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 Prospective Law Students Gateway V2, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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BravoZeroTwo
post Apr 25 2013, 08:51 AM

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Will you be able to pin this Ver. 2 under Education Essential ? Thanks.

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Thank you once again for your good effort. Cheers.
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post Apr 28 2013, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 28 2013, 01:35 AM)
To answer your question at V1 thread, i have just started my pupillage.  smile.gif
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Congrats. What's the path you took after A levels leading to your pupillage now ?
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post Apr 28 2013, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(Seb_back2back @ Apr 28 2013, 01:47 AM)
I happen to know an MMU LLB graduate that is currently practising law.
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May be you can share with us they performance and quality of work if you can ? Thanks.
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post May 8 2013, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ May 7 2013, 11:11 PM)
After A-levels, I enrolled into UK transfer degree program and subsequently completed Certificate in Legal Practice.
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Thanks for your reply. Was it 2+1 or 1+2 programme ?
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post May 9 2013, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(silwen @ May 9 2013, 08:29 AM)
Compared to what Law school and now, the BPTC is throwing at me, I think the amount of work I put into A level exams in a month is what I do in a week. Hopefully this strained comparison would give you an idea as to what it's like.

My advice though, do not ever shun hard work and challenges.
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silwen,
Can you share your route in L.LB leading to BPTC ? Thanks.
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post May 11 2013, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(silwen @ May 11 2013, 03:20 AM)
A levels- 3 sciences and math
LLB- just trolled around and didn't study much. I went cycling, climbing and running. Saw the sights and read some non-law related matters throughout the year.
Got into the BPTC- now it's tough stuff. Hope to pass it.

I note that I was relaxed and active through A levels, being social and active.
Uni was a little harder; reading was wide and deep, never had time to finish everything so I had to pick and choose my focuses in studying. I behaved more reclusively. I do recall regularly running about 40km a week though, so that consumed quite a lot of time and energy. Had an injury, gave up running and took up cycling and did about 100+km a week of it. You can imagine I am not the most focused of students.

As for the BPTC, intellectually it's not massively challenging but the work is voluminous. It's a very hands on course and I am enjoying it thoroughly.

In terms of hours of work per week, A levels 30-40 hours.
Uni- up to about 50 or so hours, got away with 35-40 most weeks and about 60 during exam periods.
BPTC- 60 hours a week consistently; no holidays. Hardest thing I have done to date.

If work for the next 40 years is like the BPTC is in terms of having to daily absorb new material and law, I'll could foresee burn out. Even my tutors who are part time judges find the course fairly demanding.

Hope this gives you some sort of gauge.
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Thanks for the insight. You did all A level, L.LB in London ? Is it difficult to get a place for BPTC ?
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post May 11 2013, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(wong6516 @ May 10 2013, 10:42 PM)
jst my 2 cents~
hard?

since you are in this thread,implying you wanted to take LLB in future,LAW and english literature will be my recommended must take subject,coz A LEVEL law covered half of your first year subjects, and one of your second year subjects,even though it is just basic,but it could help a lot in understanding...ENG lit,why? coz it train you to read piles or piles of books,poem and increase your language level (implying you are a typical ordinary spm school leaver),having a good command in english really could ease your language barrier and burden a lot..i know coz i suffered and went through it by hardway... sweat.gif
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Was told that A level Law is a soft subject, therefore do not take it if one wants to take L.LB ?
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post May 11 2013, 07:42 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 11 2013, 02:36 AM)
Just LLB.

Now pursing BPTC and another professional qualification all the way
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chiahau,
Which other professional course is your friend pursuing ? Thanks.
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post May 11 2013, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(silwen @ May 11 2013, 03:20 AM)

In terms of hours of work per week, A levels 30-40 hours.
Uni- up to about 50 or so hours, got away with 35-40 most weeks and about 60 during exam periods.
BPTC- 60 hours a week consistently; no holidays. Hardest thing I have done to date.

If work for the next 40 years is like the BPTC is in terms of having to daily absorb new material and law, I'll could foresee burn out. Even my tutors who are part time judges find the course fairly demanding.

Hope this gives you some sort of gauge.
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Does the wages from your part time work enough to cover your stay and studies over there ? Thanks.
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post May 11 2013, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(silwen @ May 11 2013, 11:39 AM)
Pardon, I don't mean work, I meant studies = work. If you have time to work proper, you're looking at some really tough time. However, I do know people who work and they did ok, no time for hobbies though.

I decided to do my A levels in KL and went on to do my undergraduate degree in the UK.

As for the BPTC, I had 3 offers from the three schools I applied to, 2 of them were in London and one regional. Based on hearsay, this is relatively uncommon; most only get 1 offer. I did my applications in 2 very stressful days (don't leave it to the last minute).

Also, nobody recommends, and it is often discouraged actually, that one do A level Law. Frankly though, I would just go for what I feel most comfortable with in A levels (I did 3 sciences because I knew I was good at that).
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Suffice to say that it is not difficult to get a place into BPTC in the UK so long as you meet the requirement ? Thanks.
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post May 14 2013, 10:05 AM

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Has anyone read law in Australia and subsequently practising in Oz ? What's the path to enroute for one to practice over there ? Thanks.
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post Jul 23 2013, 07:38 PM

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Thanks, cnvery for the update.
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post Sep 25 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(cyh03176 @ Sep 25 2013, 10:10 AM)
I just graduated with my law degree in the UK and I am now a BPTC student. I am very upset now. I wonder if choosing the BPTC is a better choice over the CLP since even if we pass the BPTC we still have to come back to Malaysia to practice and other countries like Hong Kong and Singapore only recognise their own Bar Examination.

Can someone enlighten me please? sad.gif
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Can you practice in the UK after your BPTC ? Have you considered doing your Solicitor's course over in the UK instead ? Thanks.
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post Sep 26 2013, 10:13 AM

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Thanks guys for the infor asked.
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post Oct 2 2013, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 1 2013, 09:52 PM)
similar question to previous.

they are so different in terms of content. "job prospect differences"? it doesn't really matter what subjects you read during your LLB...it does more to serve you in determining which areas you think you might be interested in.

I chose juris, company, succession and EU for my third year in the external UOL LLB.
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Why did you take EU ? Does it have any relevance to our M'sian laws ? Thanks.
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post Oct 3 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 2 2013, 10:48 AM)
no relevance to local law. wanted option to do bvc, but decided against it.
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What is BVC ? Why did you change your mind thereafter ? Thanks.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 2 2013, 10:48 AM)
no relevance to local law. wanted option to do bvc, but decided against it.
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What is BVC ? Why did you change your mind thereafter ? Thanks.
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post Oct 3 2013, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 3 2013, 01:30 PM)
bvc = called bptc at present.

i was 80% certain I wanted to do corporate work, so didn't want to spend an extra rm80 to 100k on something I don't need. Took CLP instead. But just did it, in case I changed my mind throughout the year. options are important at times.
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Meaning you just sat for BPTC after your passing of CLP ? Thanks.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 3 2013, 04:07 PM)
err, no, meant did eu law in case i change my mind. obviously, if money is not an issue, i would still recommend doing bptc over clp, even if you intend to do corporate. i forgot 80% of the things i learnt in clp within a few weeks from the exam.
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May I know which area of corporate work are you handling now ? Thanks.

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post Oct 4 2013, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 3 2013, 07:06 PM)
banking and finance. i do mainly syndicated/bilateral loans (incl acquisition/project financing) and bond/sukuk issuances. I do some other work here and there (advisory and the occassional involvement in mergers & acquisitions), but not worth mentioning.
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Hi alsree786,
Thanks for sharing. How long have you practicing ?

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