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 Prospective Law Students Gateway V2, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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BravoZeroTwo
post Oct 7 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 4 2013, 02:41 PM)
a lil over 2 years. pupillage was mostly liti work, and I didn't like it...after pupillage, switched to corporate.
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I reckon you are attach to fairly large firm for you to do those corporate work mentioned earlier ?
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post Oct 7 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 7 2013, 02:42 PM)
Yes, that is right.

Very few small firms can do such work, not only because the partners in such firms do not have sufficient experience or capacity to handle the same, but large MNCs, GLCs and the likes prefer bigger law firms because of professional indemnity and continuity concerns. Some of these large scale financing (notably project financing) can run up to a couple of years.
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My take is that your employer did take into consideration of your results both L.LB and CLP ? Thanks.
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post Oct 8 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 7 2013, 06:42 PM)
Yes that is right along with any other experience/qualifications that you may have. Also together with other factors which they had assessed during the interview I presume.

Some firms will only consider those with a minimum of 2:1 unless that person has strong prior working experience or other qualifications (or otherwise comes highly recommended). If you're a straight up 2:2 with a BPTC/CLP, certain firms might not bother giving a second look at your application.
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alsree786,
What is the biggest challenge to be successful in the law practice ? Do you think our homeland has enough rooms to contain so many lawyers (or is it having a shortage of practicing lawyers out there) ? Thanks.
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post Oct 9 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 9 2013, 11:51 AM)
Challenge? hmmm, objectively, the long hours I presume (especially in mid-sized to large firms). You will need stamina. Lawyers are service providers, and are frontliners. Even after 30 years of practice, you still gotta do what your client says and wants and the market is competitive, and will be more so once the foreign firms come in, even though their licences are restricted to certain areas of work.

There are a variety of factors that result in long hours. When I say long hours, I mean a  minimum of 70-80 hour work weeks. Honestly, lawyers in Malaysia don't get paid that much, and we're probably around the same as in house lawyers up to a certain level, so when you put in so many more hours a week, just be sure that that is what you want to be doing. My friend for example is an in-house lawyer. He does a 9am to 6.30pm most days with the occassional 9am to 7.30pm or 8pm. I do a 9am to 9pm most days with the occassional 9am to 1am.

And even after putting in those hours, you realise that there is a whole bunch of things you don't really know.

There is no shortage of lawyers, just shortage of good, focused lawyers. But I think what is equally important is that Malaysia lacks good legal support staff. When you start practicing, you'll realise how important a good conveyancing clerk, or IP executive or even your secretary is. Every lawyer only has so many hours a day.
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alsree786,
Appreciate your insight shared here with me. What's making you a lawyer instead ? For the love of law by choice or by default ? 1,000 lawyers are churned out into the legal profession each year. I think that's a lot of numbers.
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post Oct 9 2013, 11:45 AM

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alsree786,
when you said a lot are crap, do you mean they knowledge, communication skill, command of language, attitude that lead to their failures let alone falling out of the legal profession as 50% will leave after 5 years ? Thanks.
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post Oct 11 2013, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 11 2013, 04:51 PM)
I did not do the BPTC nor did I really read much on it.

But my take is, if money is not a concern, do the bptc. exposure would be better, and it is practical knowledge. The clp is a pretty useless programme and not worth the stress. I have done ACCA and the UOL LLB, but the CLP is more stressful than either of them, imho. plus, if you do bptc, you will have the benefit of a stronger alumni, especially (i think) for Middle and Lincoln's in Malaysia...seem to have pretty good alumni here.
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You completed your ACCA qualification thereafter, you proceeded with the L.Lb and CLP exams ? Thanks.
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post Oct 12 2013, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 11 2013, 11:07 PM)
Yes, that is right. Decided accounting wasn't for me although I was already a full ACCA member at one point.
Practicing in a mid sized firm in KL. Wouldn't want to disclose my firm name here, although you could easily find that out.

Yes, the CLP is not easy because of the sheer bulk. Usually students fail not because it was difficult but usually because they just couldn't remember. If the LPQB could spread the exams over a lil longer period, with say 2 days in between each paper, the passing rates would be much better coz its 90% memory work.
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Did you manage to practice as an Accountant before ?
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post Oct 16 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 16 2013, 12:38 PM)
Yes, I was a financial accountant for a bit.
It is one of those programmes where almost all students don't really care what grades they get so long as they pass the papers. To me, it really doesn't matter whether you're the top CLP student or the lowest of the second lowers.
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But alsree786, does the future law firm look at your CLP results ? I mean those medium firms and up. Thanks.
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post Oct 16 2013, 04:28 PM

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Hi alsree786,
once again thanks for your input. were you a part time student for your L.LB duration ? cheers.
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post Oct 22 2013, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 21 2013, 07:05 PM)
I was a full time student for the most part.

Getting a job in the legal industry in Malaysia is relatively easy at present (vs say IB). The most important thing is to get a good Master/Supervising Partner. The salary scale among the mid sized to large firms is more or less within 10 to 20% of each other. What matters is how much you learn from those around you because if you remain a lawyer, sooner than you think you will either be a partner of that firm or making that leap to start out on your own.
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Hi alsree786,
What's IB ? Thanks.
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post Oct 22 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Oct 22 2013, 11:18 AM)
Investment banking......
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Thanks. lol blush.gif
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post Nov 6 2013, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(juststayreal @ Nov 5 2013, 11:20 PM)
http://www.bac.edu.my/index.php/brickfield...rsity-of-london

5 SPM Credits (including English) or equivalent and
2 'A' Levels / STPM Principals or equivalent / Recognised Diplomas / Degrees.

so yeah, just join the 1st year of UOL/UKT programme.
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Where are you reading your law degree ?
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post Feb 21 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(LawBoy @ Feb 21 2014, 04:07 AM)
Hey guys, I'm currently in my final year of llb in local uni. And I'm actually more interested to further for Master in UK. So anyone here knows how can I do that? I mean, for starter, I should take IELTS right?

Thanks in advance for helping.
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Congrats there. May I know which University you are studying for your Law degree now ? Thanks.
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post Mar 25 2014, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Lucidus @ Mar 25 2014, 02:07 AM)
Guys, I have a question.

I graduated mid last year, local IPTA.

I haven't started my chambering since then.

My question is, is there any rules stating that an LLB student should start chambering within certain period of time after graduation?

Thanks in advance.
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May I know you graduated from which University ?
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post Mar 25 2014, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(Perfect-Stranger @ Mar 25 2014, 04:52 PM)
Please refer to the list of approved universities by Ministry of Law (Singapore).
You need a full degree.
(Full 3 years of legal studies in that University, if you are a twinning program student, forget it)
None of Malaysia's Universities in the list, except UM. (You must have started your legal course in the year of 1994)

Singapore
National University of Singapore
Singapore Management University

United Kingdom
University of Birmingham
University of Bristol
University of Cambridge
University of Durham
University of Exeter
University of Leeds
University of Leicester
University of Liverpool
King’s College, London, University of London
London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London
Queen Mary and Westfield College, University of London
School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London
University College, University of London
University of Manchester
University of Nottingham
University of Oxford
University of Sheffield
University of Southampton
University of Warwick

Australia
Australian National University
Flinders University
Monash University
Murdoch University
University of Melbourne
University of New South Wales
University of Queensland
University of Sydney
University of Tasmania
University of Western Australia

New Zealand
University of Auckland
Victoria University of Wellington

United States of America
Columbia University
Harvard University
New York University
University of Michigan

Certain law degrees from the following universities will also be recognised if you commenced the course of study leading to the degree before 1st January 1994:

Canada
Osgoode Hall, University of York
University of Toronto

Hong Kong
University of Hong Kong

Malaysia
University of Malaya
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Which part shows twinning programme not accepted or recognised ? Thanks.

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post Mar 26 2014, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Perfect-Stranger @ Mar 25 2014, 11:22 PM)
If you are looking at to be qualified for the admission of the Singapore Bar, please refer to http://www.mlaw.gov.sg/practising-as-a-law...ion/req/qp.html

To make it simple for you, if you are a UK twinning programme student (from recognized university by Ministry of Law SG), please refer to the following : - (CHECK OUT THE BOLD SENTENCES)
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Thanks, Bro for your help. Appreciate that.

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post Mar 26 2014, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Lucidus @ Mar 25 2014, 11:38 PM)
UM. Is there any difference according to uni?
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What holds you back from chambering may I ask ?
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QUOTE(ShamanLee @ May 7 2014, 03:58 PM)
My dream when i was a kid is to be a lawyer but i end up studying in training center at http://www.eximia.fi/ which give me a lot of knowledge in medical.
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Hi, what are you studying now ?
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post Jul 4 2014, 03:50 PM

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Eazy,
Why did you say that it is notoriously difficult to do the English Bar ? I mean if you meet the pre-requisite requirement. Thanks.
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post Jul 4 2014, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Eazy @ Jul 4 2014, 06:16 PM)
Okay, maybe i'm exaggerating when using the world 'notorious'. 'Quite' might be a better choice of words.

And I'm thinking it's because of the fixed quota?  And the minimum requirement is 2:2
I'm thinking it will be hard to enter the Bar if I'm getting below a 2:1.

Quoting Wikipedia:

In 2008/09
2,540 students applied for the BVC,
1,749 received a place,

1,330 passed the BVC,
562 received pupillage,
497 gained tenancy.

And that was around five years ago. Who knows what the numbers are like now.
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Thanks for sharing here, Eazy. Which university did you graduate from ? If I may ask here, what's the cost like in total in UK ? What's the procedure of applying for the Bar course ? Thanks.

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