BBB camper is buy at all time at anywhere.....  tongue.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 2 2013, 08:50 AM)
I do hav one where many could hav read before too.....
I'll summarize it in my own words.....
A shoe manufacturer boss asked 2 sales person to do a survey in a 3rd world country....
N salesman came back telling the boss, "Boss, ppl there dont wear shoe! There is no market in this country!"
And P salesman came back telling the boss, "Boss, ppl there dont wear shoe! That is a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY!"
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Boss I heard of tat story in long version. I think u need to hav full version to make them understand lo. drool.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jul 2 2013, 09:26 AM)
Can't believe you come out with this statement as you claim that have bought this and that, you should have more knowledge and experience for this kind of calculation
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Somehow human made mistake forgetting bout expenses or charges.
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post Jul 3 2013, 06:30 AM

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Sooner or later somebody ll start checking on religion and comment if the belief allows buying props!!!
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post Jul 3 2013, 06:35 AM

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 2 2013, 11:36 PM)
from car, to philosophy and now back to macroeconomy  shocking.gif
USA is stil taiko and not china nor any of the bric or etc  rclxms.gif pls compare against dow jones performance
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/db818090-dc9e-11...l#axzz2XtnE6JC2
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=000001....urce=undefined;

ben says QE tapering is dependend on economy improvement. but the americans hav voted for obama and a continuation of welfare state  doh.gif
http://rt.com/usa/food-stamps-record-americans-119/
And the number of food stamp users has been creeping up every month, as millions of Americans continue to sink into poverty.
All-time records continue to be broken, and news agencies have largely stopped reporting on the rise in food stamps each month.

next presidential election is in yr 2016, so democrats anti-buss stil in power unless republicans win the senate in 2014
so we can rule out any improvement in their economy and the world too for the next 2-4 years
http://phys.org/news/2013-05-business-unce...-corporate.html
Businesses are uncertain about the yet-to-be-realized costs of policies such as health care, tax reform and environmental cap and trade as regulations take shape and are implemented..... Contrary to what some have argued, company access to capital is not the prevailing issue

those usa voters voted for change and they truly deserve it  nod.gif even bolehland gdp growth much better than usa
http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicindi...-statistics.htm
the tapering remarks gave mkt a jolt, so those doing acquisition or bond offering wil think twice. no worries, new fed boss oso like QE  drool.gif
http://www.wrapmanager.com/images/uploads/...arket_Gains.pdf
With Corporate America now raising about $2 trillion per year at attractive
rates (3% or less) in the bond market, many companies are awash with cash, with many are using to either buy back their
shares or to buy other companies.

does share buyback increase stock price? how do those co increase sales thru tis difficult period  brows.gif
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/market...evenue/2116147/
Cost-cutting is allowing companies to post another quarter of better-than-expected profit..... Revenue growth, though, is still missing

is QE relevant  laugh.gif depending on which side u r on. if pesimistic, sure negative la. if optimistic, then positive lo  icon_rolleyes.gif
http://ciovaccocapital.com/videos/qe/qevideopartfive.html
Federal Reserve’s QE program works. Primary broker-dealers, not banks, are the primary recipients of the Fed’s newly printed money. Hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, and high net worth investors all over the globe can participate in the Fed’s QE 2.0 process
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/07/81-5-...ng-the-economy/
81.5% of Money Created through Quantitative Easing Is Sitting There Gathering Dust … Instead of Helping the Economy
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Boss very gd sharing and explanation. And oso fair comments above. It's no doubt beta than some Econ.com.

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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ Jul 3 2013, 06:48 AM)

I am more interested in share market rather than prop due to its liquidity and the ability to short if things goes south. its good to see u understand qe, interest rate as most others find it difficult too  nod.gif Jesse Livermore says "The market is operating in future time. It has usually factored in current events". thus the dow at 15k is very telling  hmm.gif

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I'm oso vely much into stocks but maybe a lil diff fr your pov. My portfolio is props 70 : stocks 30 as for vested liquidity apart fr backup fund. Props in term of preserved value on paper is alwiz higher than stocks cos I might face some losing counters along the way. In another word, volatility for stocks.

However, I prefer oversea stocks than klci. It's kinda bs for the up n down here. But oso bcos of tis, I get to pick up some dead chic in klci. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jul 3 2013, 08:07 AM)
Was puzzled why nobody talked about women yet  laugh.gif
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Soon ga la. Giv some time for them to find out 1st. tongue.gif oopsi. U just mentioned??? drool.gif Think it wont take too long to c someone starting this WOMEN factor. rclxub.gif
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Sales figure fr HK exports. Not sure if any1 need tis to argue for the price movement of props. sweat.gif

1 thg to take note, thou price for gold plunged more than 20% and many HKees or cinamen grabbed tonnes of gold, but stil the retail side didnt show attractive figures. Remember, it gold which cost high value. Huge volumn with lower pricing ll nvr boost figures. Some bizmen ll und tis especially if u r in raw mat industries. brows.gif

Of cos, comments and criticisms are welcomed. I'm no economists. So cant write panjang lebar to show any sense. Just ignore me if I'm wrong. icon_rolleyes.gif

Paiseh paiseh. tongue.gif

For gold price over the yr: http://www.bullionvault.com/gold-price-chart.do

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jul 3 2013, 08:07 AM)
Your chicken takes 20+ years to hatch ? What an egg you have. Is it from Neptune ?  laugh.gif

Seriously, there are many report cards during your life. But it seems to you there is only 1 ultimate report card to sum up your success - the report card at the time you die. Where got fun like that ? If you made money during 1987, then that is a report card. The chicken has hatched. If you lost money during 1997, then that is another report card. You egg is rotten. Do you cry over your rotten egg ? No ! You accept it, look forward, and work harder to redeem the money you loss !

Bro, many people survived the downturn during 1987, 1997 and 2008, and emerge stronger ! Only people who have experienced the downturn will be confident of how to manage crisis. And they will say there is nothing to be afraid of during economic crisis as long as you are prepared for it. Economic crisis is not the end of the world. It is a phenomenon in economics. It WILL happen one day. If you are afraid of economic downturn, then you will be stucked at where you stand forever. Because economic downturn is 100% sure to hit us one day

Embraced the negative happenings in your life and ride through it. That is how a man grow up.

I know no amount of words can convince you now, until you have actually seen yourself through 1 economic crisis and emerge stronger. Then it will change your view on your life.

On a positive note, you wrote longer now to express yourself which shows you are more confident on the subject. Keep it up !  thumbup.gif
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Pls allow me to add in short: 乱世英雄. Not every1 ll lose during crisis. Many make big bucks. rclxm9.gif

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