This would depend solely on your A Level results, or sometimes even your Pre-U results, as in the case of Reading University. It is not 'difficult' provided you meet the requirements of your chosen university. Of course, in most cases, it will be better (and sometimes required of you) to exceed the requirements since many other students will be applying as well. The higher your results exceed the requirements, the greater you'll be guaranteed placement.



If your results do not already meet the requirements of your foreign university of choice, or if you're having financial issues, then it may be best to go with a twinning programme in order to get there. While it does not offer you the immediate selection of any university in the world, it will offer you easier access into a foreign university that's recognised by the twinning programme.

If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a PM. I just completed year 2 of my UKTD.

If you have financial issues, just stay and do everything here unless you can get full scholarship from liverpool.

This post has been edited by red123: Jun 24 2014, 09:25 AM

Full scholarship from University of Liverpool? Mind explaining more on this?

University of hertfordshire or University of Hull?

Ranking wise Hull is slightly better, but name wise hertfordshire seems more well-known.

I need some advice

HELP get one full scholar, INTI get one full scholar not sure if there are other colleges which get.

Do you happen to know what are the requirements?

score well in year 1 and 2 I think.

Anyone knows what are the core subjects I must pass in order to be qualified to take CLP?

Err, if you don't pass core subject, how can you graduate?

Dude. Check out the Legal Profession Qualifying Board website. They have all the requirements listed down there.

Okay, I so I have applied to Backfields Asia College Twinning Program, and I will be putting in as much effort a I can into getting a First Class.

But I have to enquire, what are my choices after getting my LLB?
I am aware that it is notoriously hard to get into the UK Bar Professional Training Course. But this is my target as of now. I'm planning to practice overseas, and the UK Bar seems like the obvious choice.
And after reading multiple articles online, it was said that in general, CLP graduates are sub-par due to the 100% examination based system, despite the extremely low passing rate, causing the graduates to be lacking in practical experience.
And for some reason, people are grouping CLP graduates with local universities graduates, those who do were not required to sit for CLP.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but it is a widely accepted fact that local university law graduates exempted from CLP are inferior compared to law graduates from the private universities.

So my questions are:
If I'm doing the UK Bar, by the off-chance that I'm able to get into it in the first place, and actually pass it, am I able to return to Malaysia to practice law, with additional training or otherwise?

If I do well in the Bar exams, do I, as a foreign student, stand a chance to be accepted into pupilage in the UK?

Am I able to use my UK Bar qualifications to get a better chance at applying for a permit to practice law in other countries like Australia, New Zealand, or the UK itself? I’m considering getting a PR at one of these countries, while still retaining my Malaysian citizenship.

If I’m not qualified to enter the Bar Professional Training Course and went to CLP instead, what are my chances of practicing law in other countries in the near future? I must point out that I am not keen on migrating to another country in my forties, bringing my whole family, parents, wife and kids.

Thanks in advance.

Eazy,
Why did you say that it is notoriously difficult to do the English Bar ? I mean if you meet the pre-requisite requirement. Thanks.

Okay, maybe i'm exaggerating when using the world 'notorious'. 'Quite' might be a better choice of words.

And I'm thinking it's because of the fixed quota? And the minimum requirement is 2:2
I'm thinking it will be hard to enter the Bar if I'm getting below a 2:1.

Quoting Wikipedia:

In 2008/09
2,540 students applied for the BVC,
1,749 received a place,
1,330 passed the BVC,
562 received pupillage,
497 gained tenancy.

And that was around five years ago. Who knows what the numbers are like now.

Thanks for sharing here, Eazy. Which university did you graduate from ? If I may ask here, what's the cost like in total in UK ? What's the procedure of applying for the Bar course ? Thanks.

Unfortunately, I can't help much regarding that subject.
I have just applied for Law School at BAC, July intake.

I'm asking about the bar because I want a clear plan and a goal in mind to motivate me to study hard in Law school.
But according to a lecturer at BAC, the Bar Professional Training Course in the UK is around RM180k.

But here's a snip from The Offical UK Bar Website.

How much are the fees for the BPTC?
Applying for the BPTC through BPTC Online costs £40, which is non-refundable.
2014/15 fees vary between £12,000 and £18,000 for the year. The BPTC Institutions require a non-refundable deposit upon acceptance of a BPTC place, which will be deducted from your course fees upon enrolment.

May I make an application if I am an overseas student?
Yes. Applications are judged on merit.

A place on the BPTC does not mean that overseas students may practise in England and Wales. The BPTC confers the qualification of Barrister but without rights of audience. Students without rights of employment and residency in the UK may not practise in the UK. Please note that some institutions do have different fees for home and overseas students, so check the prospectus of the institution where you wish to study.

We also suggest that overseas students wishing to apply for a place on the BPTC should check with the jurisdiction where they wish to practise that the BPTC is recognised in that jurisdiction.

I have done the BPTC

Fees is depending on which institution u choose to do the BPTC. It ranges from 17k to 11k. This is just the fees not including living expenses and accommodation and the application fees/Inn registration stamp duty etc

If I'm doing the UK Bar, by the off-chance that I'm able to get into it in the first place, and actually pass it, am I able to return to Malaysia to practice law, with additional training or otherwise?
You need to do chambering for 9 months to get called to the Malaysian Bar

If I do well in the Bar exams, do I, as a foreign student, stand a chance to be accepted into pupilage in the UK?
Dont mean to discourage you but even if you achieve Very Competent which is an A equivalent they will not take you in because spaces are limited and the locals are still fighting for places. However it is not impossible but do not get your hopes high.

Am I able to use my UK Bar qualifications to get a better chance at applying for a permit to practice law in other countries like Australia, New Zealand, or the UK itself? I’m considering getting a PR at one of these countries, while still retaining my Malaysian citizenship.
You cannot practice without having done the pupilage in UK. Having said to practice in Aus you would need to have completed the pupilage in UK to practice in Aus. Yes its possible as the UK bar is recognized in Aus.

If I’m not qualified to enter the Bar Professional Training Course and went to CLP instead, what are my chances of practicing law in other countries in the near future? I must point out that I am not keen on migrating to another country in my forties, bringing my whole family, parents, wife and kids.
You cannot practice unless you sit for their BAR exams AFTER you have been called to the Malaysian Bar as it is recognized in Australia. This is however withstanding the fact that they accept your application and there is a job there for you and most importantly you pass the CLP.


I would strongly recommend you to do well in your 1st 2nd and final year in the UK. Having said if you get a First your fees will be exempted by 2k the most depending on institutions. This is a big relief to your sponsor after converting. If you are the type who cant cook to save your life ( I have seen many pathetic cases here ) I suggest you better start learning how to cook. That is of course your sponsors are rich then you have nothing to worry. English food is bland and tasteless. You can forget about the "chinese" cooking here as it is catered for the locals taste. Indian food is northern indian not the southern types which you are used to. Malay food you might as well forget it as the ingredients are scarce to come by so you might as well bring your own ingredients.

These are my own personal experience which may vary from others depending on the year they did it and where they did it. The BPTC is a very difficult course which people have dropped out due to the intense stressed placed upon them during the course. If you think your final year of degree is difficult I have bad news for you. This is another level. I am not trying to discourage you but it is alot of money and if you cannot handle stress I suggest you to stay away because the lecturers will treat you like working adults as it is a professional course. There is no room for mistake and its a 90% attendence or you fail the course. The white people are very direct unlike the malaysians who are shy to voice out their opinions. You mess up they will tell you to your face infront of all the other local classmates so you have to be on top of your game as the people there are usually very sharp be it locals or foreigners like yourself. You will have no weekends to yourself as you will be preparing for the following week. For example I used to cook a variety of dishes for my degree but when I was doing the BPTC I even had to freeze my rice and pre cut all my onions garlic and ginger just to save time cooking. You get the drift. All the best.

Hull is boring during my year only 10 people went there from BAC. The ranking doesnt really matter as it changes every year. Hertfordshire is a party place and its near to London which is a big bonus. It has a very modern teaching facility and lively place. People are friendly if you are. Just make sure you stay in Dehavilland campus or you will die commuting in winter as the Uno bus is bloody hopeless after 6pm and when it snows the bus doesnt operate. I have walked from Dehav campus to Campus Lane in 5 inches of snow before and I can tell you its pretty messed up when you cant feel your face toes and fingers. If you are looking to score a first class you should go to Herts. Having said its not impossible in Hull but it is more difficult. If possible you should apply to Cardiff if your results are good.

All the best. If you are applying to Herts you better book Dehav now as that place fills up the fastest.

Hi Shanashi,
Congrats on your achievement both the Law degree as your passing of the Bar exam. Are you practicing now ? How long were you in the UK if I may ask here ? What's the cost like in total for a year ? Thanks.

Hi Bravo thank you. I am still in UK now for the summer. Been here for 2 years. Cost of degree is about 9k Sterling Pounds if its the degree you are asking. The BPTC is 13k and above depending on your institution. Your accommodation would set you 3+ to 5+ thousand pounds depending on the luxuries of the accommodation (shared unit, suite etc). Your food is very subjective. I have been cooking my own meals even before leaving to UK so I hardly spent much, I just continued doing the same thing. I think in total I've spent close to 2k pounds. Note I don't drink much nor do I eat out maybe once a week so its very very subjective. You will spend alot on traveling if you take the trains much as the prices and be rather ridiculous without a rail card and during peak times. Best to buy a week or 2 in advance if you are traveling outstation.

cheers

Hi Shanashi,
Why did you read your Law degree ? Did you do the UKT programme ? Thanks.