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 Hong Leong Assuarance Cash Promise, worth to invest?

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MR_alien
post Sep 18 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Sep 17 2013, 08:58 PM)
It's under KWSP/Life Insurance's RM6,000, normally it applies to citizen who are self-employed as they can opt to contribute either to EPF or to Saving Plan or Life Insurance.

Well, if your RM3,000 part of Health/Medical part isn't fully claimed yet, I'd advise you to buy a 36 Critical Illness policy or Whole Life Participant Plan with 36 Critical Illness. The reason is you can use 60% of the paid premium to cover under RM3,000 part.

Haha, I remain neutral for your statement of "why give those money to gov when u can do this" laugh.gif (Later got BN-trooper then susah lo). Well, the whole idea of it is diversification. nod.gif
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haha....well, for them...its a l00phole tongue.gif
he doesn't have EPF because of his job....so thats why my relative took this plan
the 36 illness policy is insurance or medical card actually?
i have medical card but no insurance...and dn't think need one yet
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post Sep 19 2013, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Sep 18 2013, 04:06 PM)
haha....well, for them...its a l00phole tongue.gif
he doesn't have EPF because of his job....so thats why my relative took this plan
the 36 illness policy is insurance or medical card actually?
i have medical card but no insurance...and dn't think need one yet
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36 Critical Illness is Life insurance, typically it covers Death/TPD/36CI. Due to the fact that traditional policies which covers 36 Critical Illness can be claim under "Health/ Medical" portion, it can save you plenty of money from paying tax.

36 Critical Illness is important because this is the money you are giving for yourself when unexpected event happens.

We are all work for income and we are all aware that we have a fixed expenditure which we have to fork out monthly to continue our life, be it loan or life expenditure such as meal etc...

When one diagnose with serious illness, the income level might drop to zero. But he will definitely need an income replacement to replace him as the income generator to pay for his expenses and loan apart from the medical bill is bear by the medical card.

So, if a person without adequate of 36Critical Illness. While he is recuperating in hospital he must expect that his car/house will be lelong if he isn't got the capability to pay the loan off due to loss of power to generate income.

Well, I'm offering some good tailor made 36 Critical Illness coverage, shall you interested, do give me a pm. nod.gif
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post Sep 26 2013, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Sep 17 2013, 12:34 AM)
i recently attended a gathering, the company is under HLA
they're recruiting new ppl to enter this "insurance" business
1 of the plan that i saw they promote is this plan...and they say is is the hotter plan among all
i read most of the comment in this thread especially the ones from sillybearz at post #2
well, they're advertising it as a saving plan, not a plan where u'r paying a premium like those insurance as in the money u pay won't stay with u
they're comparing it with FD
heres what he showed me(i also would like to hear more opinions)
he say that let say if compared with FD(RM6k/annum)
FD percentage...1 year, u would only get around RM200
for this plan, u will get a guaranteed RM1.2k
and if u didn't withdraw that RM1.2k thn the total amont which is the 6k inside + RM1.2k guaranteed income will add another bit of interest
so, that mean the RM6k stays...not like what sillybearz said paying a premium and RM1.2k is just a rebate for u
and u will get that RM1.2k every year until it matured while the 6k u pay every year maintains
so in short, it looks impressive for me
i'm not easily cheated but am still finding the weakness of this plan
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I referred the term as "Rebate" so it is more understandable for most people. You are actually cashing out your own premium (principle) if you were to cash out from year 1 - year 6. Since you find it good, I suggest you should purchase rm10k per year and try withdrawing the so called "interest" from year 1 - year 6, see what do you get at the end of year 6.

If im not mistaken, you get like 10k - (1.2k x 6) maybe + few hundred. If you want to see the picture clearer, get a YEARLY WITHDRAWAL QUOTATION from the agent and you will know what I mean.

This plan is crap for me, there are more substitute for this plan in this market.
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post Sep 26 2013, 09:20 AM

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Cannot say rebate.. wrong term.
Use cash out is a better term

Rebate is... agent get commission, giv u back.. and that is call rebate. But is not ethical to do so..
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Sep 26 2013, 09:20 AM)
Cannot say rebate.. wrong term.
Use cash out is a better term

Rebate is... agent get commission,  giv u back.. and that is call rebate. But is not ethical to do so..
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Yea there are many kind of substitute in the market and thats right.

But each different substitute got different reward, risk and also the discipline imposed to the person.

Is up to the eyes of the beholder...
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post Oct 14 2013, 03:02 PM

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This plan comes with protection ?? as in for TPD or DEATH ?
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post Oct 14 2013, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(momojoj0 @ Oct 14 2013, 03:02 PM)
This plan comes with protection ?? as in for TPD or DEATH ?
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My Agent introduced this to me last week. According to him yes there is a life insurance attached to it, but don't expect high sum assured amount, unless you commit a large sum for Cash promise plan
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post Oct 19 2013, 09:45 PM

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Hello people. anyone knows the complete list of interest earned?

- 12% for the principal invested for every annum
- how about the 7th to 25th year? Still 12% on a yearly deposit?

Thank you! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 12 2013, 12:25 AM

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Hi All,

I've bought Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise myself and I'm their agent. biggrin.gif I'll do my best to explain the plan to those of you who are interested to know more. No hard-selling/BS, just info-sharing *promise* nod.gif

Basically this is a savings plan, hence the returns cannot be compared to investments plans. I'd be totally honest, the "realistic" expected interest u can earn is 7.04% per annum over a period of 25 years (without withdrawal). But before you say it's low, it's still way higher than KWSP average dividend rates. Heck, the only times KWSP was able to beat this figure was during 1980s-1996. Even during 2012 pre-election (pre-elections usually lead to divident rates), KWSP announced a mere 6.15% and you saw people lining up to check their accounts! sweat.gif So what's more with 7.04% return?

Fixed Deposit rates do vary as well, although it's been relatively stable in Malaysia. But there's no guarantee, it can drop to 2.00% or 1.00% p.a. depending on the economic situation just like what we've seen in other neighbouring countries. Fixed Deposits definitely wins in terms of withdrawal flexibility but it has a few disadvantages as well.

So then, the decision whether to save using Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise will be entirely up to u. rclxms.gif

If I have earned your trust with my honesty and need more info, do PM me.
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post Nov 12 2013, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(HLA AGENT @ Nov 12 2013, 12:25 AM)
Hi All,

I've bought Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise myself and I'm their agent. biggrin.gif  I'll do my best to explain the plan to those of you who are interested to know more. No hard-selling/BS, just info-sharing *promise* nod.gif

Basically this is a savings plan, hence the returns cannot be compared to investments plans. I'd be totally honest, the "realistic" expected interest u can earn is 7.04% per annum over a period of 25 years (without withdrawal). But before you say it's low, it's still way higher than KWSP average dividend rates. Heck, the only times KWSP was able to beat this figure was during 1980s-1996. Even during 2012 pre-election (pre-elections usually lead to divident rates), KWSP announced a mere 6.15% and you saw people lining up to check their accounts!  sweat.gif  So what's more with 7.04% return?

Fixed Deposit rates do vary as well, although it's been relatively stable in Malaysia. But there's no guarantee, it can drop to 2.00% or 1.00% p.a. depending on the economic situation just like what we've seen in other neighbouring countries. Fixed Deposits definitely wins in terms of withdrawal flexibility but it has a few disadvantages as well.

So then, the decision whether to save using Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise will be entirely up to u. rclxms.gif

If I have earned your trust with my honesty and need more info, do PM me.
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so if i can have better investment out there earning more than 7% i shouldn't bother with this CASH PROMISES?
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post Nov 12 2013, 12:34 PM

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justaregularjoe Well, as I have mentioned earlier, there's a difference between savings and investments. Investments are used to grow wealth (higher returns & higher risks). Savings are different. Plus, which investments does one need not monitor daily/weekly/monthly? And who can claim they have never lost in a single investment?

I'm not advising that investments are dangerous and should be avoided, just the difference and the stress involved. Plus, there are many other advantages that insurance savings plan have over investments.

Just sharing.
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post Nov 12 2013, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(HLA AGENT @ Nov 12 2013, 12:34 PM)
justaregularjoe Well, as I have mentioned earlier, there's a difference between savings and investments. Investments are used to grow wealth (higher returns & higher risks). Savings are different. Plus, which investments does one need not monitor daily/weekly/monthly? And who can claim they have never lost in a single investment?

I'm not advising that investments are dangerous and should be avoided, just the difference and the stress involved. Plus, there are many other advantages that insurance savings plan have over investments.

Just sharing.
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Since this is savings , means if i withdraw anytime example 2 year time , i will get back full amount right ?

If yes , this is the definition of savings , if amount is lesser thats call investment , no ?

This post has been edited by andrewleewaikeong: Nov 12 2013, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(sillybearz @ Apr 18 2013, 02:05 AM)
Seems like HLA has come out with a new plan. The previous old plan is called Income builder and it works similarly to this.

Every year "Pay Premium" (not savings cause this is an endowment plan, basically u are buying the plan not saving" 10k till year 6.

You have to lock up your 60k (assuming you paid 10k every year) up to year 20 only you can enjoy the maximum payout of this plan, which is 4.7x% for the old plan. I have no idea whats the new plan like so I might be wrong.

You are actually paying the premium and the guaranteed income is actually a rebate to you. In short, you are taking your own money. If you were to withdraw every single years guaranteed income, in the end of 20 years you surrender your policy, you get like 20k left only.

Unless you were to commit yourself 20 years not to touch the money, and yet you are getting just a mere 4.7% worth of interest only.

Might as well go take the money to buy REITS/ Bonds/ Unit trust, which will give you better returns and ALOT more liquidity, you can take your money out within 5 working days.
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spot on.

imo, people without any knowledge in investment will be attracted to this "Cash Promise"
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post Nov 12 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(HLA AGENT @ Nov 12 2013, 12:25 AM)
Hi All,

I've bought Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise myself and I'm their agent. biggrin.gif  I'll do my best to explain the plan to those of you who are interested to know more. No hard-selling/BS, just info-sharing *promise* nod.gif

Basically this is a savings plan, hence the returns cannot be compared to investments plans. I'd be totally honest, the "realistic" expected interest u can earn is 7.04% per annum over a period of 25 years (without withdrawal). But before you say it's low, it's still way higher than KWSP average dividend rates. Heck, the only times KWSP was able to beat this figure was during 1980s-1996. Even during 2012 pre-election (pre-elections usually lead to divident rates), KWSP announced a mere 6.15% and you saw people lining up to check their accounts!   sweat.gif  So what's more with 7.04% return?

Fixed Deposit rates do vary as well, although it's been relatively stable in Malaysia. But there's no guarantee, it can drop to 2.00% or 1.00% p.a. depending on the economic situation just like what we've seen in other neighbouring countries. Fixed Deposits definitely wins in terms of withdrawal flexibility but it has a few disadvantages as well.

So then, the decision whether to save using Hong Leong Assurance Cash Promise will be entirely up to u. rclxms.gif

If I have earned your trust with my honesty and need more info, do PM me.
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7.04% of what?

Are you sure 7% of the premium paid?

Please stated the IRR calculation for it.
If not, anyone can say any number.

If it is 7%, it should be selling like hotcake out there.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 12 2013, 02:18 PM
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post Nov 12 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Nov 12 2013, 01:19 PM)
Since this is savings , means if i withdraw anytime example 2 year time , i will get back full amount right ?

If yes , this is the definition of savings , if amount is lesser thats call investment , no ?
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insurance savings usually have lock up period, if u withdrawn between these period than you incurred loses or maybe 'earn less'

i rather u invest in something like Allianz Investment-link policy, it is like buying shares, but much mroe stable growth! Besides you'll have some life protection!
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2013, 02:16 PM)
7.04% of what?

Are you sure 7% of the premium paid?

Please stated the IRR calculation for it.
If not, anyone can say any number.

If it is 7%, it should be selling like hotcake out there.
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7% not surprise given the disadvantage of longer lock up period, money in 25 years doesnt worth as much as now. probably 5 years down the road something like superinflation would occur!
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QUOTE(justaregularjoe @ Nov 12 2013, 02:38 PM)
7% not surprise given the disadvantage of longer lock up period, money in 25 years doesnt worth as much as now. probably 5 years down the road something like superinflation would occur!
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You get me wrong.
I am surprise if any saving plan can get an IRR more than 7%.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 12 2013, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2013, 02:39 PM)
You get me wrong.
I am surprise if any saving plan can get more than IRR more than 7%.
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i know what you mean, yep this is probably the first? but with lot of 'catches'? most of the agent interpret it as 20% IRR yearly!
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post Nov 12 2013, 03:09 PM

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I think is more like possible to get 7% annually after holding for 25 years. All the saving plan out there is just a insurance plan that offer you a saving mechanism. The avg return is slightly higher than FD lower that Bond. Which mean earn around 4% - 7%.
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