much of the info is available in the med student threads...

aimst degree is NOT recognised by any other country except msia.........

however, there are exams one can sit for, depending on the country one wants to go to.......but it is a difficult and long and expensive process.........and there are some exams which aimst graduates cannot sit for, as the university is not listed in their list of 'acceptable' unis...........

realistically, one will need to consider oneself tied to msia with this mbbs..........

you are confused as to what medical postgraduate education is like.......they go by different names in different countries.......for uk/australasia it's by membership and fellowships......there is no masters, except as an academic qualification (ie, an extra degree, does NOT confer recognition as a specialist).......in us, it's board certification........

for msia and spore, it is by 'masters', but this is NOT the same as the academic masters.......it has the same requirements of training and exams as the mrcp/frcs but it just means it is under the jurisdiction of the 3 'senior' unis (ie um. ukm and usm)........

to the profession in general, the mrcp/mrcog/frcs is generally regarded as more desirable and higher quality than the local masters.......because they are internationally acknowledged and recognised......spore realised this, and they thus have conjoint exams with other professional colleges, and award double diplomas (ie the spore mmed as well as a foreign membership or fellowship).......

most countries have an extra layer of 'control' over who can be a specialist, and the uk now have the cst cert (completion of specialist training).....and msia have started the nsr (national specialist register)......spore has membership/fellowship of the academy of medicine spore......

as to having more options, like said above, you are basically stuck in msia with aimst mbbs......if you want more options, you will need to graduate from a more internationally recognised medical school.......

againt, this is all the the med student thread......

to undergo postgraduate medical training, you will need to work there, and to work there, you will need to be registered as a medical practitioner, and to register, you must have a recognised degree or have passed their qualifying exams........

if your mbbs/md is not recognised in that country, then you cannot do training there.....

even if you can be registered, post graduate training is nowadays very competitive, even for their own people, let along foreigners.......

no difference....mbbs or mbchb are of british/commonwealth origin.......md of european/us origin.......a bit like commonwealth countries drives on the left and europeans/us drives on the right.......

msia decides to take the middle path, hence the mixed bag........good thing this did not extend to traffic rules.........



This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 1 2009, 07:54 PM

please read last 2 pages......helps if one reads a bit first before asking questions.....

jpa doesn't accord recognition, and general officers there will NOT know these matters.......if international recognition is important to you, you should reconsider going to aimst.......otherwise, it's good enough for practice in msia.......

the um mbbs was fully recognised by the gmc of uk till the graduating batch of 1989. Subsequent batches are not recognised due to the fact that bm is the 'official' language of the course........and the deterioration of standards......

ukm was never recognised......

spore now recognise only um and ukm.....before that, they will accept um graduates on a case by case basis.....

australia does NOT recognise any msia med degree at all.........neither does the us (but then the us recognised none out of usa and canada anyway).......

however, although you may not be able to work overseas, you can sit for postgraduate exams like mrcp, mrcog, and become specialists after completing the required training locally.......whether the royal colleges will recognise aimst basic degree for the purpose of sitting for the exams is unknown......

i think you all have to be realistic here, no msia medical degree has been recognised by any other country after ukm is recognised by spore.......even usm which is >20 years old has no recognition outside msia........

the good news is, local postgraduate opportunities have improved in msia over the last decade or so.......subject to the usual nep restrictions of course.....and mrcp remains an open exam and open pathway to medical disciplines.......for surgery, the only option left is the local masters.....frcs is closed to most msians now.......

the difference in the fees is likely the profit margin.......most ipts exist to make money for shareholders........

also, running costs defers, depending on quality and quantity of staffing, location and of course efficiency......

there is also a premium on the perceived quality of the degree and recognition elsewhere......that is how monash charge what they charge, on the basis of being an amc recognised degree......

i think anyone intending to go for the foundation, with the POTENTIAL possibility of entering medicine/dentistry should take cognisance of one thing........there is a high chance of NOT getting selected.........some 800 foundation students will be fighting for less than 200 places (some places will be given to jpa and students from stpm/a-levels/sam etc........

so i would suggest potential students enter with the right perspective.......otherwise it can be very heart breaking.........

you are mistaken..........search up the thread, i believe someone has mentioned this before, they are taking something like 700-800 foundation students, which makes it a 1 in 3-4 chance of getting into medicine/dentistry...........

so much wrong information in this forum.........

that's a quick about turn?........just a year ago, you were enthusiastic about aimst.........

that many lecturers left?......

well, you feel the difference, because you experienced the early part of your course where it looks good, and notice the difference now...........

for many students, they have no basis for comparison, and they can be in a lousy place, and thinks it's great.......that is often the case with russian graduates.......they don't realise how bad they are till they start work in msia and then they realised there are HUGE holes in their knowledge and training......sometimes......there are some with no insight.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 7 2010, 05:56 PM

the clinical years are the most important, but the most difficult to manage, as the majority of med schools do not have access to high quality hospitals with broad range of services............aimst students attached to sungei petani and adjacent hospitals will lack exposure in areas where service does not exist..........eg cardiothoracic surgery, neurorehabilitation, rheumatology etc.......

that is why many countries (uk and spore included) will only recognise 'twinning' medical degrees if the clinical years are done in the country awarding the degree.........ie pmc irish degrees are not recognised......

and also some indonesian and russian med schools......

for most people who have the opportunity to experience just 1 med school, you will not know........you cannot miss what you never had........

for people who are studying in renowned schools with a long history and a record of excellence, the background will tell you the calibre......

for the others with negative repute, well, people still go, in spite of bad reputation, on cost, or entrance opportunity reasons......ie, no money or cannot get into good med school.......russia will be an example........

people who experienced a deterioration within their study period will know......and this is what csrulez experienced......

it's ironical that people get into med school, then have to take care of themselves, self study etc.....and then graduate and during housemanship, realised they have been poorly taught, and have to relearn many new things all over again......like redoing med school in housemanship.........

learning is not difficult.......what is more difficult is UNLEARNING........if you have learn wrong things, it is difficult to undo..........