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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V129, All time high!

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Boon3
post Apr 10 2013, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Apr 10 2013, 01:29 PM)
buy buy buy !

got what to buy?

buy bluechip MAS? tongue.gif
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Still got meh?


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post Apr 11 2013, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Apr 11 2013, 12:53 AM)
buy yinson? pwroot?
Woah!!!!!!

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post Apr 11 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 11 2013, 12:34 PM)
Speaking of Ah boon3... where is that guy.. earn too much dissapear from forum already ah?

I not all graham, mix with lynch a bit... biggrin.gif
No wonder just now my left ear kept on twitching. tongue.gif

Today got what fresh tips?

KSL can or not? tongue.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 11 2013, 02:37 PM)
If I am not mistaken, Tan Sri Ting P has bankrupted 3 times. But he is in business (hotel, airport construction), not in share trading.

Came back up many times after failures. Determination, drive, vision or with govt connections?
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However, if he was any good, he should never had bankrupted the very first time.
To bankrupt 3 times means he did badly wrong 3 times. wink.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 11 2013, 03:07 PM)
bankrupt 3 times =/= fail 3 times

Richard Branson also failed many times, but he didn't go bust 3 times...
It is good to learn from your mistakes.
It is also good to learn how to pick yourself up after falling.

But being bankrupt means you failed terribly bad, many times.
It is not something to desire for.

I rather learn from my mistakes from day one and make sure I never ever be a bankrupt.
This is me.

However, if you think otherwise... err .... go ahead lah. smile.gif

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post Apr 11 2013, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 11 2013, 03:23 PM)
Bankrupt is the worst stage already, nobody hope to fall into this stage

Normally people/company fall into bankruptcy status is because they over-leverage themself with huge debt smile.gif
Yes!!!! smile.gif

I understand this kind of thinking.
You see it in the movies, person picking themselves up from bankruptcy.
You see it in the news.
Success stories from bankruptcy.
It's a good teaching that if one fail, one should not give up and that we should try and try until we succeed.

But let me say again..
While it is indeed good to pick ourselves up from failures, this is not a position we want to be in, definitely not from a bankruptcy perspective.

We are not Richard Bransons.
If we fail, there is a good chance we will not be able to pick ourselves up no matter how hard we try.
We cannot afford failures like those rich people.
Rich people can start a business venture and they can afford to let it fail
The cost of the failed project is a spit in the ocean for them.
They can afford many more failures unlike us.
We fail just one time ah.. we will die standing.

We want to learn from other mistakes so that we don't fail.

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post Apr 12 2013, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 11 2013, 09:29 PM)
Your theory apply to those average and poor person who couldnt afford  make serious mistake in stock market too.
How true! smile.gif

I remembered quite a few who gambled on Transmile after its fraud case blew open.
The reason why they gambled on it was the Kuok factor.
They opined that surely Kuok won't let Transmile die.
Rest is history.
Kuok took his million dollar losses in Transmile.
Only problem is Kuok could afford it!
If it was us...
A few thousand or a few hundred thousand losses would bring fly us straight to Holland!

End saying.. same human different life!


Stock market mistakes can kill one!


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post Apr 12 2013, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 12 2013, 09:35 AM)
Yalor.. boon gor.. tipsy leh?  tongue.gif

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Today tipsy ah?

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Don't simply follow rich people buy shares.
They rich they can afford to simply lose.
We simply lose, we lose our dai foo and more ....

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post Apr 13 2013, 08:37 AM

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Tips!

Specially for Uncle Gark! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Veggie list posted before.

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Yesterday on a down day, Mulpha (can see Mulpha name on the veggie list?) was active and at one time, it looked as if it could fly very high. tongue.gif

Reason is HDBS called it up.
It's another Iskandar play. laugh.gif

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...ndervalued.html

Iskandar theme is still rotating and got the feeling this theme will continue for some time.


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post Apr 14 2013, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Apr 13 2013, 12:18 PM)
base on the information, mulpha is deeply undervalued ?
What I posted yesterday morning was just market obersvation that there is rotation play in the Iskandar sector.

I have no interest in Mullpha and I do know that birds can fly but I don't know if Mulpha can fly.

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post Apr 16 2013, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 15 2013, 11:14 PM)
I intend to do the other way round, slowly cut my equity and trade in these commodity.
Interesting.

I guess when you say these commodities, you are referring to AU (Gold).

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At what price do you slowly plan to buy?
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post Apr 16 2013, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Apr 16 2013, 09:10 AM)
hmm.gif Gold price should has high support at 11xx...........but now not yet the price
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Buy at where you 'think' there is support?


Two school of thoughts.

1) The 10 year chart tells that AU had one hell of a bull run.

The scary thought of that statement is 10 year run only once... sweat.gif

Not a comforting thought, if you can understand this point.

(point to note, some was dismayed by the poor AU performance in 2012 because it did not challenge the previos 2011 high)

2) Some say in this grand bull run, there was NO significant correction (30% or more).
Many wanted to buy AU but only after a significant correction.
Maybe THIS could be the significant correction they are waiting for............


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post Apr 16 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Apr 16 2013, 10:34 AM)
hi sifu sekalian. good morning. i posted in CLIQ but no reply there.

so.. based on IPO prospectus.. 90% of the capital is protected for CLIQ (before deducting any taxes or charges).

So...in this case what would be the protected capital of mother share?

scenario 1
0.65*90% = 0.585

OR

Scenario 2
0.75*90% =0.675

correct me if i am wrong pls. Warrant is jsut a rights. no underlaying value to it. And it's free. Therefore, it should be scenario 2 for the protected capital of mother share.
Go read this article about SPACs: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...11&sec=business
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post Apr 16 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Apr 16 2013, 10:51 AM)
I am just researching further cos i didn't go in the IPO. bought from market and thinking of loading more. but just curious why the price is still lower than the "guaranteed" price . Just asking for views only. wanna c what i am missing here. more heads is better smile.gif
Yes no one owes me answer. Just asking for kind support. that's all.
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I woudn't trade such shares at all.

Don't like the theory behind these type of companies.
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post Apr 16 2013, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Apr 16 2013, 11:08 AM)
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already baca. two things that throw off my understanding a little.

first is the free warrant. eventhough it's free, the listing price was 0.125 while mother is 0.625. IPO holders paid for 0.75. and 90% of the proceeds are parked in a trust. my current thoughts is 90% of 0.75 for mother share is protected and warrant is jsut a rights share. no value to it yet.

Second is that eventhough its 90% in the trust, how come other SPACs from that article fails to protect the investors?

that's why it leads to my asking for assistance to reconfirm my understanding of the 90% of 0.75 are "protected".

still researching further also.

Thanks for your help btw.
My thoughts.

Forget about the IPO pricing and the so-called free warrants already.
This is because no matter what those prices are already in the past.

Warrant is a right to buy the share in the future at the set conversion price.
I would not say there is no value in it.
In this case, IF CLIQ can develop into a REAL company by acquiring the right assets/company, this mother share will be of value.
If that happens, the warrant will have its value.

Warrant is tricky.
Sometimes it is out of value to the investing public but for the major shareholders, there is value because the warrants can be converted anytime into mother shares and when that happens, the major shareholder increases his/her stake in the company.

Second part of your question? LOL! I tak tahu. tongue.gif
I cannot comprehend why Bursa is allowing such listings.
These companies are shell companies right from the start.
With the IPO, they get the BIG FAT BLANK CHEQUE., in which the company will argue... the money is protected.
This is not business for me.




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post Apr 16 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Apr 16 2013, 11:08 AM)
i see. i think i saw a few companies in ASX that do this. not sure whether they are SPAC style or not. but the companies is like project proponent/developer with just key managements and no assets and some capital. If key management manage to develop the project, then only will have assets. Not many manage to fly.
I hope you understand that this is just a matter of preference.
Even though, I am a trader, there are many stocks I do not and will not touch. biggrin.gif

This is not to say these stocks that I do not trade have no hope and cannot fly. sweat.gif
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post Apr 17 2013, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Apr 16 2013, 03:40 PM)
Thanks a lot for the comments Boon, Sky,gark and all. I can some perspectives now

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No problem la.

Remember I don't and I won't trade shares like SPAC because I feel how the whole idea behind SPACs is nonsense. The market is giving the company MONEY to BUY a business. rolleyes.gif

That said, market will point to the 'success' of Hibiscus in terms of share performance.... sweat.gif
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post Apr 17 2013, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 17 2013, 08:40 AM)
Discussion of GE13, please go here...
http://forum.lowyat.net/MalaysiaVotes2013

We will end up quarreling with each other if we talk election in this forum  tongue.gif
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You like to be a forum traffic officer hor.

ps: In a forum, educated forumers share their different view points. It is normal.
Those that love to quarrel... should really stick to play angry birds. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Apr 17 2013, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 16 2013, 11:13 PM)
Might be right hand transfer left hand.
If waterfish like this hard to get 6% DY.
Err.. some of EPF's funds are outsourced and managed by external fund managers.

This is why it's so common to 'see' EPF buying and selling on the same day itself.
It's exactly like selling from right hand to left hand.

However if you open UEM Land's announcements, near the bottom, you can see that EPF board itself is not selling or buying.
It's the external fund managers which are doing the buying and selling.
In UEM Land's case, it's CIMB PRI, Alliance and ARIM (don't ask me the short forms. tongue.gif)

I wouldn't blame them actually.
For the selling fund, UEM Land share price has gone up a lot since last SEP 2012.
I remembered noting in the Bursa Trader forum that it was around 1.70 then.
If the funds like CIMB bought during then, it is hard to fault them for selling leh.
It's good profit.


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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 16 2013, 05:46 PM)
I guarantee they will find a piece of business within 3 years, otherwise the spac operator will only earn 10%.

They will find a business which is bought at low price and then sell to the spac at high price. Like this they will earn much much more.


Later the business bungkus... they day dunno arrr.. when bought that time good ah... now blame the world economy.  tongue.gif

No different that relisting of the many counters in share market. Like Astro delist at PE 15, sell back to you at PE 30 + without the international operations. IOI properties is next... you cannot win over the big boys one eh. whistling.gif
Well said Uncle!

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