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 Which social class are you?, Are you staying in overprice house?

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Steven83
post Apr 8 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(cheraspeople @ Apr 8 2013, 03:56 PM)
no so if they have parents support.
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agreed, if the loan is supported by their parents name or by their parents property. Bank loves properties. tongue.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 8 2013, 05:00 PM)
"Malaysian that study in cambridge/ oxford/ Imperial college/ LSE = is all elite calss in malaysia" so to become elite is about how we think  smile.gif  Malaysia uni very lag behind then...
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I will avoid sending my children go into local u if they wanted to become enginer. lawyer, banker etc....

Unless their interest is relating to argriculture or become a local teacher la.

every parent wanted to give the best to their child la.

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post Apr 8 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Apr 8 2013, 04:00 PM)
"Malaysian that study in cambridge/ oxford/ Imperial college/ LSE = is all elite calss in malaysia" so to become elite is about how we think  smile.gif  Malaysia uni very lag behind then...
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U really think so? I am from a local uni but private. Got a scholarship for engineering deg. I can tell u that my friends who went to overseas u are not doing better than me. I went to normal sekolah kebangsaan too even though i got invitation to join maktab rendah sains mara pengkalan chepa (one of the best performance school in msia). It depends on the individual i guess.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 8 2013, 05:53 PM)
I will avoid sending my children go into local u if they wanted to become enginer. lawyer, banker etc....

Unless their interest is relating to argriculture or become a local teacher la.

every parent wanted to give the best to their child la.
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Local uni still okay, not much difference in earnings between overseas grad and local grads.
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post Apr 8 2013, 05:22 PM

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I worked in South Korea for 3 years. Yup, the money was good while it lasted. Repatriated back to Malaysia when my project finished. Came back and bought me a 800K semi-D with a 320K down.

Here in Malaysia I'm earning onli 14K before tax. Currently applying for Australian PR. Can get the 60 points needed to be considered for PR application thanks to me have work overseas 3 years. Malaysialand salary is depressed.
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post Apr 8 2013, 05:24 PM

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Why you say like that? I'm an engineer, only USM graduate .... even Korean engineer I teach how to do work those days.

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post Apr 8 2013, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 8 2013, 04:53 PM)
I will avoid sending my children go into local u if they wanted to become enginer. lawyer, banker etc....

Unless their interest is relating to argriculture or become a local teacher la.

every parent wanted to give the best to their child la.
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I would say the statement is right and wrong. It's right if it's referring to those students (especially b*mi) who granted automatically entry into local u, but it maybe wrong for those who really take the STPM qualification to enter the local u and graduate from the professional courses like engineering, doctor, accountant etc.

If you ask any of the employer who had experience in hiring local u (from university like UM, USM, UKM...) vs oversea u graduate on the mentioned professional field, you'll know what I mean.
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post Apr 8 2013, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(kw @ Apr 8 2013, 05:30 PM)
I would say the statement is right and wrong. It's right if it's referring to those students (especially b*mi) who granted automatically entry into local u, but it maybe wrong for those who really take the STPM qualification to enter the local u and graduate from the professional courses like engineering, doctor, accountant etc.

If you ask any of the employer who had experience in hiring local u (from university like UM, USM, UKM...) vs oversea u graduate on the mentioned professional field, you'll know what I mean.
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UM, UKM and USM i cannot comment but grads from UTP, Monash, Nottingham = not bad
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u fr monash?
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post Apr 8 2013, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(torkl @ Apr 8 2013, 06:59 PM)
u fr monash?
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No I am not. I was from UTP.
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post Apr 8 2013, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Apr 8 2013, 05:22 PM)
I worked in South Korea for 3 years. Yup, the money was good while it lasted. Repatriated back to Malaysia when my project finished. Came back and bought me a 800K semi-D with a 320K down.

Here in Malaysia I'm earning onli 14K before tax. Currently applying for Australian PR. Can get the 60 points needed to be considered for PR application thanks to me have work overseas 3 years. Malaysialand salary is depressed.
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Kindly share your experience? Which field you are working in?smile.gif But seriously, Malaysian manufacturing firm salary were depressing.

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post Apr 8 2013, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Apr 8 2013, 04:53 PM)
I will avoid sending my children go into local u if they wanted to become enginer. lawyer, banker etc....

Unless their interest is relating to argriculture or become a local teacher la.

every parent wanted to give the best to their child la.
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ehhhhh..... earning and where you are educated seems dont relate nowadays... It works well for our previous generation..

few of my frens who only graduated from TARC now are bosses of their own, owing printing company, real estate company, business annual tax alone RM200k.. both in early 30's

I am local grad as well.. study here but earning oversea but my peers graduate oversea but earning Msia salary...

i think USM (university social masyarakat) pretty important nowadays.. being street smart rather than book smart...

Important of all -> home education... (things that teachers dont teach in school)

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post Apr 8 2013, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Apr 8 2013, 05:22 PM)
I worked in South Korea for 3 years. Yup, the money was good while it lasted. Repatriated back to Malaysia when my project finished. Came back and bought me a 800K semi-D with a 320K down.

Here in Malaysia I'm earning onli 14K before tax. Currently applying for Australian PR. Can get the 60 points needed to be considered for PR application thanks to me have work overseas 3 years. Malaysialand salary is depressed.
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Not really, unless your occupation is in the Australia list of critical skillset.
Otherwise its pretty tough to get a job in Aus, not forgetting the 30%-40% tax rates.

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QUOTE(koht04 @ Apr 8 2013, 09:45 AM)
bro, if u live in european country before, you will know your comparison is in valid.
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If i live in a european country now, i will be crying non stop everyday and would beg, steal or borrow money to come to Asia.
Things have gone from bad to worse in Europe. France, Italy, Greece and Spain has unemployment rate of >10%
UK & USA isn't much better either.
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I dont agreed that graduated from which University does matter as long as it is recognized by local goverment, not those college that give permit for student to stay doing illegal thing in MY. It is what kind of altitude you or your children have. If you have a good and right attitude, nothing stop you from shining. I didnt show my paper or whatever during my last few interview, it is useless, eventhough i interviewing people also didnt ask for their certificate or whatever ...
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QUOTE(nkhong @ Apr 8 2013, 10:56 PM)
I dont agreed that graduated from which University does matter as long as it is recognized by local goverment, not those college that give permit for student to stay doing illegal thing in MY. It is what kind of altitude you or your children have. If you have a good and right attitude, nothing stop you from shining. I didnt show my paper or whatever during my last few interview, it is useless, eventhough i interviewing people also didnt ask for their certificate or whatever ...
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That is provided that you have gain much working experience, Then paper qualitification carry less weight. For a fresh graduate that has zero experience. How are they going to compete to get into the trainee post? That is the important question that you have to ask.

Also I want to emphasize that you cannot use your Good old time, aka 10 to 15 yrs ago as a yard stick. Time change, things change, requirement change. Competition to get job become Much more intense nowadays.

Eg. A stack of application CV for you to filter through to give interview. I am very sure the Oxbridge, Ivy league uni graduate get the 1st round interview before the rest. Would you agree ?

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post Apr 8 2013, 11:08 PM

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I think public local unis are ok. But can be improved somemore. Obviously there is some catching up to do, if not why do the govt still give scholarship to study overseas? The only put off for me concerning local uni, is having to qualify thru STPM. I rather if my kids go straight to uni after form 5 - which some local - mostly provate unis - offer.
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QUOTE(Halamdar @ Apr 8 2013, 11:06 PM)
That is provided that you have gain much working experience, Then paper qualitification carry less weight. For a fresh graduate that has zero experience. How are they going to compete to get into the trainee post? That is the important question that you have to ask.

Also I want to emphasize that you cannot use your Good old time, aka 10 to 15 yrs ago as a yard stick. Time change, things change, requirement change. Competition to get job become Much more intense nowadays.

Eg. A stack of application CV for you to filter through to give interview. I am very sure the Oxbridge, Ivy league uni graduate get the 1st round interview before the rest. Would you agree ?

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Halamdar,

<<Eg. A stack of application CV for you to filter through to give interview.>>

Only people that Do NOT KNOW how to use BETTER METHOD to find a job use that method. 90+% of jobs are never advertised to begin with. Hence, those people are competing with 10% of the open positions.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 8 2013, 11:12 PM)
Halamdar,

<<Eg. A stack of application CV for you to filter through to give interview.>>

Only people that Do NOT KNOW how to use BETTER METHOD to find a job use that method.  90+% of jobs are never advertised to begin with.  Hence, those people are competing with 10% of the open positions.

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Hmmm may be I am dinasaurs...and completely out of touch...

But isnt with MNC, the job offer is going through that procedure?

Or just by connection? You cannot be serious...

I understand about the internship thingie. But that in itself usually is advertised. That is what I know how my friend kids got the job.

But I could be mistaken..
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QUOTE(Halamdar @ Apr 8 2013, 11:19 PM)
Hmmm may be I am dinasaurs...and completely out of touch...

But isnt with MNC, the job offer is going through that procedure?

Or just by connection? You cannot be serious...

I understand about the internship thingie. But that in itself usually is advertised. That is what I know how my friend kids got the job.

But I could be mistaken..
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Halamdar,

I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years. Only my first job is through advertisement. Yes, people can CHOOSE to use the INFERIOR METHOD to competing for the 10% open positions. But, SMARTER people grab the 90% open position before it is advertised.

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