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SUStikaram
post May 20 2013, 08:29 AM

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do you know?

if u expected rm to go down.

u don;t need to convert your rm to others.

u still can hedge again rm value down by investing in good malaysia palm oil stock and conmpany like air asia earning big foregn currency. brows.gif brows.gif




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post May 20 2013, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 09:50 AM)
Don't need to become like Zimbabwe.

Become like Vietnam can already. Did you know that Vietnam real estate crashed almost 30% (and some around 50% for particular location) in the last 8 months due to oversupply and low demand? LOL.

Is Malaysia better than Vietnam? Not really IMO. All BBBBB camp desperately hope and pray for Singapore ppl to save our prop market lol.
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correct.

vietnam is over supply and not able to afford it.

poeple said it is due to bank. we know that vietname bank all the while not lending cheap money. so if the banking never changed how come people can said due to not getting cheap money result drop so much?

it is the oversupply and the affordable problem.

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post May 20 2013, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ May 20 2013, 10:47 AM)
Do we have to pay GST for buying property in case barang naik implements GST?
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indirectly already included on the developer materials price.
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post May 20 2013, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(HiT-AbLe @ May 20 2013, 11:01 AM)
So the sale price won't kena GST, but those building materials will kena tax? If it's the case I can only see the property price will keep increasing.
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no crsytal ball.

some materials tax exempted

developer can use cheaper materials

developer can build smaller size

developer can use techonolgy to build high volumn and reduce cost.

property cycle

affordable issues

interest to go up soon

mrt will increase more supply of land, place hot become not hot soon.

no crystal ball but many people saying buy less than 400k if you really need to buy. Above 400k not able to rent out so easy.

but very sure supply > demand right now, So buy if got staff discount, associate duiscount etc & subsales that below bank valuation is sure win.

people stop buying bcs PRU uncertainty might buy in the next few months. After that depend on economy and consumer pocket. Good luck to flipper with not so deep pocket.

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post May 20 2013, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(cranx @ May 20 2013, 12:11 PM)
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/property/23...ia-pacific.html

Property price correction expected in Asia Pacific.

*Malaysia is likely to see rebound in activity in the property market following the recently concluded general election.
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we continue to have bad news. doh.gif


Chinese businessmen say boycott on community’s products “racist”, will hurt economy



KUALA LUMPUR, May 19 ― The call by pro-Umno bloggers and Muslim groups for a boycott of Chinese businesses is racist and will harm the country’s economic growth, according to businessmen from the community.

Malaysia’s gross domestic product (GDP) expanded by 4.1 per cent in the first quarter of the year as a result of weaker exports and slower growth in public spending, compared to 4.7 per cent in the same quarter in 2012 and 6.4 per cent in the last quarter of 2012.


http://my.news.yahoo.com/chinese-businessm...-032851235.html

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post May 20 2013, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 02:07 PM)
Lrn2read boy.

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Selling at around the 440-450 mark. Target 8% profit in a couple of weeks.

Hard lesson learned from the share market when I was younger and more stupid. Never be too greedy.


Don't troll here la, unlikely you can even afford one prop so free to tcss all day.
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post May 20 2013, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ May 20 2013, 02:39 PM)
Wow!...

look like this guy is good.

I just did what he said last week " If you buy a ready-built matured property which is way below the brand-new high priced property nearby, you have almost certainly made money."

copy from pai book?

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post May 20 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 20 2013, 07:19 PM)
GST proposed is 4% confirmed. But the stupid minister now say it is 7%.

Being a businessmen, they will take advantage and increase their prices too. Just like sugar increase by RM0.20/kg, a cup of teh tarik increase by RM0.10.

So even at 4% GST, the final price of building material will be an unknown.

Have you bought any recently ? Take advantage and commit some units in this 1-2 months. Sure make money. We are not talking about long term economy fundamentals now. Not talking about USA/Euro economy, fiat money, QE infinity etc now. We are talking about the 1 off chance of a life time for the next 2-4 months

If you are in business, then go stock up now ! Traders and manufacturers are already starting to stock up their inventories. Since you are in legal profession, nothing much you can do. But you can buy properties !  thumbup.gif
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wow....

up up camp already syiok themself already........

market so bad really?........now scaring people with GST to push up price?.....

..need to lower down your price them people will buy from you. or else...slow slow wait la.

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post May 21 2013, 12:44 AM

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[quote=Dern,May 21 2013, 01:29 AM]
you say ppl sensitive, you also sensitive wor...aiyoh this grandma... rclxms.gif of course no one is gonna share with you cheap stuff. have you bought you flora damansara ? there's a lot of indons there you can sell butt as part time work...im sure yours is round and smooth brows.gif
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post May 21 2013, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(Dern @ May 21 2013, 01:16 AM)
hhmmm, sounds like those gay guys are running out of guys to sell their butts. are they starting to evolve to become pondans ? usually pondans will like to harass guys, check out guys what they are doing, trying to act like a "pat poh".....hhhmmmm

i think their action sounds like it....but seriously tikaram, u have to understand such people in real life indeed is living in a very pity life. they have no choice but to do such things...either they are unemployed or they have to do such job to get "pity money" from certain people with vested interests.
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opps ....to those always check my backside... like worgen zuiko.....i regret to make conversation with you....but now i wish u ignore me and i ignore u........... i am married man with young and beautiful wife... pls leave me alone.........thanks ya. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post May 21 2013, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Selectt @ May 21 2013, 11:50 AM)
hey bro... can i see your pretty young wife so i can wow? biggrin.gif
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post May 22 2013, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(teohkpin @ May 22 2013, 06:21 PM)
with this kind of market nothing to shout about with a 9% return.
some stock giving me 60% return within 4 months.
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but this like maybe only 5 times in a person life.

u may get more 20 times worst if u did the same.

5 our of 20 times =25% changes.

But 9% return u can get almost 75% chances.

no?

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post May 23 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 23 2013, 11:14 AM)
both stocks and property would have extreme sucess cases and also failure cases.

joe might earn a decent 9% x 4 x 3 = 108% return. but 108% return based on consistently achieving 9% roi 4 times a year for three straight years.

worgen's scenario is based on 300k to 600k. 100% return in 3 years. but if recalculated based on cash down, it's 300k/30k = 1000% return.

but of course, there are cases of stocks gaining >30% in a day too.
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what so big deal until need to announce here?

I have make a paper gain of >55% too on gamuda warrant in less than 15 months.

Do I need to act like some up up up camp challenge people? got steel ball la this and that la.

be mature some up up up camp kid. doh.gif








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post May 23 2013, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 23 2013, 11:45 AM)
mr. accountant, mind sharing how you derive the 55% profit and duration of 15 months?
or the attachment has got nothing to do with your posting?
not well verse with shares. please share share, k?
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can we stop all this share things?

go ask your remiser.
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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 23 2013, 01:43 PM)
300k gain?
RGPT not required to pay?
Early loan settlement penalty + interests costs not required to pay?
S&P, agent fee, plus plus not required to pay?

And guaranteed the home will cost 600k in 3 years? What makes you so sure it won't turn into another Kampung Medan or Flora Damansara?

You are comparing actual realised gains with wild predictions of ideal situations. In one case, it's 9% in pocket, guaranteed. The other case, someone's fantasy of what things could be like in 3 years based on their prediction.

Do tell me which is more preferable.
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what do u espect words from same groups?

he also forgot.( beside above)

not able to sleep at night tongue.gif

and have to forgone time for vacation, no time to play with kids, entertainment, sex, spend time in office ( resulted not getting that increment/ bonus) on lowyat, propertywtf etc.. ----> keyboard guy to convince others property always up up up, keow tiau uncle can earn 10k, teacher 20 k, malaysian still cheap compare singapore...calling people tic tac, checking people backside....and login zuiko, etec & logout for another accounts here. tongue.gif

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post May 23 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 23 2013, 03:01 PM)
funny... i always thought monitoring shares movement is more stressful and time consuming compared to monitoring properties investment.
guess i am wrong.
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sure you are wrong.

you already said u are "not well verse with shares" and "most super wealthy people made their millions from shares, and not properties."

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post May 23 2013, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 23 2013, 03:14 PM)
no problem with me being wrong.
only problem is you can't or won't answer a question i post to you earlier.
not wrong for me to ask. and certainly not wrong for you to decline help to those who requested.
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i already answer " can we stop all this share things?"

u bring it up again. for me u are not matching yours " no problem with me being wrong."

u are actually 不接纳 that u are wrong. tongue.gif

this is property section. so again. can we stop all this share things?

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post May 23 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(terryble @ May 23 2013, 12:57 PM)
Bias view~~sinz u have already owned 2 properties~~ tongue.gif

Anyway I am not an expert in property market, below are just my 2 cents based on the basic supply and demand theory~~

Typical Malaysian (in KL to be specific) may find it hard to cope with the current property prices, this is why it makes property below 500k is very attractive and were taken up at an insanely fast speed. Property over 500k is hot as well due to speculation/investment PLUS EXTERNAL DEMAND which is fuelling the higher end market. The demand SEEMS to be good (if not crazy)~~

But banks are slowly closing their tap, getting more stringent in the approval process, more reject loan cases happened, not a healthy sign for demand

At the fundamental level, actual citizens who are really moving into the new property is rather low and slow. If you look at the threads posted here, the occupancy rate for new condos, like scott garden, G-residence, Zest or even Setia Walk some what worries me, after one year still below 70%?

On the supply side, developer are taking advantage of the increasing property price, most of them were RUSHING for new projects, supply is plenty and sales is good, project financing is not a big problem. The downside is that, most of them were aiming for higher end market with prices above RM500k, again, foreigners (external demand) can buy these units upfront with basically no obstacles, sales seems to be no problem again and hence more high end construction, units are getting smaller in order to squeeze more revenue from the piece of land.

At the wider market, China is slowing down, USA is recovering slower than expected, Japan suffering due to strong yen, Europe in never ending deep shit, the macro outcome does not seems good. External demand may be limited in the near future.

My conclusion:-

With supply increasing and fundamental demand unable to catch up, if the external demand is, weaken / stopped / regulated then the effect on local market might be great. Local demand is strong for lower end property where working class is struggling to get one. Higher end ones, how many of you are actually buying for own use? Some say rental market in KL is growing, but the supply is even more.

Therefore, with all the above, I believe we are moving towards the property bubble… but of course no one can predict when it will happen, some mentioned it years ago and it never happen and prices continue to grow. But if all this unhealthy e

As a new property owner, I do hope the prices will maintain and grow at a reasonable rate and not the current booming rate.
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I agree with you.

I am down camp.

I said property will drop, that's make me down camp.

But, I never said i won't buy.

So, 2 different things here.

Now i bought price still cheap. Not those 500K

Being down camp so cannot buy fire sales meah? example, Now i bougth for rent wo. exmaple like kepong sentral? now price up after i bought?

http://www.iproperty.com.my/property/searc...u=&ns=1&sby=pdz

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post May 23 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ May 23 2013, 04:08 PM)
so are you are happy being wrong?
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i said property will drop...but it is about overall market will drop.

My finding, I still found those 200k to 300k good location price still low and slowly up and can generate very good rental income which i am more ok with now ( aggressive to more conservative now).

Imaging a low and medium cost apartment 800 sqf in so so location launching 220K now.

But u can find another subsale condo in KL selling 900sqf = 205k and can get rent 1180/ month. bank valuation 260k

Sorry the rest cannot share out. Until I finish nail it.

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