the uk have increased their total intake, and output of doctors by 50% over the last 10 years, from increased intakes in established med schools, and new med schools.........so there is bound to be issues during this transition period........

the 'surplus' is actually a mismatch between the numbers graduating and the established posts available, which is a british civil service/administration problem (ala jpa issues), rather than actually having too many doctors.......when the ewtd (european working time directive) kicks in and shift duties is implemented, the numbers of required posts will balloon, and more than absorb the graduating numbers........whether there is money in the nhs for this is another issue........

and how the ewtd will influence post graduate training is also a different issue......

the situation is no where as chaotic as the current situation in msia......and at least they don't have a problem with basic intake issues, as the med schools are all public funded.......they can select based on academic merits........not on 'financial merits'.........so there is not the doubts about the calibre of new graduates like in msia........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 12 2009, 11:56 AM

150kg and bp 150/90 at 20 years old is a perfect recipe for a potential ischaemic event by 40.........serious attention and correction is required........

but they will not discriminate against you on the basis of weight or bp.........

if you have above 3.8, and put ums or unimas as 1st choice, you stand a good chance.......this is proven in recent intake batches.......

i wouldn't be surprised, but there are quite a few sub-4.0 around, and i know they only look at those who put unimas as 1st choice in the first round.......

my point is, if one is sub-4.0, it is better to just opt for the lower rank schools, rather than try um/ukm as top choices, and NOT getting anything at all in the end........

i thought the final results are usually BETTER than trial results?.......at least in the schools i am familiar with, they tend to mark down the trials, to make the student work harder........

so maybe you will bet 4.0!!

what you have studied in stpm is significantly more, and the stpm exam more difficult, than what is taught and tested in foundation studies.......aimst, or whatever uni.......

wasn't talking to you.......asking a simple question to commentor, of course i think he means peace, but need to confirm, hence a simple question.....really a chip on the shoulders.......

i make no apologies for demanding the best from medical students and future doctors, and i will be very disappointed if there are medical students here who are willing to compromise on standards and quality........

if everybody is like that!

that explains why this country is in this condition........fortunately, there are enough people around who feels motivated and concerned enough to want to effect change.......

people are going to rempit and snatch people's handbag whether you like it or not.......so we should all stop talking about it and accept it........right.....excellent attitude.......

same principles, it's about caring for things around you.....but like i said, exercise in futility, i leave it to readers to judge for themselves.......

one can justify anything, if one is convinced one is right.......even murderers may believe they have done the world good, in their misguided minds........

i have explained the mess of msian education, which i think all are aware of.......the racial discrimination in ipta, the financial discrimination in ipts........and we are all aware the situation in ipts exist as a counterweight to ipta......

but 2 wrongs DO NOT make a right........

i have made my stance clear.......and i do not agree with the self gratifying justification above.......i am obviously NOT alone in this........countries like uk, oz, usa, spore all practice strict vetting of potential doctors entering training........

if i am wrong, i guess these developed countries are also wrong.....well.....their education policy must be more messed up than msia's.......but strangely, msian who can afford it, all seem to prefer to go to these countries.........

so who is right and wrong?

i accept, under the circumstances in msia, it is impossible to change to a more coherent education masterplan, so things will continue to evolve along uneven lines.......that doesn't mean we should NOT strive to improve the situation.......

yes, of course the end product is important...there will be many good doctors trained, together with some bad ones.....but if toyota can implement a 'zero defect' policy in their assembly lines, should we not also strive to have a zero-defect policy in doctor training?........

if so, then tell me what can be done to attempt a zero-defect production.......?....toyota uses a strict zero defect acceptance of parts as one of the measures.........

the final key word here is QUALITY.......justification that everybody should be given a chance is not QUALITY......it's MEDIOCRITY of the lowest common denominator, which is what msia education is both ipta and ipts, unfortunately......

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Added on March 7, 2009, 8:35 amas a side note.....notice i did not mention about nz........

well, nz implements a policy of giving everybody a chance.....just like what some wants here......everybody with a pass in ncea (their pre-u) can enter health sciences 1st year.........so they take in some 1200 students in auckland u.......

there are however 250 places in medicine.........so the 1200 people fight to get into 250 places........

maybe we should try that system........fair or not?........everybody, no matter your pre-u results as long as you passed, have a fair go at it........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 7 2009, 08:59 AM

that should more than qualify for pharmacy.........will even qualify for medicine in most itps.......all you need is money.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 11 2009, 12:32 PM

imu-pms and monash are premier league......

imu-local, mmmc, pmc are 1st division....... ...maybe can add aimst.......

the others 2nd division..........

eh.......we just did above......

you don't follow epl?

the sort of cut off qualifications they accept will be telling.........

you result may not get you into ipta........but it will get you into pmc/cums/mahsa/indon/russia for a fact......

may even get you into mmmc/ucsi........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Mar 17 2009, 04:09 PM

if one is so obsessed with toilets, one will find it difficult, almost impossible, to leave one's house in msia.........

that's a first........deciding which place to go study depending on the conditions of the toilets..........

and ratings too.........

bordeline result in aimst, absolutely no chance in imu.......and monash will not recognise aimst foundation.....