sorry, basher's quote are ignored. I won't trust a word of bashers. I only believe machines and actual result. there's one car overheated after tuning by using premix collant and ok after a full coolant flush

refering to this, I have to clarify that the VIM is done on "emulation" ( didn't I mentioned it before? I do remember I said that) which is controlled by electronic throttle. while real VIM is what we can see on the display engine in KLIMS which the tube is in gold color.

the result is as what you seen in the torque chart after tuning. a near flat curve between 4000 to 5500 rpm and not only a max torque point. which I already stated before. someone posted the torque chart on pg 8. So i assume mine is not so important to post up ATM. until my internet line is restored.

Did I made myself clear on the VIM thing?

I do not wish to creat havoc here. but when someone said campro worth nothing on performance, I do have to it clear to it coz it's not the case when you refering to me and my other friends who owns Gen2. from 1.3 to 1.6 HL.

ppl like Vexxx which will only post -ve comment is an act of bashers. I do hope this kind of ppl canchange their attitude and don't act stupid.

thanks ulet and others for some statement. I will revise back how does the VIM thing run in emulation and why my mechanics shows that so called VIM settings to me

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=108939<--- please click this to see the torque chart. lower one is before tuning anf upper one is after tuning. after tuned campro comes with a torque range without even need the VVT or CPS thingie. this is not my car's chart yet, wanna contact the owner and buy his engine at million??????

dude, is this justify all your thought? and as I said, FOR THIS PARTICULAR MOMEMT I CANNOT UPLOAD ANY ATTACHMENT YET. and unless you pay me to go cafe, I won't do it.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 8 2006, 11:33 PM

that was funny, why a lot of ppl told me that the black steel pipe is for VIM? ok, i'm totally confused.

dude, my office line prohibited any data burst or my terminal will be barred from internet for a few days. Sometimes i do wonder, aren't you ppl knows IT? need me to explain any further?

from what i understand, intan matang's tuning is not up to what Hijawan or trendpoint provide. they just merely boost up the idle timing to give a false impression.

this is feedback from some G2C member.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 8 2006, 11:48 PM

dude, prove me you're not bashers. I already shows my minimal respect by not totally post up yous name.

oh, yeah, Campro sux till ppl compared it with mazda 3 in taiwan.

campro do not have the ability to beat B16x series engine. No pickup, yeah, most of the Gen2 out there have a relatively bad performance.

seems like most of the ppl don't buy the fact that campro is very flexible especially on ECU settings. last thing to tell you all is Campro's ECU do come with MAT sensor. which means the car is pre-equiped with turbo friendly ECU.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 8 2006, 11:45 PM

i'm too stingy and hate the environment of cafe. or you come and have a meetup, i have a handful of GEN2 owner acknowledged your ignorance and willing to show you your ignorance.

I'm back. about the VIM thing, I do aware that there's an misleading info. I will get in touch with the mechs who told me all these things and ask him to explain this VIM stuff.

As far as I know, I do understand that the VIM works by it's practical design. but honestly I never acknowledged by the mechs where is it located, and that's why I would like to ask anyone qho knows the PDT and how the campro is tuned to explain. and why is the flat torque curve shown after tuning. but you guys never corrent all these but instead keep on said that i'm a plain cheater, con man blah blah, which makes me really upset and annoyed. Some even keep on forcing me by showing the chart which I promised to post up ONLY after i get my streamyx. What's the point again?

I'm still seeking an answer of how does an engine with no CPS & VIM achieve a flat torque curve and the 80% torque margin is maintain on a wide band. and do not saying some stupid thing like have to tune blah blah. there's a lot of cars out there can't even alter their ECU settings.

I do hope when I'm sharing something, ppl can reply with their honest and not emotionally.

Anyone are welcome to pay me a visit and there's some other owner acknowledged the mishap over here and do willing to show their joy for owning a GEN2.

but pal, someone DID shown that the tuned Campro with nearly 2000rpm flat torque curve! Even without mine?

So why still not believe?

Dude, did you ask me to go TT? PM me plz. I never see your any post asking me for TT.

I will try to arrange as many tuned Gen2 as possible and also some Savvy. if you all are curiuos.

.........I won't say that. as I understand that VTEC is a matured technology, even new Campro with CPS will not have the same achieve as it does. Look at F22C on S-2000.....

Dyno not expensive lah......RM90 only. it will be expensive when u use Stupid AFC to tune from Dyno..... I see Most of the P2 cars did it.

1)I do understand the Current S4PH does not have the VIM mechanisam. But My mech assures me that By manipulating the Throttle body, it can achieve the VIM effect..... I will say it has the VIM because that dude shows me something in PDT(Proton Diagnostic tools for who don't know) that convinced me that it can do something like VIM. Which has effect on Pneumatic drag and resonance effect. I will confirm with him. But not now because he's not in KL. So, can you just let me confirm with my mech when I have the time and just halt this on comment??

2) Dude, I tot someone had shown the Dyno Chart before me?


What the hell is this?????

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 11 2006, 10:21 AM

dude, if you ever know a campro, you'll know, this chart is not done by modification!

even it is, the figure here shown can only be spark plug and filter element only! If u think I'm bluffing, Plz Visit Speedworks @ J.222 PJ, they have a complete chart on Gen2 Improvement for every modification. Currently their highest stage is Campro Turbo which so far achieved 194BHP and it's not yet fine tuned.

Now this start to question me, whenever you ppl said how expert are you all on campro, but you ppl not even know what is PDT????

If anyone can proof that the campro Throttle body is controlled by cable pulley which is what i meant mechanically, I EAT MY OWN ENGINE! else shut up plz. Mr K
The electronically i meant is Computer controlled Servo on Throttle body like the Civic 2006!!!

Ok, i start to believe this dude is bullcraping, I might go to CoE for a visit. coz this dude start to tell me that the Campro is equipped with CPS, and it's profile are changed at around 5000rpm. he shown me the PDT figure (again.....) so, I keep my word on how the shit of the VIM and SPC is happening. he had too much jargon which I don even understand. I think the best bet is go to CoE or Tg malim for a visit.

And where's the dude said that he wanna TT with me? Plz arrange it. It's not easy to call most of my member out for showdown.

sorry for multi posting, I will use up the edit button next time.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 15 2006, 07:37 AM

i went there coz i made comparison with other PE's service dealer. So far the only dude that the tuning skill is on par with Hijawan is the one i said at pekeliling. I admit he's service is blood sucking coz everytime i went there, there's sure a lot of stuff to change. but after comparison, I can say parts cost are actually almost the same. So, up to u if U wanna go, no harm for me.

Ask that dude to try his car wheel spin on 2nd gear. hahahahahaha

oh, gosh...plz visit Speedworks for more detail. I'm not pro enough to explain to all the campro pros in Lowyat.net which don't even know the characteristics of modded campro.

and the dude i'm trying to argue with VIM and CPS things show me this:
http://www.proton.com/innovation/rnd/campro.php

Now i do start to think that i shouldn't waste my time here as someone just think that I'm a clown or something and make joke of me?

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 16 2006, 12:00 AM

okay, I'm not trying to argue with the CPS thingie. but if a dude (and remember that this dude is not from Hijawan) which can really prove to me that by tuning the ECU, the car can achieve a far more better performance. Who do i believe? you ppl from an IT FORUM or an ECU engineer?

and i've ask extensively this time about the CPS and VIM. he said while the VIM is controlled the Electronic throttle body and there's some special intake routings which is hidden behind the engine and can't show to me, The CPS system he showed me how does it works by showing a valve tappet extracted from a faulty campro engine.

The basic concept of the CPS is from the Lotus and the system is currently used in The Porsche's VarioCam Plus. one of the plus on this CPS system is it's simplicity compared to japanese design. The CPS engaging mechanism is just a additional ring with tappet to lock the ring into the valve when the high cam lobe is needed. and The profile is switched at between 4000rpm to 5000rpm whenever the ECU seems fit. I've done some research before i typed these in and indeed the Porsche variocam is same as the campro CPS and it's used under license of Proton/Lotus.

unfortunately, the stock ECU is not properly configured and sadly, not many techies out there knows how to deal with this because they simply do not think much about this campro engine. but some of the senior Service Advisor which attended the campro ECU Training will realized that there's some settings to properly activate the system and fine tune the throttle body settings. Some of the ECU even had a totally wrong software inside such as manual car but fitted with auto settings or vice versa. chich caused the majority critics of the underpower.

i called up the i-care center for conformation and as ulet said, they deny the CPS and VIM thing on Campro. but further interrogation on the phone prove that they do not have the necessary technical skill to answer my problem and just said: "I will get back with you on this" which I still yet to wait for an answer.

if you still think i'm bluffing, laugh your socks off and just ignore whatever i said. i will not trying to prove anything else as most of the ppl here just acted like i'm ignorant.

and I'm still waiting the PM that asking me for a ride. My fellow gen2 Clan and I am more than willing to prove that Stock Standard ECU tuned Gen2 can really shine.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 18 2006, 07:35 PM

I will be more than willing to show you when I had the line, but what do u guys responded? you guys just thought that I'm a mere joker?!

After numerous thread around the F&F, I've seen you all does not favour that the gen2 is in fact better than you think. I forseen that even I shown the dyno, you all will still think that it's photo chopped and whatsoever.

if you all upsetted me, why should I care for the demand anymore? Just wait until i had the line and mood to post it up. dude

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 19 2006, 09:02 PM