As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

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i know a few girls like ur friend, think they so great and mighthy, marry money & power so they can show off. 

remind her that flowers have short life spans. she marries for money & status, he marries for her beauty. ten years down the line, when she has wrinkles, cellulite, love handles, spider veins etc, let's see if he still loves her. 

i know a few girls like ur friend, think they so great and mighthy, marry money & power so they can show off. 

remind her that flowers have short life spans. she marries for money & status, he marries for her beauty. ten years down the line, when she has wrinkles, cellulite, love handles, spider veins etc, let's see if he still loves her. 

Most probably not, but always remember that our court system are getting more women oriented by time. Went through Tropicana City Mall on Sat just to see many bays were changed into pink with 'Ladies only' label. In this growing feminism now, women are sacred creatures while we men are disposables.

So if the rich bugger wanted to trade up, he will think twice or else he will be risking his hard earned money over that wrinkly, cellulite ridden bag of bones because she knew that she can still get him to pay after a divorce.

i guess for guys that are afraid of women cashing in after divorce, dont get married in the first place! it is a modern world, nothing bad about wanting to live a bachelor's life.

i agree about the growing trend of feminism. but how a women takes it is individual. i do not believe i am sacred and i do not believe men are disposable. My father is a man, my brothers are men, my husband is a man and i value them as much as i value my own life.

however i do believe that in certain segments of society women do not have the same bargaining power as a gal like me and they do need some extra protection. By certain segments i mean the poor, where women are brought up without education, without the freedom to choose and without self worth.

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no money ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...

fixed.

A successful man should be without any financial woes and a partner who back him up in times of needs.
If her ex is successful than her one day, i think she will cry and regret one day she made a stupid decision by dumping him.

wont 1 la, by the time the ex sucessful she already marry to 1 dato that going to die soon. waiting to split harta riao 

wont 1 la, by the time the ex sucessful she already marry to 1 dato that going to die soon. waiting to split harta riao 

on which what she did in the first place was proven to be stupid.
She is cheapening her dignity.

just bcos she THINKS she can do better, doesnt mean she actually can.

Dato can get models etc, y want her?

rich guys can get rich hot girls, y wanna settle for middle class girl? she looks at "status", she thinks the guy doesnt look at "status" too? plus, most rich mother in laws are PAINFUL!!!

dato'/rich guys will play with her but they didnt become dato/rich guys without being smart enough to recognise when a girls is after their money/status. 

i guess for guys that are afraid of women cashing in after divorce, dont get married in the first place! it is a modern world, nothing bad about wanting to live a bachelor's life.

i agree about the growing trend of feminism. but how a women takes it is individual. i do not believe i am sacred and i do not believe men are disposable. My father is a man, my brothers are men, my husband is a man and i value them as much as i value my own life.

however i do believe that in certain segments of society women do not have the same bargaining power as a gal like me and they do need some extra protection. By certain segments i mean the poor, where women are brought up without education, without the freedom to choose and without self worth.

why u 2 fella sound so serious 1     

kekekeke, i dont like gold diggers, they give us normal girls a bad rep 

Or sign a prenup that states clearly on the wealth distribution in case of divorce. But again, what are the chances of any woman wanting to sign a fair deal when they know they can screw men in court (using kids as pawns) for money and property.

my loyer friend said prenup not valid in msian.

Feminism growing is one thing, but it had ran way over its purpose than what it started off initially. You may be an exception (and you got my respect for that) but as far as I am concerned, if the general women population were offered with more than they can deliver/provide they will absolutely take it. They easily screw their moral and traditional obligations as long as they get the convenience to do things and then claim the credit on them when it was the males who did more of the ground work and sacrificing their lives.

i dont know if it is "general women population", but i agree that there is a segment that takes feminism to a dif level.

Women that deserves protection are women that reciprocate kindness towards them, not using men (in addition of demonizing them as well) for their utmost convenience.

i think we are talking about two very dif segments of society. women who deserve protection tend to be the poorer/less educated/more submissive segment of society. women who use men and demonise them tend to be better educated/more dominant. the latter in my opinion dont deserve protection from external parties as they can perfectly take care of themselves.

And since it was the women who wanted to subsribe to the feminist beliefs they should be the ones that has to protect themselves, not blaming men on every downfall that happen due to their own unwise decision of the past.

I think what most men uniquely deceive themselves of is that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices. Learn this now, you wont. You can’t be because women fundamentally lack the ability to fully realize, much less appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate her reality. Even the most enlightened, appreciative woman you know still operates in a feminne-centric reality. Men making the personal sacrifices necessary to honor, respect and love her are commonplace. You’re supposed to do those things. You sacrificed your ambitions and potential to provide her with a better life? You were supposed to. You resisted temptation and didn’t cheat on your wife with the hot secretary who was DTF and ready to go? You were supposed to. Your responsibilities to maintaining a marriage, a home, your family, etc. are common – they’re expected. They are only appreciated in their absence.

This is the totality of the feminine-centric reality. Men only exist to facilitate the feminine reality, and any man who disputes this (or even analyzes its aspects) is therefore not a ‘man’. It just IS. Even the most self-serving, maverick among men is still beholden to the feminine imperative in that he’s only defined as a rebel because he doesn’t comply with the common practices of ‘men’ in a female defined reality. And ironically it’s just this maverick who is appreciated by the feminine above those men who would comply with it (or even promote it)  as a matter of course.

The concept of appreciation really dovetails into a lot of other aspects of intergender relations.

why u 2 fella sound so serious 1     

CIMB management ah? ok i go find who

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...

Most probably not, but always remember that our court system are getting more women oriented by time. Went through Tropicana City Mall on Sat just to see many bays were changed into pink with 'Ladies only' label. In this growing feminism now, women are sacred creatures while we men are disposables.

So if the rich bugger wanted to trade up, he will think twice or else he will be risking his hard earned money over that wrinkly, cellulite ridden bag of bones because she knew that she can still get him to pay after a divorce.

Obviously, the girl have a strong future. Management Trainee in CIMB. That's a strong threshold.

I will describe a successful man as in financial stable and have a stable career. Earn a lot or less is just a number. Able to use the money wisely is an important issue. That's what I consider a successful.  Also, able to maintain a good relations with friends and love ones are criteria for a successful man. That's what in my mind

trainee only, already put high status.

not even fully employed...

If she think she`s that good, prove it.

A successful man is always the man with deep pockets. But of course, with brains and attitude to keep the money growing and has the balls to kick any female leech out from his life.
Btw ts your friend may dump the man who she perceives as a loser, but any more 'successful' man that knew her case will perceive her as a sperm depositary aka human toilet.

i know a few girls like ur friend, think they so great and mighthy, marry money & power so they can show off. 

remind her that flowers have short life spans. she marries for money & status, he marries for her beauty. ten years down the line, when she has wrinkles, cellulite, love handles, spider veins etc, let's see if he still loves her. 

In all my life I've done really crazy and stupid stuff,however your dear friend just took the crown..

I hope there's more to the story than that. Maybe they just don't have enough chemistry. If u understand what u need to make u happy and there are other pple out there who can provide better, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to end rship early. It still doens't sound pleasant.. but even for me sometimes u think love is enough but if after some time u feel like u are doing everything for your partner then it sucks.

CIMB management ah? ok i go find who

1) If the define "no future" as mean by the bf low ambition, then a lot of guys will be out. As many gals holding high positions nowadays.

2) If the define "no future" as mean by good guys characters such as financial control/saving, then I understand why she dump her bf.

My definition of successful man is:
A) Have good stable career and able feed the family, wife, to-be-children(good financial condition, does not have to be rich)
B) 2C(Caring for each other, Compatibility with each other)

Flower will fade with time. As long as both gal/guy care for each other and tolerate, relationship will last.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder
If the rich guy does not do Donald Trump prenuptial agreement, then it should be good for the woman to enjoy.

dear all,

thanks for the strong response..... 

the purpose of creating this thread is to reflect my ownself actually..... i m still single and would like to date a chick with brain (like my friend in this thread for example), my belief are so long both of us can clique/click (i dunno how to spell it), can make her happy - not in monetary- then we are good to proceed to next level of relationship.... in fact, seems like I need the another factor, or most important factor, be a succesful person, which i m not  for now since i m just a freshie  who just started to work in a SME currently... 

dear all,

thanks for the strong response..... 

the purpose of creating this thread is to reflect my ownself actually..... i m still single and would like to date a chick with brain (like my friend in this thread for example), my belief are so long both of us can clique/click (i dunno how to spell it), can make her happy - not in monetary- then we are good to proceed to next level of relationship.... in fact, seems like I need the another factor, or most important factor, be a succesful person, which i m not  for now since i m just a freshie  who just started to work in a SME currently... 

you may say, " please pee and look at yourself in the pee" or who do you think you are or do you deserve this kind of gal?    well, i m just prefer and wish to date this kind of chick la.... i bet you do right??? not just me... xD

will provide more detail about my friend later, gona dig her news more... 
still live with parents, earn less than you , but trying his best to save money, and climbing up corporate ladder, is that ok with u? or is that consider a guy with good prospect????  not a succesful man yet... 
she felt she deserves better because of her beauty and intellectual.... what you say?
CIMB managmenet trainee yo, hard to enter ler.... and yes she is pretty, but sorry no drillz cause abit dangerous...

how is their life now? are they happy with it or they are just faking it? or you have no idea at all???

I think they are happy with the money and the comfort but i also think that most are insecure cos they opted to be tai tais.

lets put her situation in your shoe, will u dump your bf if you find him not going to be succesful ?

No i wouldnt. I chose my hubby over a rich boy when i was choosing a bf. best decision of my life.

or he is struggling to become succesful, but yet you already accomplished , like can afford to buy a house, earn more than him , etc-etc....

Until recently, we have both been struggling to survive in the adult world. But it was worst for him cause he needs to financially support his parents too.

dear all,

thanks for the strong response..... 

the purpose of creating this thread is to reflect my ownself actually..... i m still single and would like to date a chick with brain (like my friend in this thread for example), my belief are so long both of us can clique/click (i dunno how to spell it), can make her happy - not in monetary- then we are good to proceed to next level of relationship.... in fact, seems like I need the another factor, or most important factor, be a succesful person, which i m not  for now since i m just a freshie  who just started to work in a SME currently... 

you may say, " please pee and look at yourself in the pee" or who do you think you are or do you deserve this kind of gal?    well, i m just prefer and wish to date this kind of chick la.... i bet you do right??? not just me... xD

Successful men defned as edison chen

Successful must be leng chai like SC's Apek.

dear all,

thanks for the strong response..... 

the purpose of creating this thread is to reflect my ownself actually..... i m still single and would like to date a chick with brain (like my friend in this thread for example), my belief are so long both of us can clique/click (i dunno how to spell it), can make her happy - not in monetary- then we are good to proceed to next level of relationship.... in fact, seems like I need the another factor, or most important factor, be a succesful person, which i m not  for now since i m just a freshie  who just started to work in a SME currently... 

you may say, " please pee and look at yourself in the pee" or who do you think you are or do you deserve this kind of gal?    well, i m just prefer and wish to date this kind of chick la.... i bet you do right??? not just me... xD

will provide more detail about my friend later, gona dig her news more... 
still live with parents, earn less than you , but trying his best to save money, and climbing up corporate ladder, is that ok with u? or is that consider a guy with good prospect????  not a succesful man yet... 
she felt she deserves better because of her beauty and intellectual.... what you say?
CIMB managmenet trainee yo, hard to enter ler.... and yes she is pretty, but sorry no drillz cause abit dangerous...

I was thinking to reply this!!! A successful man must be LENG ZAI!!!

Also must have 3 boob?

not all girls dig that. 
you don't need to be a director to get a girlfriend nor you need to be rich to get one. But if you had shown any disrespect towards them, well, good luck be foreveralone.

if you want to date a model, can. Be sure to gauge yourself first. If you are not competent enough to date such people, then what you can do is DREAM ON.
Seriously get a gf which ask you to be loyal, sincere and be yourself is much more simpler. Despite all those behavior matching between you and your partner, and you still manage to get along, well that time you will know that she is the one.

you are a dude isnt it ? 

can you please elaborate more for (1) & (2)???

My definition of successful man is:
A) Have good stable career and able feed the family, wife, to-be-children(good financial condition, does not have to be rich)
B) 2C(Caring for each other, Compatibility with each other)

Guess, I've done that a few times already but they annoyed me. What other choice did I have?

cos they won't give you things you demanded from them? or practically they are just b!tches..?

Well sort of. 1 of them was hogging all the lab work which I wanted to do as well

attention seeker..

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

Who? Her? or me?

her.

This is where you are wrong,  A woman's natural assets are her youth, but his asset is a depreciating asset - i mean youth and looks.  As the woman grows older, her youth and looks will decline and men who are after youth and looks will look else where. Hence, a woman must have some level of certainty before committing herself to a relationship.  What if it does not work out or this dude fails in the rat race.

But do not doubt yourself and always believe in yourself - what makes a man attractive is self confidence.  Hence, the most attractive men are often the married men, cos these men have nothing to lose if the chick does not want them,  Get my drift - don't act desperate.  Be yourself - Be Kind - Be Compassionate - Be Sincere - Be Confident -

Since you're reflecting on yourself, I'll be a little harsh on you so you can set yourself straight. As it stands, you won't be a successful man. If you keep your attitude the way it is, you will never be a successful man. Why? Because you are not defining your own worth. You're asking others what "successful" is, you're asking others to determine your worth.

THAT IS WRONG

Your success is determined by your own life goals. You set it yourself, and you work to achieve it. Everyone's going to have different goals in life, often you might look at someone and think he's successful, but he himself might not think so, because his goals are set much higher. Likewise others might look at someone living a simple life and think he's not successful, but in fact he's happy living the life the way it is.

Ultimately, find out what you want and just work towards it. That will put you on the path to success.

1) If the define "no future" as mean by the bf low ambition, then a lot of guys will be out. As many gals holding high positions nowadays.
Many policies and laws are tailored towards women currently. More women study at universities compared to guys. There is one thread on CC that ask about whether women consider guy education level first before entering the relationship with guy. Ambition is the key here, if the guy does not make plan for future(such as prepare for marriage after in a stable relationship), I wont be surprise gal will dump such guy for other better guy out there. Planning for both gal/guy future together, such as buy house, etc.

2) If the define "no future" as mean by good guys characters such as financial control/saving, then I understand why she dump her bf.
There is a saying that goes "My money is my money, your money is my money." If guy cannot even feed his own other half, what will make the guy able to feed the whole family? The guy does not have to be rich, just good at saving money time and again. Also caring and trust each other. See below for good guys characters.

i guess for guys that are afraid of women cashing in after divorce, dont get married in the first place! it is a modern world, nothing bad about wanting to live a bachelor's life.

i agree about the growing trend of feminism. but how a women takes it is individual. i do not believe i am sacred and i do not believe men are disposable. My father is a man, my brothers are men, my husband is a man and i value them as much as i value my own life.

however i do believe that in certain segments of society women do not have the same bargaining power as a gal like me and they do need some extra protection. By certain segments i mean the poor, where women are brought up without education, without the freedom to choose and without self worth.

my senior (a female) at work once told me for a guy to be succesful, he has to be rich, for a girl to be succesful she has to find the succesful guy.

What about the men who are poor and brought up without education?

Another statement that implies women are prostitutes. I don't know why aren't any women up in arms on this.

It implies that SOME women are no better than prostitutes. I'm not at arms on this because it is true.

There is no such thing as SOME. Its either generally its like that or not like that.

To be frank I have never seen a hot chick that are with a poor loser guy. So I would correct it to 'MOST'.

They do have protection, we are moving towards a less gender bias society. The world is starting to recognise that men too can be victims of domestic violence etc and have started to take action in protecting them. Unfortunately msia is still far behind. But seriously, if u feel so strongly about issues involving men's rights, why dont u join a men's rights NGO to voice out your concerns. After all, pre election is the best time to be heard.

It implies that SOME women are no better than prostitutes. I'm not at arms on this because it is true.

It's not some, it is MOST. Most women will not marry a man who is financially worse off than her.

I don't feel very strongly involving men's rights as I am not a sexist. I do, however, feel very strong AGAINST issues involving women's rights, constantly claiming victimhood for "extra protection", which they don't need because they choose to ignore that men have the same problems too, worse in fact.

What happened if the man is gay? Does he immediately become unworthy even if he's the richest man in the world just because of his sexuality that most likely won't benefit female?

trainee only, already put high status.

not even fully employed...

If she think she`s that good, prove it.

School flower? CIMB trainee? Not even confirmed but already with such high status? 

School flower? CIMB trainee? Not even confirmed but already with such high status? 

When she is confirmed and get a better position, gets in a better position with the high ranked officers, gets a promotion, I am sorry to tell you, you might not have enough standard to be her friend anymore. This is what she will hint you soon. Don't think you are out of the target range. It iwll just be a few name in the list before it reaches you, TS.

What happened if the man is gay? Does he immediately become unworthy even if he's the richest man in the world just because of his sexuality that most likely won't benefit female?

Just wondering cos i noob, what is a CIMB trainee training towards? Investment banking? Relationship manager?

As per topic, how do you define successful man?

my friend dumped her bf because she think he have no future ... My friend was a "school flower" or prettiest gal back in secondary high, and today she is still pretty and working in CIMB management trainee..

Feel free to comment...
updated:

apparently, my friend dumped him cause he always laze around, couldnt bother to find a job after graduate....  have no idea what he wants or wat to achieve in life other than, enjoying life (like those college kids)...  no offence to college kids, cause you are still studying, you do deserve to enjoy life for now....

so yeah, if were my friend, i also will dump him... 

Just wondering cos i noob, what is a CIMB trainee training towards? Investment banking? Relationship manager? 

I cant agree or disagree with your contention, at best we are both judging from the pool of women we know personally.

From reading ur posts, u seem to have a very negative view of women. I hope ur female friends/gfs are not like the women u dislike. If they are, u might want to consider looking for better quality female companions.

I'm not against or for the concept of "extra protection".  It depends on the facts, for example, i dont think women should have an advantage in the work force by merely being a women eg having a quota system for management. However, i believe that women should be protected from being fired from their employment when the basis for firing is solely on the fact that she is pregnant and will need to go on maternity leave.

Anyway, i think this is better discussed in Real World Issues so i will stop commenting further.

I'm sure you do not discriminate against snakes when you encounter them as the pool of snakes you know are different from the pool of snakes I know, and will willingly see if they will strike you or if they're venomous.