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post Oct 13 2022, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Oct 13 2022, 10:03 AM)
UK pension funds take a leverage position on 30yr old Bonds in order to get higher yields..

As pension funds they should not be leveraging... pension funds should be stable and least risky investment but Nooooooo... they want more mullahs on their monies...
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Aren’t we glad so far with the investment philosophy and kwsp act thus far … 😃

Granted some will condemn it for low yield and can’t be trusted etc etc.

Can’t please everyone
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post Feb 23 2023, 12:38 PM

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All these comments about high income/top epf contributors also kinds of strange ie seems too low of them.

There are many executives within private corporations or GLC related or MNC that easily make 30-50k per month or more that would have easily RM1m in epf. These folks would have gain 1M in epf every 3- 5yrs.
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post Mar 4 2023, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 4 2023, 02:51 PM)
haha...

I downloaded to verify that my excel remains accurate. Off by 2 cents, which again is due to rounding error.

btw, for everyone's comfort, EPF pays div interest for funds withdrawn from EPF up till the date of withdrawal....

so, those who wanted to withdraw money for monthly expenditures, it is in one's interest (pun intended!) to withdraw what one needs on weekly basis vs monthly.
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How you manage to get such close calculation? For me they never follow exactly annual balance, i ended up just under forecast it by couple hundreds. Good enough for me thus far

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post Mar 4 2023, 05:14 PM

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Now that euphoria of dividends is over, lets hope not another ura ura of pushing withdrawal now to 60 onward only....
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post Mar 4 2023, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 4 2023, 06:25 PM)
looking at what the CEO "hinting"...

don't think anytime soon...

unless ours country become "aging country".... and life expectancy increased higher like to 80yo or 90yo  sweat.gif  flex.gif
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Thats good to hear but knowing all these crooks trying to get their hand on other people money, its in their interest to delay the withdrawal age. I think Sg just increase their withdrawal age recently.
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post Mar 9 2023, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 9 2023, 03:00 PM)
yes.
better pay & working conditions...

here EPF

there I think called Superannuation something....

same thing.. different name
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If i recall correctly if you didnt hit the minimum years if contribution, it will be forfeited, unlike epf its always yours.

Then we have cases like this... albeit overall still doing well

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/worl...e-return-3q2022
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post Mar 10 2023, 09:18 PM

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For all you know they lay in the conditions that sounded like you can withdraw but the criteria is drafted in such way, you cant unless you truly have surplus.

N those that really have surplus will not really touching it.

So from PR political perspective the G is helping but in reality we know its not.

In this case, the move will lay all those noises to rest until another populist come along. rolleyes.gif

And the shall leave epf as it is to do its job ie providing old age retirement net

This post has been edited by gamenoob: Mar 10 2023, 09:19 PM
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post Mar 11 2023, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Mar 11 2023, 09:06 AM)
Just put under RM20k cannot withdraw. Since those people probably have less than 10k inside. Kaw Tim, settle. Lol.
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Ya ya something along this line.

Shutdup terus. Because those that protek probok dare show face with that amount.., apa bising bising tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2023, 11:49 AM

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And old bad habits dies hard.

It will be a long while before these folks stop the full withdrawal when they hit 55/60.

Unless they have full capability and capacity to manage DIY investment that is fully protected with no less than guaranteed 2.5% dividends payable to 100yrs old that require no active management/monitoring..

Best of all creditor proof, has it own nomination, and direct payment as and when…

And before anyone say epf will collapse too, if that day ever come.. you would have gotten all the crap way before
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post Mar 17 2023, 10:37 PM

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Digress a bit. I had some procedures done. Gotten the LOG for a smaller sum. Bill ended up at 50k. All covered. Not a single cents needed from my part or any advance payment.

Insurance covered all.

But yes self paid is cheaper vs insurance when i had other works done like cataract etc.
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post Apr 17 2023, 11:19 AM

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Folks

For those that above 55 doing regular/one time withdrawal, once it is setup, you can do it online deposit to your bank?

And read earlier on is not to do fixed withdrawal plan as epf will exclude these sums from dividend calculation?
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post Apr 23 2023, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 22 2023, 09:39 PM)
Even with 6 months emergency fund do you think it will last 6 months during pandemic?

Most money goes to the banks by repaying debts 🤦‍♀️ if went to goods the domestic economy reading should buy it wasn’t because CPI was down during then hence it is not in the reading if you say if it was purchase goods 🤦‍♀️ as the index was below 80 only until 4quarter of 2022
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So are you .saying now we should let these folks withdraw as and when their cash flow strap?

How would you going to manage and balance such funds? How many more times you expect the funds to allow these political driven withdrawal bersasar?

When will it end? And how not to compromise the strategic objective of providing long term high snd consistent returns to the masses?

Do you how much more harder to invest for consistent return for a fund size of epf?

Or you expect to allow more withdrawal on any calamities, financial woes etc?
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post Apr 23 2023, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 23 2023, 09:40 AM)
Have you ever thought how many bankrupts instead 🤦‍♀️

Allowing them as its own blood sweats and tears to repay off debt is fine because otherwise instead the banks will collapse due to defaults 🤦‍♀️ which leads to economic malaise as you can see the minor scare recently in America with just regional bank runs

For EPF to get consistent return is easy because it is 50% is in fixed income while EPF return is not consistent as you think as it is going downhill due to RM depreciation and investing in tongkat companies 🤦‍♀️ due to political influence
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The bank aint going to bankrupt. They are well protected with their collateral terms from borrowers.

The US bank recent issues is engineered by design from the feds. And totally irrelevant with the arguements you presented thus far.

You are deflecting the key point ie what is the purpose of epf? And you did not answer my question. Because those are the key decision factors of why epf is what it is. Regardles of how one view its their blood and tears money that they entitled to as and when they want to withdraw at whim.

Just to entertain your flawed arguement that epf can generate easy return consistently and yet still principal guaranteed, have you ever seen how many time epf return is at lowest level at minimally guaranteed 2.5%? And what were the masses reaction like?

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post Apr 24 2023, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 23 2023, 05:09 PM)
History has proven before 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ If you remember MBF Finance and Sime Bank which has to be bailed out by EPF with shotgun merger 🤦‍♀️
If you think the banks in Malaysia won’t bankrupt think again as history has proven before with MBF Finance and Sime Bank 🤦‍♀️

Do you think EPF always given higher rates than 2.5% is realised money? It is only accounting written as the numbers are just numbers 🤦‍♀️ Only real if you are able to do withdrawal as EPF is floating the govt with half AUM through MGS

EPF is only social protection and govt guaranteed and it can go bust if the govt is not able to function fiscally and go default at anytime which is ultra low unless civil wars breaks out
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Of course bank can run aground by many factors but not from FSA program. So your arguments are flawed.

I don't know what nonsense you spewing that epf returns/dividends is not realmoney just because one don't withdraw it.

And your last comment contradict yourself for all the criticism that you laid on epf.

Maybe as some said.... multiverse for some....
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post Jul 16 2023, 10:36 PM

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All these angmoh behavior in general have very similar traits with majority of MY folks. Kais pagi makan pagi.

Enjoy first worry later. Easy credits which are detrimental to debt trap them for long.

Mostly have poor retirement planning. Plus most don't subscribe the idea of providing for their offspring college.

They do enjoy life a whole lot more than asian especially Orientals that save like max and beat up own self....

Where you think work life balance concept come from.... plus with their elites pushing agenda like woke craps, they even pushing for their general population to rent than own spinning all kinds of crap
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post Jul 17 2023, 04:33 PM

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Seen such kind of behavior back 30yrs ago in the 80s in US college days, most college mate struggle for tuition fees but no issue to buy that mustang for the summer. They will work like dog for summer winter break and then jolly for vacation or get that drop top ride and party to the max... but no rainy day funds. Some seriously struggle even for 500 -1000 reserve funds... wtf wei.... asian student have to pay 3x the exchange rate, at international rates fee that 3-5x more than local and yet we still save from the minimum wage that we earned from working in campus.
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post Aug 17 2023, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 17 2023, 01:08 PM)
This policy I really dislike

After 55yo below 60yo... Whatever $$$ contribute cannot take out....

Must cancel this blockage asap 😔
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Why the dislike? It's just another mandaotory cushion net for those that still work and contribute to their epf.

From 50, onward already can take account 2. At 55 can full withdrawal. Just the big brother worry one blow all their epf at 55 withdrawal.

If one have planned well their finances, you be glad you can treat the epf like super fd except its cap at 100k IN annually but you can withdrawal any amount like ATM and still enjoy dividends until 100 yrs old with full capital protection

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post Aug 18 2023, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 17 2023, 10:49 PM)
Just like u said...
This like "forced" attempt... Worried people would withdraw all at 55yo.... Well... Why need to be big brother.... Give option to people to decide... If they don't know how to manage... It's their own fault... Why others need to suffer too....

Maybe those reach 55yo have other plan to do with the $$_... Probably can get higher return compared with EPF... Many possibilities....

And finally....
Yes. It's can be high interest account too.... Higher rate than banks offering.... But not everyone needs to stuck with EPF...

Just my opinion
Give option to the contributors... That's only complain I have...
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Would you want them to consolidate it to only 60yrs withdrawal? 😅

Dont forget MY retirement age was raised from 55 to 60 in 2013 hence they have been some mechanics put in from from this 55-60 acct thingy. Im not familiar if prior 2013, such exist.

Nonetheless there can never be too many options, it will never end. Just like taxes, you can’t chose …or opt out. It will never be fair as it’s one size pretty much fits all….
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post Aug 18 2023, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Aug 18 2023, 09:49 PM)
Nah, any big ticket item i would have bought before 55.

Also i would plan around anything minor like this
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Same thing over here. No withdrawal or anything. If anything, I look forward for higher dividends and max out self contribution.

Just treat it like super 60 months FD when I hit 55 soon. 100k self contribution a year will net half a millions + the compounded interest.... why not. And get to enjoy dividends until 100 yrs old.
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post Aug 29 2023, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Aug 29 2023, 11:38 AM)
Thank you everybody for the input. I do read them and ponders on them. So thank you very much. Good inputs and angle to consider.
I believe i list the break down before here.

Food = rm10950 per year @ rm30 per day (two meals as i eat rm6 per brunch and i take breakfast and lunch together and night time i have another meal and consider rm20 max but i estimating higher)
Teansport  = rm30 per week (sometimes rm20 but nowadays i use more). I pump petrol every Sunday so i know this number is very accurate so far so per year rm1560.
Internet = rm94.50/mth = rm4914
Mobile phone = rm30/mth (actually rm20 but i might change) = 360
Cukai pintu = rm900 (8xx) / year
Electricity = rm 150/mth (never hit this figure but i gonna put 200 coz of i spend more time at home electricity will increase so if 200/mth it's gonna be 2,400/yr)
Water bill = rm2.15 (subsidy) or without subsidy rm5.50/ mth. Let's say rm10 per month when i retire la. So rm120/yr
Water filter cartridge replacement 500/yr
Car service rm125 per trip and two times per year = rm250
Car battery or car repair i put 1k/yr
Miscellaneous i put 1k per year
No insurance no debt nothing else. No kid and wife ownself take care. No ailing parents and nothing from others.
Angpao money 1k /yr
No toll in my place. No tax.

Just above it comes to 2,0378.83 per year and i already estimate on the upper end. If i use accrual figure it will be 2.5k per month coz grocery actually wife pay so my food side can reduce a lot more especially for dinner part. That's my breakdown.
Look above. No toll.
Retirement years is one very funny thing coz nobody knows. Lol. I don't think i will live past 60 but then again i might get surprises. 😂
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Darn detailed.. 👍

I done the same over last 10 years of record, it get to a point like you, I developed a sense of overall consumption, it gives clarity on the expenses landscape.

Now I factor in additional inflation based on what I observed n consumed but err on higher side so that it cover whatever shortfall as much as I can anticipate...

Trying to built up the nest as much as I can while able to before they kick you out of employment at 60.

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