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hikaru_x
post Apr 18 2006, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(shumaky @ Apr 18 2006, 10:42 AM)
Dell 24" Wide is RM 3,499
Dell 20" Wide is RM 2,199
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i'd like to add something:

the Dell 24" has component inputs, the best method to connect xb360 IMHO.
the Dell 20" only has composite, s-video, vga and dvi-i, u'd need a xb360 vga cable for this baby for HD.
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post Jul 17 2006, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 17 2006, 04:36 PM)
I'm thinking of buying a widescreen LCD since the price now are getting more and more affordable.

A question here. IINM, LCD monitor can only achieve optimal display quality on native resolution. If I buy a 19" Widescreen LCD with a native resolution of 1440x900 and connect my Xbox 360 to it using a VGA cable, will I notice image quality loss? IINM, Xbox 360 can only display up to 1360x768 only on VGA cable, which is lower than the LCD's native resolution.
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should be ok, try this article.
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post Aug 2 2006, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(crimsonhead @ Aug 2 2006, 08:23 PM)
um,dell 24" 2.9k,wait till next week coz got pcfair rite?maybe got dc  laugh.gif
um better get widescreen,me oso drool.gif on 20" and 24" dell widescreen thumbup.gif
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the 24" is 2.6k now

*edit: sorry, that's the corporate price. just checked the web, its still 2.9k for retail

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post Aug 2 2006, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(daidzz @ Aug 2 2006, 09:06 PM)
yeah but can i still use my LG flatron ? (of cuz i can but is it reccomended cuz i got no money to get a new one, still shud b orait what. im using 1280x960 and 280x1024 res when playing on this, so can rite)
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i use on my dell E173FP @ 1280x1024 occasionally.... no problem. is it an LCD? try to match the native resolution for best image quality. if CRT no problemo
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post Sep 25 2006, 11:50 AM

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definately the 19" monitor with a VGA cable!

i play on a Samsung 29" normal TV and Dell 17" FP... some games like GRAW and Dead Rising I just hv to play on the monitor coz i can't see crap on the TV.
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post Nov 28 2006, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Sd-RawK-Cab25 @ Nov 27 2006, 09:51 PM)
hey guys..just wanna ask for your recommendations:

what's the cheapest widescreen lcd monitor i can get, that is great for primarily x360 gaming, and tht supports component inputs (as well as vga) and has built in speakers preferably?

i'm eyeing on VA1912wb but then i thought analog input meant component..it isn't, no?

thanks in advance for your recommendations/answers!~  biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
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analog input would be the normal VGA (that blue 15 pin dsub connector), digital would be DVI (white connector).

i bought a Dell E207WFP 20.1" widescreen LCD for rm1088 a few weeks ago. some might argue viewsonic/benq is cheaper but i can't get those price here in Penang and i kinda like the 4 year next business day warranty that comes with my unit.

anyway, i'm using 3rd party VGA cable (dragon brand? bought from PA) at 1280x768. it's the only 16:10 output for the VGA cable hence the closest match to the panel's native resolution and aspect ratio 1680x1050/16:10. despite the scaling, GOW looks so damn beautiful compared to my previous Dell E173FP (17" 4:3 VGA). IMO, this monitor did a better job at scaling compared to my old LCD.

it doesn't have component inputs like the 24" 2407WFP, but my local game shop recommends VGA cable because they've tried the 2407WFP on component cables before and they said the colours are a bit too bright (i dunno?). plus i don't know how the monitor would handle 16:9 component input when the panel is 16:10 (someone with a 2407WFP on component cable enlighten us please?)

and oh, no built in speakers but can add a sound bar for additional rm184. i passed since i have speakers for my pc already.

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post Nov 28 2006, 04:47 PM

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720p is just a number tongue.gif the true 720p resolution would be 1280x720. however, 1280x720 and 1360x768 are 16:9 aspect ratio. OK for LCD TVs and plasma but PC widescreen LCDs are 16:10 (most of them are, i haven't seen 16:9 PC LCDs before, but if there is, forgive me for my ignorance).

if you choose a 16:9 resolution, your LCD would still be able display it, but it will be scaled and vertically stretched to fill 16:10; things will be a little bit tall. some might not even notice it, but i can't stand it tongue.gif i had to use 1280x768, the only 16:10 aspect ratio available to match my 16:10 LCD smile.gif

so far everything looks great, games and hd videos fill up the entire screen without being stretched and it sure looks HD to me tongue.gif

for a reference of the available resolutions for the 360 VGA HD cable, see this teamxbox article
*edit: the article was written before the 1080p upgrade. now the 1920x1080 (1080p 16:9) resolution is available.

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post Nov 29 2006, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Critical @ Nov 29 2006, 02:41 PM)
hmmm.... the dell monitor sound bar got the red & white input meh?
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of coz u need that RCA to mini jack converter la, MS VGA cable has it. i'm using the one i got with my altec lansing.

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post Nov 30 2006, 09:02 AM

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erm.. can plug-in the tv/360 sound into the soundcard line-in, but one drawback is u need the pc to be turned on when watching tv
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post Nov 30 2006, 10:04 AM

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i dunno, im using that method when playing 360 on my pc LCD. one nice thing is can hear sounds from both source at once. i can hear if someone msn/skype me, can quickly go answer then switch back to my game, heheh tongue.gif
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post Nov 30 2006, 01:51 PM

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usually line-in is blue, can use mic-in also = red/pink. then check the volume levels in ur sound control panel, make sure the line u choose is not muted or too low.

one thing i just realised u r using 4.1 means u got plug 2 jack into the soundcard/mobo... some mobo only got 3 jacks so if u use 4.1/5.1 the line-in and mic jacks will be converted to rear & center/sub. im not very sure about this coz im using soundcard with individual jack for everything, check ur mobo/soundcard manual for details.
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post Nov 30 2006, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(munky @ Nov 30 2006, 03:24 PM)
I'll try if it works. Btw i dunno where the manuals are haha. Old pc maa hehe

EDIT :
Alright it's working. My sound card got 5 jacks. Plugged it in to the blue colour jack. But for the xbox, only the front speakers + woofer is producing sounds, even after i try selecting 5.1 digital output. No problems whatsoever for the PC
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seems like ur soundcard doesn't upmix the 2 channel input into 4.1 (i dont know whether soundcards are supposed to do this also, i think not).

anyway, even if u get the rear speakers to work for your 360, it wont be true rear surround channels, just clone... if u want real surround then hv to use optical out.
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post Dec 14 2006, 11:45 AM

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the ultrasharp(tm) term is over rated tongue.gif get the entry E207WFP, rm~1k only... response is 5ms.
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post Dec 14 2006, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Dec 14 2006, 11:46 AM)
Shouldnt you have the HD AV cable already, which comes with all 360 by the way?It's the VGA HD cable that had to be purchased separately. blink.gif

If you need one, i have mine though. I can let you have it, im using Monster Cable HD Component on mine.
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i think he got a Jap unit, the bundled HD AV cable have D-Terminal connectors instead of component RCA connectors.
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post Dec 14 2006, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Dec 14 2006, 06:02 PM)
imm using a normal viewsonic 19inch right now
i notice when i play gears of war they shrink the vertical size to play in widescreen mode
will that happen on my new 24inch widescreen from dell? or it will adjust to fit fully on the screen itself
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ur viewsonic 5:4 or 16:10 ? many games do that if ur playing in non-widescreen
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post Dec 14 2006, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(UnUsUaL @ Dec 14 2006, 07:00 PM)
IIRC dell 2407 does not have 1:1 feature anymore, only 2405FPW have it.
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Dec 14 2006, 07:08 PM)
i tot it still does but labelled as 4:3 instead. Will check back later... since my 2007WFP had the option to scale while maintaining the aspect ratio.
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i know my E207WFP don't hv such functions... have to live with 1280x768 (16:10), not complaining tho... what to do, tight budget blush.gif

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post Mar 6 2007, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(hezda @ Mar 6 2007, 09:41 PM)
Just got my VGA cable from PA this afternoon... first of all, I'm using the Ori VGA cable, it comes with a converter which let u connect to PC speakers and a gender converter. Quality wise for this monitor... kinda average only.  blink.gif  I've been using my old 29" Toshiba CRT for the past few days playing my Xbox 360 and I can tell you the color is 3x better than the LCD...  cry.gif  I'm not sure whether is the setting problem or not but the colors just don't look as nice. Another problem is this monitor does indeed stretches the screeen a little bit. It's not really serious though... So, if your budget allows I would just have to say get the 24" version. If not the 22" is good enough if u r not too picky. It's neither excellent nor bad but accepatble.  smile.gif  BTW, it is good for a PC monitor.
Ah yes, I'm suing 1366 x 768. The best so far.
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the dell E series (stands for economy? tongue.gif ) LCD don't have 1:1 pixel mapping (am i saying this right?). the panel is 16:10, the 1360x768 resolution that u are using is 16:9, so the LCD stretch it to fit. try using 1280x768 (16:10) or 1280x1024 Wide. i was playing on my E207WFP previously and 1280x1024 wide looked best. somehow the monitor was able to scale this resolution properly without stretching it.

on my E207WFP=
1280x768 = full screen, not streched. but kinda blurry because of scaling
1280x1024 wide = minor black bars on top and bottom but not stretched.. not native resolution but best looking 360 resolution i can get on this monitor

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post Mar 6 2007, 10:35 PM

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^^

i don't think the dell 2407wfp can run 1080p via component... try VGA cable, 1920x1080, 1:1 pixel
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post Mar 7 2007, 09:59 AM

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if u ask me, i'd say go for the LCD TV.... i bought a 20" dell 2-3 months ago, it was fun, but sitting upright in front of the monitor for long hours isn't that comfy. i keep telling myself: "its a minor setback, just enjoy the HD" tongue.gif

i got poisoned into buying a Samsung S7 32" last month... now i feel the 20" was a waste of money... dont make the same mistake that i did tongue.gif

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post Mar 7 2007, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(hezda @ Mar 6 2007, 11:17 PM)
I have tried that. Somehow it plays GoW in letterbox format and stretches tha whole thing side way.  cry.gif So guys, just get the ultra sharp series, no money? SAVE FOR IT!  rolleyes.gif
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looks like u set it to normal screen. for 1280x1024 resolution, u can choose 'Normal' or 'Widescreen'. i believe this is the only resolution on the VGA cable which allows u to choose Normal/Widescreen setting, others are fixed.

the letter box will be there; no choice... it's either letterbox or stretched image... or use 1280x768 (16:10) and suffer bad scaling tongue.gif


Added on March 7, 2007, 1:53 pm
QUOTE(Roland San @ Mar 7 2007, 01:34 AM)
BTW, I sit about 7-8 feet away from the screen.
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i missed that earlier... if that's the case, go for LCD TV. LCD Monitors are meant for 1-3 feet viewing distance, not so bright... even a 32" tv feels a little bit small at 8 feet away, what would a 24"/27" look like? and i'm sure u would like a remote at 7-8 feet away biggrin.gif

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