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boyboycute
post Jul 2 2025, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 2 2025, 10:57 AM)
Wow, if inflation rate is 5.4% while the kwsp returns is only 5.85%. Then the net gain of saving in kwsp is only 0.45% (to keep up with the inflation)
If inflation rate is 5.4% while the annual pay rises is 7%. Then the net gain of income is only 1.6%. ( to keep up with the inflation).
Malaysia CPI trends
https://open.dosm.gov.my/dashboard/consumer-prices

After netting off the inflation rate, the real dividend for Simpanan Konvensional was 2.89% and 2.51% for Simpanan Shariah on a rolling three-year basis (2021-2023), exceeding the EPF’s strategic target of at least 2% real dividend over the same period. As a retirement fund, it is important for the EPF to consistently deliver long term above-inflation returns in order to preserve and enhance the value of its members’ savings,” he added."

https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/w/epf-sustains-s...anan-shariah-ln
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You trust that CPI numbers? Maybe you didn't go out for too long
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post Jul 2 2025, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jul 2 2025, 11:40 AM)
This! Actually EPF already providing a very good platform for us to retire comfortably. Even if you earn a very basic salary, you can still afford to retire (assuming you live a similar kind of life post retirement). You might not be rich but you're far from living on the streets.
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If it's such a good platform, how come we're facing retirement crisis now?

Unker let U research on this matter without giving U the answer

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post Jul 3 2025, 08:36 AM

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Don't need to complain Unker fear mongering.

Get all the numbers and statistics from the website

Honestly, just look at the numbers.

What the numbers tell you?

Is it sustainable?

If not, you must expect more goalposts movement in the future.

This is policy risk.

Why put in money to get a fixed return 5% like bond but suffer policy risk without much liquidity?

Unker rather choose traditional bond

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post Jul 3 2025, 05:33 PM

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https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/state-n...ome-epf-members

Reading this might make u all stay up at night

Years from now, we can look back at this page to see who's the biggest idiot
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post Jul 3 2025, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 3 2025, 05:46 PM)
I'm one of those who pump in the max allowed self contribution every year, I will continue to do that until atleast 55 maybe even beyond... i see very little risk as EPF now allows for anytime withdrawal as long as the account have atleast 1M inside... so i can safely withdraw everything tmr if there are rumours of EPF "shifting goalpost".
For me an avg of 5% safe bet yearly is a good return, only thing is the currency, so for shares I put all in overseas shares to hedge the currency.
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What if it copy CPF model which doesn't allow full withdrawal? Only monthly payments just like when you are a little child and your parents giving you pocket money every month.
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post Jul 6 2025, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jul 6 2025, 12:31 AM)
Bossku is the best during his time epf dividend is so high
Don't drag epf into 1mdb pls
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All 7 Tabung is under one man. EPF invested in the bonds. Everything is related, tied up and web up together

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/201...vernment/899865

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post Jul 6 2025, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 6 2025, 01:17 AM)
Wow, will that means,  kwsp would hv to redeem all it's investment holdings?
Will Local.Bursa crash?.
Will Local govt securities/bond papers need to be sold off to get cash to cater for members withdrawal too?.
Will Local Govt need to print more money to redeem those govt securities? Will MYR devalue bcos of more money printing ?

If yes, then Bad very bad hyperthetical scenario
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This is why Unker said, sovereign bonds in various geographical countries is the best way to stay safe and get higher return.

Unless, suddenly they announced 8-9% dividend. Then, win all liou
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post Jul 6 2025, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2025, 10:09 AM)
Because EPF boss gave hints last year... During introduction of account 3....

Account 3 dividend would be lower moving forward because of its high liquidity nature....
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Kesian, just like the news on The Edge newspaper regarding Tier dividend.

warming up Unker on the idea of Tiered dividend.

Revamping it into 3 accounts give you a hint there will be 3 tier of dividend for a starter...

The writing is on the wall already....said it many times

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post Jul 6 2025, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 6 2025, 11:00 AM)
Why suffer policy risk when you can use IB to buy sovereign bonds with credit rating higher than Malaysia and paying you higher dividend?
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post Jul 6 2025, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 6 2025, 12:52 PM)
But that hyperthetical kwsp question WILL never happens.

Your ""sovereign bonds in various geographical countries" will have various more risks than staying in kwsp.
Your  sovereign bonds in various geographical couriskes will be subjected to mire risks like Turkey things risk, war risk, devaluation risk, etc etc.

Talking is easy, ... how many sovereign bonds in various geographical countries are you holdings?
How much money are you  holding them VS the amount of money you and your families hv inside kwsp?
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Unker have took ALL out after 55 and parked into US Treasury bond, UK Gilt, Aussie bonds, all give more than 5%.

When USDMYR goes to 4.80, Unker got bonus return on top of the coupon when transferring back some dividend for expenses

Inflation was raging after COVID....many old folks affected by it because they only hold their retirement fund in one pot

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post Aug 7 2025, 01:40 PM

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Unker got SUS for 30 days for pounding on the table that the writing is already on wall.

Despite being proven right after the 'special announcement', Unker was still SUS until the full 30 days.

This place is full of minions and cybertroopers. Cannot have different views and opinions.

Still pumping money into the biggest honey pot with shit flies circling around?

Go ahead. It's your money anyway.

Unker just sharing caution only

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post Aug 7 2025, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 7 2025, 01:38 PM)
It's not always about the money, money, money.
For sending them overseas for studies. It's to give them an opportunity to explore and then make a choice whether to stay overseas or come back.
i have 2 children who studied overseas and stayed back to work. If you calculate the ringgit and AUD, my daughter has almost paid back her cost of her study within 4 years of working in Melbourne. My son, meanwhile is still paying.  biggrin.gif
However, yeah it is not worth withdrawing your EPF just for this. If you need to dig into your EPF, then you cannot afford them studying overseas. You could mitigate this by twinning courses offered locally. Or study in Msia.

Just my 2 cents.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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4 years payback period ?

Assuming 1 mil spent sending a kid to Oz, can Rm 1 mil fully saved up after 4 years?

Unker think some mistake in the calculation

What is more likely is using the total gross salary for 4 years,...then Unker believe lah....median income in Oz about AUD 100K

If u take off cost of living, rental , superannuation etc, probably save up 20%.....

using actual net savings after working,payback period easily 10 years lah



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post Aug 7 2025, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 7 2025, 02:19 PM)
i am sharing from my experience with my children. I would put it at 90% stayed back to work in Aus.
Is a proper job in Msia feeding you? But that's another discussion. Of course, work in Msia, you get EPF!  biggrin.gif
NONE of my daughter's architect mates came back to Msia.
As for my son, he had no Msian classmates. But his wife, a pharmacy, has most friends at least 50% staying back in Aus.
She has almost paid back her costs of studies too. $38 per hour pay is not too shabby. No EPF though.  biggrin.gif
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This is provided they can find a job there

Many actually came back after fail to secure a job there

Local Oz companies discriminates against Asian staffs

Most Asian are hired by Asian companies

Asian also live in Asian neighborhood there. Angmoh doesn't want to mix with Asian lah. University also full of Asian

Oz makes sure house price in their local neighborhood is super high so it is 'not polluted' by Asian

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post Aug 7 2025, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Aug 7 2025, 04:23 PM)
not all kids want to study
if they dont want to study and want money to start some biz can support them lo... RM200k if allocated for study maybe use the 200k allocate into their biz start up
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Actually, many people go work in overseas because they just want to avoid family issues, relationship issues , painful events

They use it as a motivation to leave the country.

Those who came back to retire usually have very supportive relationship here

Money is not a very strong pull for someone to leave. It must be couple with other personal reasons (usually unspoken)
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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Aug 7 2025, 06:13 PM)
yeah..maybe test water and backfired - so lets see
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That's why Unker love Malaysia.

We don't waste time having meetings to plan for new strategy.

We straight away throw it out there to test water in the market.

Then, we modify and navigate the water
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post Aug 7 2025, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Aug 7 2025, 06:51 PM)
Who so stupid want to sign up since once you reach 55 you can treat it as a high interest savings account
Why want to cuff yourself if you have good financial acumen
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This is when Unker might suggest tiered dividend discussion to double check mate

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post Aug 10 2025, 11:45 AM

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post Aug 14 2025, 09:59 AM

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This also means the rising cost of living is hitting household hard this year.

Everyone knows EPF savings will not catch up with real inflation reality. No one really believes CPI numbers.

Those who trust CPI numbers probably didn't buy their groceries or didn't have children.
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post Aug 15 2025, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Aug 15 2025, 09:59 AM)
From 6.3% this year...5.xx still boleh tahan ler.
If goes below 5%, everyone will kecoh bruce.gif
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Under 5%, you can be sure Unker taking savings elsewhere
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post Aug 18 2025, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Aug 18 2025, 10:09 AM)
Going like epf 1H results, as seen by few years ago, with the yearly increase in contributions, can get 5.4% also will be more realistic.
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Unker tak bother with it

Government bonds in developed countries are paying 5% above

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