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azranashraf
post Jun 21 2013, 04:25 PM

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post Jun 21 2013, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Tamatamana @ Jun 21 2013, 01:47 PM)
It's a good time for them to learn new heroes, as long as no one rages at them too hard. It's better to have a mic to guide them though, typing would waste too much time teaching someone a new hero.
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IMHO an IH isnt the time to be learning a new hero, that's what bot matches are for until you are comfortable, guides on dotafire, playdota and MM. When you are pretty good with a hero, then you can consider playing it in an IH. Plus for IH you should at least know the basics of game mechanics and positioning (last hitting, denying, lane equilibrium, pulling/stacking, rotation, tp response, warding (defensive and aggressive), dewarding, smoke ganks etc).
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(flabbergasted @ Jun 21 2013, 03:59 PM)
I missed out the games yesterday, but managed to watch first few mins of 1st game, and most of game 2.

I'll comment on game 2 since I saw most of the game.

I think the teams were too uneven (skillwise). Mid lane, TA owned QOP too much, which isn't supposed to happen. Top lane, bat was farming good, but so was mag, which isn't supposed to happen. Bat should be able to farm + dominate the lane by stopping mag from farming.
In the bottom trilane, radiant won the lane too. KOTL + PL is normally a strong lane and should be able to fight vs silencer + naga + orge magi lane (sorry forgot last dire hero).

Draft was ok, just that there was a huge gap in player's skill in the two teams.

Just my 2 cents.
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I was the QOP, we also had no wards at the top river, Ogre rotated mid, but none of our supports rotated for mid gank. We still had walking courier at 5 mins etc..I think I was spending more time typing than playing.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:31 PM

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FWIW I jumped straight into MM during my time in DoTA1 to learn the game... bots are too predictable (even with the AI+ maps back then)

EDIT: Point is, Dota2 bots are even more predictable/basic that it doesn't teach you about certain aspects of the game like map awareness, ganking, etc... you'd be too focused on playing the hero itself

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QUOTE(ShaolinTiger @ Jun 21 2013, 04:29 PM)
I was the QOP, we also had no wards at the top river, Ogre rotated mid, but none of our supports rotated for mid gank. We still had walking courier at 5 mins etc..I think I was spending more time typing than playing.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(ShaolinTiger @ Jun 21 2013, 04:29 PM)
I was the QOP, we also had no wards at the top river, Ogre rotated mid, but none of our supports rotated for mid gank. We still had walking courier at 5 mins etc..I think I was spending more time typing than playing.
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sorry man, bane here from 2nd game ytd. wanted to rotate, but pl got harassed badly, so i had to focus deny and keeping pl alive, lol
and laning wise if bat and you swapped lane, outcome would be better imo.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Jun 21 2013, 04:37 PM)
sorry man, bane here from 2nd game ytd. wanted to rotate, but pl got harassed badly, so i had to focus deny and keeping pl alive, lol
and laning wise if bat and you swapped lane, outcome would be better imo.
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Yah totally agree, we would have been better with bat mid and something else top offlane vs mag. Or even if we just swapped it probably would have been better. I played bad too tho, swings and roundabouts heh.
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post Jun 21 2013, 04:51 PM

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u know, when i draft, i usually check the dotabuff page for the people im drafting for. i just pick simply hero without the needs or outstanding combination. naga sleep mag walk and ulti, i always be the bait first so people will feel more comfortable going in.

maybe next time drafter should practice this. mati byk bukan salah pun.

and btw, i dont think bat can win ta at mid lane. skuller ta was good to beat even qop/bat at mid. take extra range and -armor, bat come dive and dying.

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post Jun 21 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(ShaolinTiger @ Jun 21 2013, 04:27 PM)
IMHO an IH isnt the time to be learning a new hero, that's what bot matches are for until you are comfortable, guides on dotafire, playdota and MM. When you are pretty good with a hero, then you can consider playing it in an IH. Plus for IH you should at least know the basics of game mechanics and positioning (last hitting, denying, lane equilibrium, pulling/stacking, rotation, tp response, warding (defensive and aggressive), dewarding, smoke ganks etc).
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Playing with bots doesn't really teach you much besides hero skills since their items and patterns are way too predictable. The skills you mention should definitely be learned from players better than themselves that guide them. Being in the normal bracket most of my teammates don't even carry tp scrolls. 135 gold gonna delay your dagon kotl for sure when you're stealing all the farm from the carry.
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:53 PM

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Ya I hate bots...always 5 man! vmad.gif

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post Jun 21 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Tamatamana @ Jun 21 2013, 04:58 PM)
Playing with bots doesn't really teach you much besides hero skills since their items and patterns are way too predictable. The skills you mention should definitely be learned from players better than themselves that guide them. Being in the normal bracket most of my teammates don't even carry tp scrolls. 135 gold gonna delay your dagon kotl for sure when you're stealing all the farm from the carry.
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That's why I mentioned using bots to learn new heroes..not to learn the game.

At least you get can comfortable with a heroes skill usage, ranges, combos etc. It won't teach you much about the game, but you can use it for basic drills (last hitting, pulling/stacking etc).

And yes, that's why I'm waiting for the rumoured DOTA2 mentor system, which should be implemented by volvo some time soon. The guild system will help too, giving new players more access to experienced players.

Then perhaps we can get more balanced IH games smile.gif Like yesterdays game, in serious IH I play support only, sometimes utility - never mid. Because against a proper mid like SKuller, I'll get owned. I can stomp medium/high level players, but a proper mid player - no they will beat me.

So yah, we have a way to go.

And pls..more people join IXDL SEA, I'd love it to be active smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2013, 05:56 PM

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What's IXDL SEA?
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post Jun 21 2013, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Ahmaz @ Jun 21 2013, 05:56 PM)
What's IXDL SEA?
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Inhouse league made by ixmike88. http://ixdl.net/
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post Jun 21 2013, 09:15 PM

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post Jun 21 2013, 11:00 PM

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post Jun 21 2013, 11:47 PM

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post Jun 21 2013, 11:49 PM

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post Jun 21 2013, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(am3rr @ Jun 21 2013, 11:50 PM)
wtf mode jom
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Which one is you?

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post Jun 21 2013, 11:55 PM

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