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HolyCooler
post Dec 26 2022, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 26 2022, 12:06 AM)
Why are you still working at 60yo? And here I am thinking of retiring at 45yo.
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Same here, i aim to retire at 45 or max 46 (my boss wants me to help him 3 more years, ui told him ok but i am secretly planning to retire after 1+ more year, but if he insists of asking me to help him longer, i would make it max 2 more years).


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post Dec 26 2022, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 26 2022, 12:50 AM)
This is interesting.. i am waiting to see what answers are forthcoming for those working way into retirement age,
of course we are talking about those  who have already accumulated "enough" to last a life time yet continue to work..
May be you can tell us what is the reason you choose by 45 or so?

i guess that is the age you  expect you would have accumulated "enough" for yourself
and loved ones?
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Didn't purposely choose by 45. It is just so ngam that i would reach my planned financial freedom by this age. I used to set the target to be 50-55, but i was very very lucky these few years, and able to reach the plan earlier. I am a very safe person, if i am going to buy a rm 300k car, meaning i have at least 3.3mil saving. If i am spending rm 6k per month, meaning once i am retired, the interest / dividen i will be getting monthly will be at least rm10-12k.

Anyway, it is luck, without all the lucks, i forsee no matter how hardworking i am, i would be retiring at around 50-55 .
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post Dec 26 2022, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 26 2022, 06:24 AM)
Why are you in a hurry?
I have just changed my interest and started a new project in my company.
It's like a hobby. Enjoying it!

Question to those intending to retire at around 45:
Are you guys single?
10 to 15k in future ain't much!
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Since i was using 10-12k as an example before, i will elaborate on this.

I am not single, but i decided not to have kids (i had decided on this since i was 16-17 years old, when i was still in secondary school). IMHO, 10-15k monthly without working is still considering a lot even "in the future", at least for me.


Currently my life is, i can spend 200-400rm in one dinner, and can buy anything as long as i want. But i realised one thing, i won't always eat a breakfast/lunch/dinner a few hundred rm daily or frequently, because i can't eat so much (and those foods are mostly seafoods, like crabs, prawns), and my favourite foods are always chicken rice (i can eat chicken rice 3 times a day no joke), so i guess i won't be spending too much on foods.

As mentioned i am a safe person, if i aim rm 10-15k, then it is just a safe point. In fact, if i stopped working, i still have dividens coming in which could range from a few hundred K to a mil per year, but i just don't count it in since i treat this as a "bonus" due to i won't know when will the company out the dividen altho it is quite consistently for the past few years. And if EPF always giving 5-6% yearly, my calculation is always using 4% as the benchmark, i aim the worst, if it is more than 4%, it is a bonus.

As for life after retirement, i have ways too many things to do due to i have many hobbies :
1. Coding. I used to code 12 hours as day and i loved coding a lot, may be i will learn back something after i am retired
2. Gaming. i am in between 70s-80s, i started gaming when i was 4-5 years old on atari, and then famicom, super famicom, mega drive, gam gear, arcade (went in arcade when i was 16), ps1, until now ps5 and i am still gaming daily. Pre-orderd a PSVR2 for virtual reality and will get it on February next year.
3. Collecting collectibles / statues.
4. Cycling. I used to cycling a few hours a day during my secondary school era, already planned to get a basikal once i am retired (i went to some shops to check them out, holyshit, those basikals are crazily expensive, my mind still stuck at the time i spent rm 100+ for a BMX)
5. Lucid dream, hypnosis, meditation , etc are the topics i am always interested, i will spend more time on these.

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post Dec 27 2022, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Dec 26 2022, 08:12 PM)
lol...gaming and collectibles seem to go hand in hand... i'm into this as well...but i started my collectibles late in life...
no money when young ma...
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I am so glad i am from the gaming generation. I never stop playing games since 20 years ago until now. So many games i am waiting for now such as Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 2, Dragon Dogma 2, Monster Hunter World 2, Street Fighter 6, Tekken 8, etc.

My parent who has retired for almost 25 years is still enjoying life and my father had started making use of youtube since a few years ago to learn various things, he is a very creative person and he followed youtube videos to create many gadgets, such as gadgets that helped him to climb tree (so he can get the coconuts easily), special basikal / bike, etc. My parent's house has fish pond, has various types of trees like papaya tree, coconut tree, chili padi trees, etc.

When people said they don't have things to do after retired, i really like "Seriously? No hobby built over the years?"

And besides those i listed, i actually still reading comics every week (HK and JP comics). And i am interested on 3d printing and 3d scanning too. Planning to get a good 3d scanner to scan my collectibles into 3d. and probably adjust the size and print them out, must be fun.
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post Dec 30 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Dec 30 2022, 12:31 PM)
Do tell me if this contribution will make it in time....

cos if it is sent today, i have the impression that it will only be reflected the next biz day, which is 2nd of Jan 2023.
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I did it many times, every time it took 2 days, only 1 time it took 1 biz day (meaning today sent tomorrow it is in, only happened 1 time out of many times)

If you sent in today, expect next Tuesday to be the fastest. EPF won't update the data on weekends and also public holiday.
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post Dec 31 2022, 12:57 AM

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It is the last day of the year again. This year is quite fruitful for me and hope everything is going well next year.

Contributed RM 195k into EPF this year, until this moment i still think i did the right move and will continue to do so.

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Hope they will agree to increase the self contribution limit to be RM 100k and i will aim to contribute RM 280K-300K next year.

Have a good 2023 everyone!


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post Jan 5 2023, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Dec 31 2022, 05:07 AM)
Holy shit, teach me how to have an income like yours.
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It involves some luck, mostly due to my boss fulfilled his promise.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 31 2022, 07:59 AM)
Top 2%?  thumbup.gif
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What is top 2%?

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Dec 31 2022, 08:55 AM)
high income earner......no need susah susah  invest ,just wealth preservation, a  steady 5% return is already good, the amount you have matters....

Do you use Sdn Bhd to front for your salary? if  money received in personal name , kena man RM180k tax a year, sakit lo..

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Personal name.

QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Dec 31 2022, 10:55 AM)
Will take you less than 5 years to reach 1mil... in fact shorter time if you can contribute rm100k next year onwards... congrats man... topkek!
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Thanks man. But I won't be working for too long, already planning to retire after a few more years.

QUOTE(gooroojee @ Dec 31 2022, 10:10 PM)
Thanks for sharing. Must be a great feeling! That translates to over RM800k in annual salaried income... or possibly at RM400k+ if 60k was due to self contribution and total employee/employer EPF contribution was at 30%.

It would be helpful to set context for others if you could share:

Your age range?
Your job industry?

Happy New Year 2023 indeed!
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Mainly due to luck. I am mid earlier-40.

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post Jan 5 2023, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 5 2023, 04:28 PM)
>Rm 5 million
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After end of this year, if nothing special happens.
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post Jan 6 2023, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 6 2023, 09:09 AM)
thumbsup.gif good tax  payer.
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That is why sometimes i feel very angry when seeing they took lots of our tax money but can't even make a quality road.

QUOTE(Ankle @ Jan 6 2023, 09:57 AM)
Ya man , retire early man , life is short make it sweet.

It was mentioned by a very rich man that if one has cash 20m
any amount above it will not make much difference.

Donno lah , I personally think 5m pun ok dy and can live
very senang life , ifong , maid , annual holidays , fine dining ,
massage hehehe , dan macam macam.

Anyway human is leasehold , even anything freehold , one cant pegang
forever.

5m in EPF dividend 5pct 250k , about mouth watering 20k per mth ,
apa lagi mauu ???

Correct or not ??
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@prophetjul

I think got some misunderstanding here. When prophetjul said > 5m, i didn't relate it to EPF but rather overall saving.

And about retirement, yup, YOLO.


Latest EPF news. They never stop asking government to allow them to withdraw again : https://malaysiagazette.com/2023/01/05/peng...anyak-membantu/

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post Jan 9 2023, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(Ankle @ Jan 8 2023, 05:57 PM)
Earn , save like hell , invest and accumulate for others to use  cry.gif
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Happened to my father's big bro. Never enjoy life and died around 60.

A few years before he was dead due to heart issue / heart attack, he already told his wife he wanted to stop the business (restaurant) and retire to rest and go around to see see look look, but his wife rejected his request and asked him continue working to earn more money. His whole life just worked for others, everyday started working from morning 5-6am till night 6-7pm, wanted to stop working also not allowed by his wife, my parent felt he is pitiful and this is what triggered my parent to set a retirement date.
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post Jan 25 2023, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 25 2023, 11:25 AM)
Actually sg does that. To prevent people from putting too much into their CPF.



Why do you think there's a cap of RM60k/year? Why not the govt make it no cap? It's to prevent people from putting too much into EPF.


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Dude, i must correct you on this one.

THE REASON it is capped is because the government wanted to prevent / avoid MONEY LAUNDERING.

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post Jan 25 2023, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jan 25 2023, 09:21 PM)
Nothing to do with money laundering as Singapore has one strictest regulated money markets in the world πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

The cap is there is based on wages and to promote more GST consumption and other taxes imposed on the wealthy due to low tax regime that Singapore has
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Who told you nothing to do with money laundering? KWSP did mention about the cap is due to preventing money laundering.
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post Jan 25 2023, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jan 25 2023, 09:31 PM)
Malaysia is different because it is high cash and informal sectors πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Singapore less informal sectors as everyone has to be hired formally with work contracts whether formal or informal jobs hence cashless wages πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Don’t compare EPF and CPF as one is highly influenced by the govt while the later is professional managed by sound professionals independently πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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Dude, what is this Singapore thingy? We are talking about Malaysia and why MALAYSIA EPF has the 60k limit cap. Malaysia's EPF has this cap limit is due to money laundering consideration.

I didn't even mention about CPF.

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post Jan 25 2023, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jan 25 2023, 09:44 PM)
It is nothing to do with money laundering otherwise EPF would have failed the mandate in the 1st place πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Why ceiling is set 60k? It is based upon average salary that one is earning at 5k per month πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
EPF CIO has said already money withdrawal is not issue πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

If it was an issue they would have start making noise behind the govt back as they not able to gen beta for their equities investment πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

They don’t like massive one go withdrawal and preferred staggered withdrawals as they plan their SAA properly which is why withdrawals are only allowed for certain purposes
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Dude, do you really read what other people told you? KWSP did mention the 60k limit was due to taking into money laundering's consideration. But yet you are keep saying it is nothing about money laundering? It is really tough to communicate with you.
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post Jan 25 2023, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 25 2023, 10:57 AM)
I think it's fair to ask for tier dividend i.e anything more than a million will be given half the dividend. Reason
1. How many peoplein Malaysia have RM1m inside EPF?
2. It help prevent people from abusing EPF as a form of safe parking.

It's not about tongkat.
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The latest articled shared by someone mentioned 6.67 million employees have less than 10K.

You don't need to set the limit to be as high as 1mil, just setting it 20k or even as high as 100k will do, 6-10million or more people will be benefited.

Ok, let's say 100k will be enough to help lots of people, and your EPF amount is more than 100k which you will get lesser dividen % while those below 100k will get a far higher %, are you still Ok to have this tiered dividen? I ask this question cos i suspect you are "OK" with it due to you are not affected now. While you will be affected immediately, i wanna know if you will still say OK? Honestly.
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post Jan 25 2023, 10:14 PM

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Saw someone posted this on another epf related thread :

https://twitter.com/redzuanNewsMPB/status/1...2F5350278%2Fall

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post Jan 25 2023, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 25 2023, 10:11 PM)
For me I don't care about EPF much and it will never be my go to for retirement as all my retirement funds are overseas. If I can withdraw my EPF today I will do it in a heart beat and dump them overseas.

For me I feel RM100k is a bit low for Malaysians cause if you are earning RM3-8k (average Malaysian salary) you will hit RM100k. There's no doubt about it provided one never touch the EPF. But majority of people cannot reach RM1m in EPF on a RM3-8k salary unless they are high earners. I agree to help B40, M40 but not those T20 or T10 category. M40 more as govt hardly helps M40 and keep squeezing the M40. If RM100k I will not agree as majority of people won't be help. Heck maybe if don't want limit at RM1m, maybe RM500k onwards.
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So it is obvious that you are Ok with it since it won't affect you much.

You looks like a good guy who keep wanting to help those poorer people (by taking from those richer, but remember that, the richer already paying higher tax, and high chance they work much more harder and bearing much higher pressure than those not as rich, which meant they deserved to be rich since they pay the extra efforts).

I am wondering, when you are reaching you target which you could have around RM 15K per month from interest / dividen, would you be kind enough to take out 2.5% yearly from 1mil of your saving (just 1 mil, no need more), aka 25k (1mil x 2.5%) to help the poor by donating to charity organisation? It is similar to what you want those Epfers who have 1 mil to contribute their dividen % to help the poor.
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post Jan 29 2023, 12:21 AM

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Latest EPF news :


Dividen KWSP 2022 dijangka kekal atau lebih tinggi

https://www.utusan.com.my/ekonomi/2023/01/d...u-lebih-tinggi/
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post Jan 31 2023, 02:11 AM

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Last year i think many guessed wrong and many thought the range would be around 5-5.5% max? And then we had 6.15?

Let's see what we will be having this year!
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post Jan 31 2023, 02:35 PM

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Supporting EPF saving. Altho i am always expecting the worst, but i do hope they can give us 5.5-6% flex.gif I hope they will announce good dividen + announce increasing the self-contribution amount from 60K to 100K.

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