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boyboycute
post May 28 2025, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ May 28 2025, 10:02 AM)
plox go to r/malaysiaPF....

say EPF bad, and get downvoted to oblivion  laugh.gif
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katak Di bawah tempurung cannot see other alternatives around the world except for their own PF
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post May 28 2025, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 27 2025, 11:48 AM)
I disagree. RM1 mil is really nothing. It's right to set the bar higher.
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Anyone who managed to save up RM 1 mil in EPF have demonstrated their ability to manage their finances well.

This group has paid hefty amount of taxes due to their high salary. Usually they worked very hard early in their life and made sacrifices for their future.

Unfortunately, their goodwill have been punished recently when someone decided to meddle with the withdrawal window for the excess of RM 1 mil.

Unker sees many young people took out their excess of RM 1 mil immediately after the announcement, not because they need the money. It's due to the lost of trust and confidence

This post has been edited by boyboycute: May 28 2025, 07:08 PM
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post May 29 2025, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 28 2025, 08:41 PM)
Drafult risk should be close to 0. But there is still currency risk and interest rate risk..the second one if u intend to sell before maturity.

Also dont get me wrong, doesnt mean its not a good investment but to be aware of the risks.
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Those risk is miniscule compared to "goalposts" movements....you can't really hedge against shifting goalposts and policy

Hold US treasury bond until maturity to lock in 5% coupon. FX risk is miniscule compared to emerging countries currencies
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post May 29 2025, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 29 2025, 01:02 PM)
Miniscule or not is your own personal view..but the risk is there.

If early last year buy US treasury, now underwater from Fx and price drop, even if count coupon.

Whereas Epf would have given positive 6.30%.
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That's why you hold to maturity

And you can enjoy better lifestyle with 5% coupon. No questions asked why you want to spend your dividend

Try taking out your 6.3% dividend now and you'll see it's only on paper. Plus, first month of contribution you will only get 1 day dividend.

You can hope and pray that you will get back your retirement fund when you're 55 , while goalposts kept on changing, destroying trust and confidence amongst top tier savers

Many with excess of 1 mil but still young already said goodbye

This post has been edited by boyboycute: May 29 2025, 02:08 PM
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post May 29 2025, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ May 29 2025, 02:40 PM)
No harm sharing other options to compare to EPF dividend... Then we can continue to decide if wanna top up EPF for the dividend or invest elsewhere 😊
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A lot of supporters here...some are even their staffs , doing marketing for their master

But at least, someone is open minded on diversification.. Unker think it's quite dangerous to keep all eggs in one basket

Just look at what happened in Turkey.....

Many here are probably too young to remember about capital control in 1997/98 currency crisis. Most of them were still holding milk bottles..

This post has been edited by boyboycute: May 29 2025, 05:43 PM
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post May 29 2025, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ May 29 2025, 02:24 PM)
Dude,

You do you, let others do theirs.

You are in EPF dividend thread....

US Treasury or EPF is not be all end all. Its one of the option and no such thing as one perfect fits all solution....
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Diversification is key here....

But noob only seen EPF as the only option....and kept on doubling down on their additional contribution... It's gonna be stuck there for a long time.....it doesn't make sense to Unker when there are safer and better avenues to build retirement funds
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post Jun 19 2025, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(justanovice @ Jun 17 2025, 01:40 PM)
Also this, in the same event

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...s-ex-swedish-pm

Amyone else feeling that ‘full withdrawal at 55’ is going to be revised soon?
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Unker received inspiration from above and beyond confirming your feeling.

We all know it's coming but still waiting for official announcement. Usually , they will hide the important announcements under some Research Report with bombastic title which sounds benevolent. But when you flip under the hood, you started to see the truth.

When your money is not in your hands, it doesn't belong to you anyway

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post Jun 19 2025, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 18 2025, 04:12 PM)
That is not EPF's job?

Their job is to make sure one has enough money to live out their retirement, thats all.
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Unker still remember in the 1970s, some say simpan untuk menjamin hari Tua anda.

Then ,2000s, some started to say 'this savings ' cannot be your only retirement fund. You must have other sources of income when you're old

Meanwhile, the dividend yield continues to drop due to strong Gravitational pull

Instead of stopping corruption, misuse of investment, leakages, they are telling you it's now not enough for everyone.

Then, recently, move goal post. And further hinting and testing water about retirement age

Someone is coming for the only honey pot. Delicious sweet soup usually attracts a lot of shit flies

This post has been edited by boyboycute: Jun 20 2025, 09:43 AM
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post Jun 19 2025, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Jun 18 2025, 05:00 PM)
I don't want them to mess more with it weh.

I support UBI, but confirm I will get called a commie  tongue.gif
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Those who worked hard previously and save for decades are going to get F in their face.

No one is going to work harder and save once they change the rules and break the trust


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post Jun 19 2025, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jun 18 2025, 03:29 PM)
The real question should be what is the Government of Malaysia going to do with this issue, and not dump the issue to EPF. EPF is not the right platform to solve this issue, because a large large large (yeah, I repeat this 3 times) portion of society is not covered by EPF.

UBI is one solution. Euthanasia is another (although almost no one wants this).
Universal elderly care system (old folks home + hospitalization/medical treatment) is another.

in fact, all about can be funded one way or another by a combi of self payment (can choose class) + employer (like pencen) + government (subsidies).

But any gov servants/politicians will really sit down and think about it?
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Shit flies are thinking creatively on 1001 ways to get to the biggest honey pot remaining.

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post Jun 19 2025, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 19 2025, 10:29 AM)
Maybe EPF might only allow withdrawal 100% from account 2 & 3.  But main account 1 retirement, only pay in monthly withdrawal basis. 

if it is implemented.
It's kinda win - win...

Why?
Because EPF still got money to rolling & retirees won't fall into unnecessary scammer investment scheme or luxury expenses which finished up all the $$$ faster....
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Win win? What are you smoking?

We're not Singapore.

We don't have social net for old aging people. Once you turn off the lump-sum withdrawal option and give them "meager" amount to live on, most aging people will likely ended up working longer
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post Jun 19 2025, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 19 2025, 11:24 AM)
No smoking just drinking 😂🤣

Anyway...

One thing I observed...
Lumpsum is okay effective if one have the financial knowledge & strong heart to stop unnecessary spending...

Generally majority Malaysian sucks on these....
Within 5 years to 7 years... All EPF money finished....
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We should respect and treat every adult with dignity.

If they want to YOLO, let them be.

If they want to withdraw monthly, let them be.

Keep it open. Don't treat everyone like little children. Don't be a commie
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post Jun 19 2025, 12:08 PM

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If you take from those who worked hard and save through changes of policies and taxes, you'll most likely ended up with less savings into it

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post Jun 20 2025, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jun 19 2025, 02:44 PM)
jangan kecoh - policy no change yet why all so worry?
the only changes that is coming is the RIA framework where 1.3M above baru boleh withdraw itu saja
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Trust and confidence shaken already

Cannot close eyes as though nothing happened

Writing is on the wall already

Some fellas are still sleeping
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post Jun 20 2025, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 20 2025, 10:04 AM)
A lot fellas out there are still sleeping and didn't get any memo.


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post Jun 22 2025, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jun 21 2025, 09:28 AM)
ahh got it...so it's 100k increment over 3 years...
not immediately next year terus 1.3m
at least that's what I read...
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post Jun 22 2025, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 21 2025, 11:34 AM)
But people only focus on that 1.3mil thingy....

And even speculating higher level later on....
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Read between the lines.....

"Trust, faith and confidence shakened"
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post Jun 23 2025, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Jun 23 2025, 12:19 PM)
You no longer continue to contribute like you did in the past few months?  A change of heart, it seems, no a bad thing biggrin.gif
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Let the dust settle first.


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post Jul 1 2025, 12:29 PM

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The writing is already on the wall.

Only the top 1% can retire comfortably, which includes government pensioners

Logic will tell you what's going to happen to these 1% group


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post Jul 1 2025, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 1 2025, 01:47 PM)
unker tua
many in here already told  you off
stop your  fear mongering!!
writing on the wall?
you mean that min amount ?
why increase to RM1.3Million?
then later on RM1.5 Million etc?

itu pun tak faham?
inflation mah
life expectancy longer mah
you need more money mah
before you die

how can you simply wanna take out?
prematurely before 55??

ini EPF for retirement lah!! doh.gif

Not for you to suka suka wanna take out
before you reach your  adult age!
i mean 55 lah

and forget it!
if you tried to use increasing  retirement age
to 60 as another fear mongering
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Maybe you did not read the news. Retirement age is the main agenda in the news lately

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