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 Lenovo Z400 vs Y400, discussion for purchase!

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raeimad
post Apr 8 2013, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:49 AM)
Oh my, i don't think i'm going to get it.

But, if i were to get SSD, i should get Intel? o_o
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I don't think there's a need to get intel. hahah

And as raymondtong94 said, they are very costly and there's no need to replace the hdd to use as a primary hard drive.

512Gb costs 1600+!!
So if you were to get 1Tb, you'll be spending more than 3200 (More than the laptop itself!)
Better get a 32Gb just to increase boot speed and stuff biggrin.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 7 2013, 11:03 PM)
How much does SSD cost? So if i have a 1TB HDD, i change it to 1TB SSD in order to increase speed?

So i have to keep the battery in the laptop for the rest of my life?

and also, are you saying that ultrabooks are having this concept too?
So did you manage to remove the battery yourself? Or do i have to keep it in it for the rest of my life?

Since you bought the laptop, is there any way to turn off graphics and turn on power saving mode in order for battery life to last longer? That's what the promoter told me today if i want to save battery.

(2) yupe, DDR 5 is some sort faster, but i don't think there are any significant difference.

(4) So your specs are the i5 with 8GB RAM? Did you get the SSD? If you did, how much was it?

(9) Does the powerplan option really save a lot of battery while doing MS office work? Can it be an increase from 4 hours to 5?

There's a dust removal button? Like to remove dust IN the laptop? I didn't know.

and an additional question: What cooling pads do you recommend?
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Yeah, you prolly have to keep the battery inside for the rest of your life. /:
And yeah ultrabooks have the non user removable batteries, cause errrr... not sure, using smaller batteries to make em light i guess? hahah

Yes, there's the nvidia optimus option. You can either set to use intel hd4000 or the nvidia dedicated graphics card. Or set it to choose by it self so that you don't have to change it al the time biggrin.gif
When the laptop needs heavy graphics power, it automatically uses the graphics card, or else it keeps using the intel graphics. And you can also set up programs to which ever graphics you want. for example, set up some games to use the nvidia graphics and it'll automatically use that whenever you use that program~

(2) Yup, not much of a huge difference.

(4) I bought an extra 4Gb ram only, which was for 120. The 32Gb SSD was over 300 so I didn't buy it /: My Budget was flat 2K but I went a bit over it and now I'm suffering with my daily life a bit xD

(9) Power plan option only changes the processor speed i think, so when the laptop needs less speed, it underclocks the processr. Or when it needs a lot of juice to play games, it kicks it up and uses the turbo boost. I'm not sure about 5 hours but it is possible if you keep the bightness at the lowest and only use less demanding programs like MsOffice

Check my previous post, it'll have a screenshot on where to find the dust removal button biggrin.gif think it just removes the dust from where the wind from the fan can reach. Not really the whole laptop.

I'm not sure about cooling pads, but I almost went for logitech n100 once because it has a good design~
I previously owned a netbook so I didn't really need one, but now I keep the heating of this lappy to a minimum because I don't want to damage the battery~ I play games in my really cold room xD

And here's a screenshot of the nvidia optimus settings. Auto change, set to nvidia graphics, set to intel hd. These are the three options. And in the program settings tab, you can set which program to use which graphics so that when you're using intel hd graphics and suddenly want to play games, it'll use the nvidia for the game biggrin.gifAttached Image

This post has been edited by raeimad: Apr 8 2013, 08:59 AM
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post Apr 8 2013, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(raeimad @ Apr 8 2013, 08:21 AM)
So if you were to get 1Tb, you'll be spending more than 3200 (More than the laptop itself!)
Better get a 32Gb just to increase boot speed and stuff biggrin.gif
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32gb isnt enough actually. estimated usable space = 27gb, if installed windows 8 (18GB), i dont think there is enough space for you to install other programs. 64GB at least. sweat.gif
i guess you are talking about the mSATA SSD in your laptop, not standalone SSD cuz Z400/Z500 only has a hard drive bay only.

anyway, so far there is no SSD that is in 1TB size yet (in 2.5" form) but in PCI form, there is 1. that SSD has a read/write speed of 1000/1000 and above which makes the fastest SSD.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(raeimad @ Apr 8 2013, 08:17 AM)
There isn't any physical button, sorry xD
Yeah, it's on the Energy Management area, here's a screenshot.[attachmentid=3382174]
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haha!i never knew got this management tool also.thank you very much!
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post Apr 8 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(raeimad @ Apr 8 2013, 08:33 AM)
Yeah, you prolly have to keep the battery inside for the rest of your life. /:
And yeah ultrabooks have the non user removable batteries, cause errrr... not sure, using smaller batteries to make em light i guess? hahah

Yes, there's the nvidia optimus option. You can either set to use intel hd4000 or the nvidia dedicated graphics card. Or set it to choose by it self so that you don't have to change it al the time biggrin.gif
When the laptop needs heavy graphics power, it automatically uses the graphics card, or else it keeps using the intel graphics. And you can also set up programs to which ever graphics you want. for example, set up some games to use the nvidia graphics and it'll automatically use that whenever you use that program~

(2) Yup, not much of a huge difference.

(4) I bought an extra 4Gb ram only, which was for 120. The 32Gb SSD was over 300 so I didn't buy it /: My Budget was flat 2K but I went a bit over it and now I'm suffering with my daily life a bit xD

(9) Power plan option only changes the processor speed i think, so when the laptop needs less speed, it underclocks the processr. Or when it needs a lot of juice to play games, it kicks it up and uses the turbo boost. I'm not sure about 5 hours but it is possible if you keep the bightness at the lowest and only use less demanding programs like MsOffice

Check my previous post, it'll have a screenshot on where to find the dust removal button biggrin.gif  think it just removes the dust from where the wind from the fan can reach. Not really the whole laptop.

I'm not sure about cooling pads, but I almost went for logitech n100 once because it has a good design~
I previously owned a netbook so I didn't really need one, but now I keep the heating of this lappy to a minimum because I don't want to damage the battery~ I play games in my really cold room xD

And here's a screenshot of the nvidia optimus settings. Auto change, set to nvidia graphics, set to intel hd. These are the three options. And in the program settings tab, you can set which program to use which graphics so that when you're using intel hd graphics and suddenly want to play games, it'll use the nvidia for the game biggrin.gifAttached Image
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Thank you for your answer! Really clears up a few problems!

I personally don't think i'll go for the SSD, maybe i would just stick to i7 eventhough its not advisable, But i will still reconsider on i5.

Do you play any games? How are the benchmarks for the GT740M?
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 09:14 AM)
32gb isnt enough actually. estimated usable space = 27gb, if installed windows 8 (18GB), i dont think there is enough space for you to install other programs. 64GB at least. sweat.gif
i guess you are talking about the mSATA SSD in your laptop, not standalone SSD cuz Z400/Z500 only has a hard drive bay only.

anyway, so far there is no SSD that is in 1TB size yet (in 2.5" form) but in PCI form, there is 1. that SSD has a read/write speed of 1000/1000 and above which makes the fastest SSD.
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How much is a 64GB SSD? Does it boost OS booting speed?

And also, idk much about SSD. If intel has the lowest RMA rate, it's highly recommended right? So should i just go for it?
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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:03 PM)
How much is a 64GB SSD? Does it boost OS booting speed?

And also, idk much about SSD. If intel has the lowest RMA rate, it's highly recommended right? So should i just go for it?
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around RM200 if im not wrong. hmm.gif and yes, it does boost OS booting speed. take note that there is another type of SSD, that is mSATA SSD. its HDD sized but they are RAM like module that is installed in the daughter board of the motherboard.

Intel is the best SSD so far. retailers have less complain from customers so its pretty reliable. if you wanted to get it, depends on your budget. yet, its not recommended for you to get SSD.
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post Apr 8 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:10 PM)
around RM200 if im not wrong. hmm.gif  and yes, it does boost OS booting speed. take note that there is another type of SSD, that is mSATA SSD. its HDD sized but they are RAM like module that is installed in the daughter board of the motherboard.

Intel is the best SSD so far. retailers have less complain from customers so its pretty reliable. if you wanted to get it, depends on your budget. yet, its not recommended for you to get SSD.
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My budget is around 2800. i5 Z400 with 8GB RAM(upgraded from 4GB) should be around 2200. I have 600 ringgit more for warranty, SSD and cooling pad.

Any ideas which i should get?

And why is it not recommended for me to get SSD?
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post Apr 8 2013, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:12 PM)
My budget is around 2800. i5 Z400 with 8GB RAM(upgraded from 4GB) should be around 2200. I have 600 ringgit more for warranty, SSD and cooling pad.

Any ideas which i should get?

And why is it not recommended for me to get SSD?
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extend warranty and get a cooling pad is better. the reason i say not recommended to get SSD is because the price is still skyrocketing. you see, a 60GB costs around RM200, while at that price you can get a 500GB HDD for more storage. save up your rest of the money and only plan to upgrade to SSD in the future once you earned more money.
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post Apr 8 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:17 PM)
extend warranty and get a cooling pad is better. the reason i say not recommended to get SSD is because the price is still skyrocketing. you see, a 60GB costs around RM200, while at that price you can get a 500GB HDD for more storage. save up your rest of the money and only plan to upgrade to SSD in the future once you earned more money.
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The thing is, my mum is buying the laptop for me. I don't think she will allow me to do any upgrades after getting me my laptop. So should i do the upgrade, based on my situation.

Cooling pad and warranty won't be that expensive right, maybe RM200?
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post Apr 8 2013, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:36 PM)
The thing is, my mum is buying the laptop for me. I don't think she will allow me to do any upgrades after getting me my laptop. So should i do the upgrade, based on my situation.

Cooling pad and warranty won't be that expensive right, maybe RM200?
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your basic warranty is 2 years, so it wont be expensive extend it to 3 years. getting a notebook cooler, dont need specific brands, just to mention get those made of aluminium is enough. price varies on the size of the notebook cooler and essentials provided (like LED light, number of USB ports).

EDIT - maybe around RM200-400 for total.

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post Apr 8 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:46 PM)
your basic warranty is 2 years, so it wont be expensive extend it to 3 years. getting a notebook cooler, dont need specific brands, just to mention get those made of aluminium is enough. price varies on the size of the notebook cooler and essentials provided (like LED light, number of USB ports).

EDIT - maybe around RM200-400 for total.
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Okay thanks, but you still haven't advice me on SSD.

Based on my situation, (mum sponsoring, and i wont be able to afford SSD upgrade in the future, and also my mum won't upgrade for me), do you think i should get the SSD as well?
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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:55 PM)
Okay thanks, but you still haven't advice me on SSD.

Based on my situation, (mum sponsoring, and i wont be able to afford SSD upgrade in the future, and also my mum won't upgrade for me), do you think i should get the SSD as well?
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not necessary to get SSD bro. even if you get it, you are in the risk of 'data economy instability' if you know what i mean.
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:57 PM)
not necessary to get SSD bro. even if you get it, you are in the risk of 'data economy instability' if you know what i mean.
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Nope, i don't know what you mean, but thank you anyway! I think i know what to do!
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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 12:58 PM)
Nope, i don't know what you mean, but thank you anyway! I think i know what to do!
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my mean you are in risk of storage shortage.

lol, need time to mend my english. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:02 PM)
my mean you are in risk of storage shortage.

lol, need time to mend my english. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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But i will still have my HDD to store my stuff right?
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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:12 PM)
But i will still have my HDD to store my stuff right?
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yeah. the basic 1TB HDD.
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post Apr 8 2013, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:18 PM)
yeah. the basic 1TB HDD.
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So technically, i won't run low on storage space right, even if my SSD is full
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QUOTE(Eclipse123 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:22 PM)
So technically, i won't run low on storage space right, even if my SSD is full
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yeah you wont run low storage on HDD.

but i wonder, where did your SSD come from? laugh.gif

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Don't mean to douse the enthusiatic discussion on Z400 / 500.
But anyone who plan to buy them need to see this video.
It tell you how to get access to the RAM, HDD, and clean dust ...
The video is 18min.
User has to take out ODD, take out keyboard, before taking out back panel.
Good luck smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JojX_vwR7K0

This post has been edited by nexus2238: Apr 8 2013, 01:43 PM

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