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FrostLance
post Feb 26 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 03:30 PM)
The Aussie have curtain airbags.  So total 6 airbags.  And this is standard for all variant (6 airbags + ESC).

The local spec have 4 airbags + ESC. And this is only for premium spec.
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I think the FL model will have 6 airbags also.. Heres hoping
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post Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 09:15 PM)
So many fail basher that never do their research yet still bashing. Check here what 5 star rating is meant to be. It all about both driver and passenger occupants safety measure. Even 2 airbags car can get 5 stars if the occupants is show slightly chances of serious injury during the collision base on the injury meter on the crash test.

Curtain airbag is a must to get 5 star rating?? You fail again. Check here for safety features. ANCAP never mention curtain airbags is a must.
When it comes to safety, not all cars are equal.
Choose a vehicle with features that protect drivers and passengers and increase driver control. If it's not a 4 or 5 star rated vehicle - cross it off your list!


Please do go through all the details on the ANCAP website befor comment about the crash test rating. I am not siding anyone, i comment base on evidence and result. I am neutral. notworthy.gif
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did u even bother to check my previous post? org ancap sendiri jawab side curtain airbag is compulsory. Their website reveal so little on their rating scheme alas the reaaon i emailed them. please go through all my posting before calling someone fail.

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post Feb 26 2013, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM)
that called active and passive safety = overall safety.
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he did not even bother to read the email that aus ncap sent me and came to his own conclusion n calls other fail.

kata org lain xbuat research, they i even go and personally ask aus ncap themselves on this issue

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:05 PM

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let me help u out swk_sam

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Dear Name censored tongue.gif,

Thank you for contacting ANCAP.

To achieve the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating, a vehicle must achieve a minimum score across all physical tests as well as meet minimum requirements for the inclusion of mandatory and additional safety equipment and safety assist technologies (SAT).



In 2013, the physical tests ANCAP conducts are:

1.             Frontal offset test - simulates hitting another car of the same mass travelling at the same speed – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

2.             Side impact test - simulates two cars colliding at 90 degrees – maximum 16 points.  Minimum of 12.5 points required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

3.             Pole test - simulates a car colliding sideways with a fixed object such as a tree or a pole – maximum 2 points (only available where vehicles are fitted with head protecting side airbags).  Minimum of 1 point required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

4.             Pedestrian test - simulates a collision between a car and a pedestrian. Minimum score of 'Marginal' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.

5.             Whiplash test - assesses the performance of the seat and head restraint in protecting the occupant from neck and spinal injury through dynamic performance and geometric measurements. Minimum score of 'Acceptable' required in this test to be eligible for a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



To achieve a 5 star ANCAP safety rating in 2013, a vehicle must also have:

·         electronic stability control (ESC)

·         3-point seat belts for all forward facing seats

·         head-protecting technology (side airbags) for front seats

·         seat belt reminders for front seats

·         emergency brake assist (EBA)

·         3 x additional SAT (such as autonomous emergency braking (AEB), adaptive cruise control (ACC), blind spot monitoring (BSM) etc.).



ANCAP recommends vehicles which have been awarded the maximum 5 star ANCAP safety rating.



If you need any further information, please don't hesitate to ask.



Kind regards,


Rhianne Robson
Communications Manager

Australasian New Car Assessment Program
(ANCAP Australasia Ltd)
PO Box 4041, Manuka ACT 2603
P: 02 6232 0206  |  F: 02 6232 0234  |  M: 0408 296 550
E: rhianne.robson@ancap.com.au
. so who fails again?

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:15 PM

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required is head protecting side airbag which is curtain airbag. side impact airbag is not curtain headbag. dont be lazy and read back all my previous post. i already explained everything.


and i already posted the exact same picture earlier lah.. side impact airbags are for the side n shoulders. nampak sgt u dont even read this thread thoroughly and u panggil others xbuat research? why dont u email NCAP urself

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:22 PM)
Holy...... couldn't u read it is airbags that protect front seat not rear seat? Curtain airbags is from the pillar right? It protect front and rear right? Haiz, nvm no point keep arguing in this topic. Just let it be. As i said earlier, i still believe what is in ANCAP website rather than any source out of website. No right or wrong here cause we are not the expert.  wink.gif
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read properly.. head protecting airbags for front seat. its curtain for front seat. side impact airbags does not protect the head. nowadays xurtain airbags ada 3 deployement points for each side.. straight to the back. the required for 5 star is just for front seat but the added curtain till back is a bonus. u kan pandai research .


My SOURCE is from the people of AuSNCAP themselves. u pergi email sendiri la susah sgt oi.

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post Feb 26 2013, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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on the phone right now.. wait till i get back
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:20 PM)
Malaysia spec is known as side airbags, not torso. I would say it can protect head on collision as in the picture but in a cheaper way. Damn... Malaysian's life is like rubbish. Because of our g.v.  rclxub.gif  doh.gif

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I thought u like to do research one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag
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Side torso airbag
Side-impact airbags or side torso airbags (side thorax/abdomen airbags) are a category of airbag usually located in the seat, and inflate between the seat occupant and the door. These airbags are designed to reduce the risk of injury to the pelvic and lower abdomen regions. Some vehicles are now being equipped with different types of designs, to help reduce injury and ejection from the vehicle in rollover crashes. More recent side airbag designs include a two chamber system; a firmer lower chamber for the pelvic region and softer upper chamber for the ribcage.
The Swedish company Autoliv AB, was granted a patent on side impact airbags, and they were first offered as an option in 1994 on the 1995 model year Volvo 850, and as standard equipment on all Volvo cars made after 1995.
Some cars, such as the 2010 Volkswagen Polo Mk.5 have combined head and torso side airbags. These are fitted in the backrest of the front seats, and protect the head as well as the torso.

If side airbags can protect the head, theres no need for a curtain airbag such as the case in the preve. Thats why the AUS model they fitted curtain airbags because it cant protect the head.

I saw the side airbags of the preve at Last years Proton Power of One Event at Bukit Jalil.



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post Feb 26 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 26 2013, 10:43 PM)
U screenshot the email.
Let him keep his busuk mouth shut better.
Censor ur email sudah cukup.
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Better yet he give me his email i forward terus
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 10:53 PM)
Lazy talk to a bull see yourself if u say they need curtain airbag to score 5 stars. Or like what i said that side airbags that can protect head. Watch 0.36 where is the airbag coming out. This is tally what is written in the website even in your email. This car have no curtain airbags and how it can score 5 stars? So shut your busuk mouth or mine? I will stop here for now. Agree or i wont comment anything about this anymore. Good bye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvJGmDHNonw
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Bro this is from 2007 man. We are talking 2013 as in the email. And even 2 years back when I initially emailed AUSNCAP, curtain Airbags are already compulsory. Why dont u google Side airbags and what it is function . And why is your post so full of hatred man, u got to cool down, this is an internet forum for god sake, whats with the name calling and everything, and u call others bashers? WTF i dont get this.

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 26 2013, 11:35 PM)
The CFE OWV and OCV issue has been recalled and resolved.  No more issues for newer batch. The CFE engine has matured and stable.
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Yea i think this issue has been resolve last year sudah.
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:40 PM

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Ada pon gamba.. This is Preve's Side airbag for local spec. So swk_man can tell me boley protect head or not? Or u have anything more to say to me? Or what does your full research tell u?

http://blog.autoworld.com.my/index.php/201...fours-progress/

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:42 PM)
Come on, we are talking about the 5 stars rating requirement. The video i post is the prove that is it side air bag can protect head or not and can it able gain 5 stars rating w/o curtiain airbags. Like i mention in the last post, side airbag is the cheaper way but at least still can protect our head to reduce injury. Torso airbags is to protect body and will come with curtain airbags in package. Airbag curtain can achieve higher rating for sure. If the curtain airbags is compulsory for 5 stars ANCAP rating, then this convertible car wont able to achieve it because there were no place to install the curtain airbags. Wikipedia is more on the airbag type and purpose, and nothing related to ANCAP requirement. I am just sharing something. Hope you are clear what i mean until now.
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Read my latest post can tell me Preve's airbag can protect head or not?|
Meh i help u out summore,

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This is an example of sideairbags with minimal head protection.

And no, its not me who said that for 2012 2013 it is COMPULSORY to have Head protection airbags, its the staff at AUSNCAP.

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:46 PM)
this picture the airbag is out of air. I comment from the picture in proton website. I might be wrong on local spec. We not yet really see the image when the side airbag deploy. Lets wait for the video on side impact for local preve to prove local spec sucks. This is the only way we can see how the side airbag deploy
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OMG.. that is during the Proton power of One Displaying a fully deployed airbag for demonstration purposes.It is FROM PROTON. Now nak panggil idiot would be me down to your level plak. So i restrain myself from doing that.

This is the picture of the Side airbag deployed. haih... if the side airbag can protect the head, u cant fit in the curtain airbags lah.

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post Feb 26 2013, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Feb 26 2013, 11:49 PM)
Guy, this dude really made my day.

Kena troll hours long rclxms.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=58546262
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lol u evil dude... their sarcasm meter rosak or what?
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:50 PM)
This only can prove local spec Preve side airbags unable to protect our head, but nth to prove it yet. This also didn't prove that 5 stars rating requirement need curtain airbags to achieve right?
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Oh my God..

Ok my arguement was Local preve couldnt get the 5 StarAUSNCAP because it doesnt have curtain airbags.

Why? Because to get 5 star u need Head protection airbag mechanism.

Our local preve dont have. But Australian preve do have.

That was my point all along. I wasnt bashing or anything.. Haih.. then u came and call me basher.

I admit im a critic, i critic all brand, especially Honda and Toyota for unable to compete with the koreans , Ford, and other brands recently, even before the preve came out, i was really excited about the car, i defended it against bashers as well. U really need to differentiate fanboy bashers and real critics dude. I gave all the facts here even emailed AUSNCAP for god sake, it wasnt critics withouts facts, but sometimes i do troll, i like to troll ruffstuff the most lol.. he also likes to troll proton bashers.
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post Feb 26 2013, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:53 PM)
Actually starting is not about local preve side airbags, it the curtain airbags is compulsory to attain 5 stars rating in ANCAP posted by FrostLance. The convertible car in the video that using side airbags i post can attain 5 star ANCAP rating car prove the words i said.
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Bro the video is from 2007 dude, give a car starting from 2012 that doesnt have curtain or head protecting airbags that can achieve 5 stars. In the email clearly stated that they increased their standards every year and for 2013, Head protecting airbags is a must.
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post Feb 27 2013, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 26 2013, 11:57 PM)
doh.gif  Did your email mention local Preve? Did I mention local Preve?  rclxub.gif  My arguing is that u said curtain airbags is compulsory in ANCAP.....  sweat.gif
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And your point was Curtain airbags or head protection is not compulsory yes? you even call me a fail basher who did not do research for that no?

And in the email did it mention that for 2013 it is compulsory to have head protection airbags no? And i gave proof that local preeve's airbags does not protect the head. U came and commented on my posts without reading fully my previous post dude. So chill out. Its ppl like me that make critics that can make Brands such as proton make an improvement. If all puji2 like no tomorrow sampai bile xde nak detect impairment or to compete with others. Im not bashing on a baseless reason la. Then u can call them Proton Haters/Bashers. U cant argue with them, u can troll them back. This is the internet , dont take things so seriously.

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post Feb 27 2013, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 12:03 AM)
ok, 1 question, that video yes is 2007, but did the seat airbags able to protect the driver's head? As simple as that as what written in your so email. Dont ask me local Preve can or not cos we dunno the real structure of side airbags is it the same as in the video. My intention as simple as that.
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I already did my research on that, apparently our local preves dont have side airbags that can protect the head. All the technology was already demonstrated earlier last year at Proton POwer of one. Even the Bosch ESC and all the technical details are there. The only thing they didnt show is the exterior looks. I do hope Proton will put Curtain airbags on future FL Preve so we get the same standards as the australians.

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post Feb 27 2013, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(swk_sam @ Feb 27 2013, 12:11 AM)
From the demo pic u post, it cant protect our head that i must agree. But we not yet see the inflated shape on collision. It might or it might not. Until there were a video can show how the airbag inflate. Agree on curtain airbags to proton cars in the future too icon_rolleyes.gif
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That is the airbag fully deployed. Its for your shoulders and torso. If you see our local preve mmg ada plastic covering on the A B C pillars tempat letak curtain airbags IINM.

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