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post Sep 4 2013, 08:59 PM

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OCBC FRNID - A potential to earn 4.5% p.a. for 5 years term --> This is not FD

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post Sep 4 2013, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 09:10 PM)
Young man, don't pretend to be like this old man,  brows.gif , still pretend to be strong but need to be out on stretcher under certain situation.  rclxm9.gif

You should go and buy a house, don't delay for too long lah ...........

Have been using AmBank since 2012 for FD when they have promotions. Was there this year also. Getting FD cert on the same day.  biggrin.gif
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Young goat.. I do not need to use stretcher based on my many years experience, I can PK anyone of them
easily.. biggrin.gif

Did Am Bank have any attractive FD promo during last year? hmm.gif I do not think so la..

House is so expensive now, how to buy..? sweat.gif

You made good money from CIMB's FRNID at 5.2% for 2 to 3 years..no wonder you are so young and rich.. biggrin.gif

What do you think of OCBC's FRNID?
What was the minimum Ringgit amount for your CIMB FRNID? Now you do not have it anymore?

I think I placed my last FD in Am Bank was about more than 2 years ago..
Am Bank's Top Rate FD Promos were so hot at that time..

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post Sep 4 2013, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 4 2013, 09:16 PM)
Hmm... looks like a Structured Deposits product.  No guarantee on performance or return but at least can guarantee initial capital. Must be at least 5 years locked in?  hmm.gif
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Yes, must be 5 years term. Otherwise, you will lose money, something like compensation or penalty..
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post Sep 4 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2013, 09:40 PM)
FRIND is not a FD, why post in FD thread.  laugh.gif
Although also contain F & D.  laugh.gif

It is more towards investment already.
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Sorry..the post has been deleted.. sweat.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 09:43 PM)
Say only, still need proof !!  brows.gif

CIMB one I think the minimum is 50k or 60k, started Jan 2012 for the revised one. Before this one, the rate was better but they recalled it and issued new one. It is Callable !!  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 09:36 PM)
Ha you missed my last question on when was the last time the young BoomChaCha was in AmBank ( I edited the message while you replied).


The last FD I placed with Am Bank was about 2 years ago.

QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 09:36 PM)
AmBank has one last year around May/June which tie up with credit card application (add'l 0.1% interest). The FD was due this year and I pulled it out. But on Jan 2013 they also have another promotion which I also placed FD (have to check the cert for the rate, probably 3.7 to 3.8% range).


I have never wanted to place FD bundled with a credit/debit card.

QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 09:36 PM)
The CIMB FRNID that I bought is for 10 years duration. But they have been paying out the 5.2% every 3 months.
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Good return rate..

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2013, 09:49 PM)
I never want to invest in structured product that is callable.
Totally not in investors control at all.

I experienced before, situation is good and favourable time and can reap good yield time, the bank called back.  mad.gif
Experienced with a Klibor structured investment previously.

As some newbie may confuse FRIND or any structured investment even though there are capital protected, but they are never a FD.
As stated clearly across, those investment is not PIDM, similar to one invest UT with banks, the different is banks structured it become a capital protected only.
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While the rest 10K put in warrant, options, derivatives that may win big, as they carrying leverage power to do so.
So if as planned, the 10k become 20k, the total investment final value is 120K, so equivalent to 6.66% yield investment already.

This is how can a structured investment being crafted out.
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So the bank will call back/cancel the plan when the market situation is favor to investors, or vice versa..?

Thank you so much for pointing this out.. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(gsc @ Sep 4 2013, 10:02 PM)
RM confirmed today still available till 10 Sept. I dont usually call the help line because they tell what they saw on their website which is not updated or sometimes they just tell whatever come across their minds. This apples to most banks 1-300-xxx.. line...

I always prefer call the bank staffs direct as they are the one hands-on opening and closing account..
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Really ah.. hmm.gif but sometimes if they do not know the answer, they will refer to their supervisor..

Ok anyway..I called OCBC help line this morning, and I double checked again for their FD promo rates,
these 3 FD promo will expire next Tuesday - 10 September 2013.
(1) 3.4% for 1 year (fresh fund not required)
(2) 3.7% for 1 year (fresh fund and joint account required)
(3) 4.5% for 3 months (bundled with CASA - Smart Savers)

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post Sep 4 2013, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2013, 10:42 PM)
It depends, but previously I am confident that KLIBOR won't rise, so I took the structured product, that if KLIBOR doesn't surge beyond x%, the structured product give good yield.
But sadly the bank call back the product since it has callable option.

Basically it depends on the clause set, not every product is the same, and vary from each other in term of the clauses.

Some callable due to hitting whatever threshold, some callable due to xyz condition etc.
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I am not familiar with any of these investment products at all.

I would like to listen to somebody who has previous experience with these products.

Very simple, if you say yes, then I will probably go for it.

If you say no, then I will not go for it. And this will save my time no need to study the 5 pages of materials/information,
furthermore I also do not quite understand the technical words, as well as the terms and conditions.

Thanks again.... notworthy.gif

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post Sep 4 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 11:09 PM)
Yes, exactly. By the way, this CIMB one is also Klibor related.  biggrin.gif

They recalled it and issue a new one at lower rate.  shakehead.gif
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Banks replaced a lower rate cert..? Banks are very snake.... shakehead.gif

QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 4 2013, 11:19 PM)
Respect you on your knowledge.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

I bought the CIMB FRNID being persuaded by the BM.  tongue.gif
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But so far you are NOT regret lah...you still made some good money loh.. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 5 2013, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(gsc @ Sep 5 2013, 12:11 AM)
The 3.7% is for 13 not 12 months..
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Sorry doh.gif sorry.. yes, it is for 13 months, not 1 year...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2013, 10:44 PM)
Actually, there is nothing to shout about capital guaranteed.

A 5 years structured product with capital guaranteed, if situation doesn't favourable, result in 0% return aka capital guaranteed get back, one already lose out 15% opportunity cost already.
3% pa x 5.
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May I ask you this question:

From OCBC FRNID, they projected these "Upper Barrier" interest rates:
1st Year: 3.85%
2nd Year: 4.00%
3rd Year: 4.15%
4th Year: 4.30%
5th Year: 4.45%

Based on this interest rate projection from OCBC, does it mean that the interest rate will go up in next 5 years?

Thanks...
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post Sep 5 2013, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 5 2013, 12:35 AM)
When CIMB recall, they pay you back. Then they came out new one with lower rate. It is up to you if you want to buy the new FRNID with lower rate. Seeing that I benefited from earlier one, just cursing  mad.gif and buy up the new plan with lower rate.  biggrin.gif
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This sounds ok lah.. But it was just too bad CIMB did not allow you to continue
the first plan which brought you more profit. In overall, you made good money,
congratulations to you. thumbup.gif

From OCBC FRNID, they projected these "Upper Barrier" interest rates:
1st Year: 3.85%
2nd Year: 4.00%
3rd Year: 4.15%
4th Year: 4.30%
5th Year: 4.45%

Because the RM just briefed me on the phone, so I can only roughly share this with you, it works something like this:
If the interest rate hits higher than 3.85% during the first year (2013), then investors will not earn any interest,
and if the interest maintains below 3.85% during the first year (2013), then investors will earn 4.5% p.a. interest,
and the same apply to the following from 2nd to fifth year.

So I guess your CIMB FRNID worked in this same way.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:45 AM)
Tell the RM to fly kite if the RM said FRNID or any structured product is a FD.
I hate banker do not tell customer honestly.
Ha..ha.. if the banker can tell us the truth, then they cannot sell their products..
I never trust the OCBC RM, every investment he says is just good good and good... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:45 AM)
As rule of thumb, do not understand, do not invest.
As it is 5 years commitment, if do not understand, and do not know the clause of the structured product, it can be a long painful 5 years wait if situation become unfavourable that result in capital guaranteed only.
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This is quite true, never invest in anything that we do not know about it..
Furthermore, this commitment will make us worry for 5 years, 1825 nights cannot sleep well.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2013, 01:47 AM)
No, it doesn't mean anything.

It just means your investment has hedged against the the Klibor rate surge to beyond a threshold.
Just like buying an option, derivatives product if ABC doesn't happen, you get paid, while if happen, you get nothing.
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All right.. thumbup.gif .Thanks so much.. cherroy notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2013, 02:02 AM)
Th potential risk is KLIBOR shoot beyond 3.85%, at third year, and until fifth year, while the structured product is not called back until matured (why bank want to call back if this happen whistling.gif ),
means one get nothing and only get the 1st and 2nd years, of total 7.85%, and need to wait until fifth year for the product to mature, only get back the money.

7.85% for 5 years, it works out 1.57% pa only, which is worst than FD.

While if everything goes find, you get total of 20.75% which average become 4.15%.

So we may have 3 worst, mid, best scenario, based on the info posted, as I have no info about the product.

1. 0% for 5 years, Klibor beyond 3.85% since first years, you are stucked for 5 years, and get back capital guaranteed after 5 years time, long long wait.
2. 1.57%, if Klibor surge beyond 3.85% at 3rd years until 5th years
3. 4.15%.

I am not saying the product is good or bad, just we need to have various scenario outcome, whether it is good or not, depends on individual preference.  smile.gif

It is unlikely Klibor to shoot beyond 3.85% at near future as OPR still at 3%, but we can't rule out anything entirely.
If Klibor does rise and beyond 3.85% in the future, the structured product return may be less than what FD can offer. This is the risk of it, and most important it is not a FD.

Commit 5 years and get 4.15%?
It is good if interest rate is stagnant or go lower in this 5 years.
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Thank you so much for the professional explanation.. notworthy.gif

I put back the 5 pages of OCBC FRNID on my Post #2373 on Page #119
Please let me know if you want me to delete them. Thanks again..
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Sep 5 2013, 02:26 PM)
Best reply and chances are they tell you they already did
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Ha ha.. I did ask the RM last time, he said he did not have enough money to invest.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Sep 5 2013, 02:54 PM)
Looks like we're all briefed on the same product, lol...mine's same as yours, and it's hard to understand through the phone, that's why I thought of asking when I see the RM in person. But looks like this 5 years commitment is not as worry-free as your BR's 5 year FD, so I guess you're not going for it, yes?
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Ha.. ha.. biggrin.gif I guess I feel more comfortable to put money in BR rather FRNID (NOTE: FRNID is not FD).

Let's say if we place RM 100K at 3.5% p.a. for 1 year FD, assume if the 3.5% interest rate remains constant for the
next 4 years, the total compounded interest earned for total 5 years is RM 18,768.63.

Year-------- Year Interest------ Total Interest
1----------- $ 3,500.00 ------ $ 3,500.00
2----------- $ 3,622.50 ------ $ 7,122.50
3----------- $ 3,749.29 ------ $ 10,871.79
4----------- $ 3,880.51 ------ $ 14,752.30
5----------- $ 4,016.33 ------ $ 18,768.63

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Here let's assume if we put RM 100K in OCBC FRNID at 4.5% p.a. for 5 years, if everything goes smoothly,
the total compounded interest earned for 5 years should not more than RM $ 24,618.19.

Year----- Year Interest-------- Total Interest
1-------- $ 4,500.00 -------- $ 4,500.00
2-------- $ 4,702.50 -------- $ 9,202.50
3-------- $ 4,914.11 -------- $ 14,116.61
4-------- $ 5,135.25 -------- $ 19,251.86
5-------- $ 5,366.33 -------- $ 24,618.19

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RM 24,618.19 minus RM 18,768.63 = RM 5849.56 (an optimistic figure)

So the difference is RM 5849.56, but no guarantee will earn this figure... sweat.gif

Is it worth it to invest in OCBC FRNID for 5 years just to make additional RM 5849.56?
I think this depends on individual preference..

I used this site to calculate compound interest:
http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/c...tcalculator.php

OCBC RM called me this afternoon to follow-up if I was interested in this product, he said OCBC has sold more than
RM 20 million of this FRNID.. whistling.gif

You can see the 5 pages of OCBC FRNID's terms and conditions on my Post #2373 on Page #119
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2722457/+2360

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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 5 2013, 09:27 PM)
There no such thing as 1 time fee for ATM.
Official reply from bank rakyat
Sorry, we are not provided a free annual fee charges for an ATM card at Bank Rakyat. We will charge every RM 8.00 every year.
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I just got MY BR ATM card today.

The BR officer told me the ATM card is only charged for one time fee for RM 8.00,
no more annual fee.

My BR ATM card is printed with Kad COOP...

I guess maybe we have FD there, so we got special offer for one time fee for RM 8.00..? hmm.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2013, 09:59 PM)
Btw, OPR maintained at 3%, as expected.
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Thank you so much for the update.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 5 2013, 10:21 PM)
Thanks, saved me from answering on this ATM annual fee issue.  rclxms.gif
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Is your BR ATM card printed with Kad COOP?

I think the iRakyat website is quite useful, I can see my saving account amount and FD amount there.. thumbup.gif
Ha ha.. my Titanic feeling has decreased a lot suddenly.. biggrin.gif

Thanks for asking me to apply for BR ATM card, and also remind me to use iRakyat site.. You are one of the bests la.. thumbup.gif
but still I do not need a stretcher... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(gsc @ Sep 5 2013, 08:12 PM)
Withdraw Aus$ FD yesterday at an exchange rate of 2.966 but today goes up at 2.982...still not too bad...capitalize on the +5% offer by Ocbc...
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Do you want to invest in this Foreign Currency Time Deposit Deal..?
This promo is still available until next Tuesday..
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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 5 2013, 11:27 PM)
Yes, my card is printed with Kad COOP also.  biggrin.gif

Yes, I have been logging in at least 2 times a month and xfer interest over to my main account.  rclxms.gif

Keh keh (coughing), old man glad you are happy !  thumbup.gif Ya, young man is strong and can go on PK'ing,  brows.gif  while me ? Aiya, look into banks website and check interest and smile as interest accumulate .................  whistling.gif
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I am curious what is the difference in between Kad COOP and regular BR ATM card..?

I hope iRakyat online security system is up to date.
And we'd better change our password frequently.
I think there is pro and con to use ATM card and iRakyat online system, provided the online system is 100% secured.

We can use BR ATM machine to transfer fund (from RM 3K to RM 5K per day) to other banks on the same day, but it will charge RM 1.

Wah..hah.. check interest coming every 2 weeks.. thumbup.gif Really Steady...

QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 5 2013, 09:27 PM)
There no such thing as 1 time fee for ATM.
Official reply from bank rakyat
Sorry, we are not provided a free annual fee charges for an ATM card at Bank Rakyat. We will charge every RM 8.00 every year.
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This is true, Kad COOP does not charge annual fee, but just need to pay one time application fee for RM 8.00.
Check out this link please:
http://www.bankrakyat.com.my/web/guest/kadcoop

Hua....Just noticed you also cc to 5 more BR staffs on your email... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(gsc @ Sep 6 2013, 01:33 AM)
I just ended my foreign currency FD. Have to wait for better rate. Last time the rate I bought was 2.916 and I converted it back to RM at 2.966 yesterday..
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Ha ha, well done on your $AUD trading.. thumbup.gif
Yes, I knew you just ended your foreign currency FD.
I was thinking to seek for your professional opinion about this foreign currency FD.
But never mind, I just placed my 3 months 4.5% FD with Smart Savers this afternoon.
Thanks

QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 6 2013, 08:04 AM)
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Since our FD is not eFD, the risk on the account should be more on the SA cash. So long as I xfer it out every so often, then I am not worried about it. Their system has some problem (diff to log-in, slow etc) months ago, but recently seemed to be more stable. All the GIRO xfer done no issue so far.  biggrin.gif
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Yes, I noticed their online system sometimes cannot work..

QUOTE(magika @ Sep 6 2013, 02:57 PM)
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I hate changing password for all types of account. Nowadays use password software to remember login id n password for everything under the sun.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I always write down the new password on a note book, like student exercise book.

QUOTE(magika @ Sep 6 2013, 03:06 PM)
Ha..haa. you are going to be suprised.... not by china doll... but just received letter from BR stating beginning of 1 November 2013 there will be annual RM5 fee per year... laugh.gif
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No, no surprised at all, everything is getting more expensive. Except your buy one free one offer.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Sep 6 2013, 03:21 PM)
What dolls again  drool.gif  Well, I give up, let BCC have it. I am going back to check my internet bank FD account balance.  whistling.gif
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When I was in OCBC this afternoon, an OCBC customer service trainee in lobby pissed me off when he insisted to sell me Builder saving plan that I had no free time for it.

Here is the brief conversation between me and him:

Trainee: Oh..why don't you put money in our saving account that can give your more profits and convenience?

Me: Builder saving account? I knew about it. But I am in a hurry, can you help me to proceed my things first?

Trainee: Let me explain this to you first before you place your new FD

Me: How long do you need to take to explain this?

Trainee: about 20 minutes

Me: hah..I cannot wait that long..

Trainee: Anyway it will take the same 20 minutes for us to prepare the check for you.

Me: If like this, then I go to premier room mad.gif

Trainee: ok ...

Then inside the premier room, while my FD was in the middle of processing, one male RM and three young female staffs tried to persuade me quite nicely (including some light flirting..) to buy their FRNID. biggrin.gif .under this nice and harmony moment coupled with the romantic soft yellow lighting atmosphere in the premier room.. drool.gif I suddenly had this imagination.. I felt I was in a massage palace and these three young female massage for me..of course..this imagination excluded the male RM.. I quite enjoyed this moment and I had a good time there even I did not buy the FRNID..

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