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hksgmy
post Sep 11 2024, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Sep 10 2024, 04:56 PM)
Spend. With 1.5mil & 5%, you can spend 96k a year (and additional 3% inflation per year) for about 20years before it goes to zero.

A lot of people that does the retirement budget takes into account how much their returns will generate to spend, but they do not take into account the actual invested amount.

With RM4mil & 5%, you can spend RM250k a year (20k a month) even with a 3% inflation for 20 years before the RM4mil goes to zero.
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What prompted me to join my wife in early retirement was the awful realization that, even if our savings and holdings and assets generated no passive income, and we drew down RM1,000,000 annually per person because at 50, hey you know, YOLO, we would still not have enough time to finish our pot before the law of average lifespans took over…

Add to the fact that EPF, as long as no corrupt government or politician get their hands on the control levers, will continue to pay a decent dividend for all of its members and I’d say your example of RM4mil is more than realistic enough to retire comfortably
hksgmy
post Sep 11 2024, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 10 2024, 08:46 PM)
that's why I used  the phrase networth (not just EPF) and also mentioned that 2% is what I use...

too many factors to mention in a simple post:
  for example age before expiration (ie how long to live)... if one is 70 and in bad health, taking out 5% is also not a bad idea... Malaysians, culturally, like to leave behind something but it doesn't mean we cannot deplete one's principal.
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Honestly, if I am in my 70's with bad health, I'd probably take the whole lot out and enjoy whatever days I have left the way I always fantasized the rich and famous did... can't take a cent with me.
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post Sep 11 2024, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 11 2024, 09:20 AM)
i have a question for 60+ years olds.
If EPF is yielding 5%, why are you spending only2%?
Keeping for the next gen?
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Waifu and I are destined to die lonely… we have to come to terms and be prepared to reap what we’ve decided to sow 30 plus years ago, when we decided not to have children. So, in my case, I will withdraw the full passive % and even that we will find we have more than enough left over after all our expenditures to roll onto new income generating investments….

After a certain level, it becomes quite meaningless
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post Sep 11 2024, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Sep 11 2024, 04:16 PM)
You can adopt me to be your sole heir. 🤣🤣🤣
Anyway, unker here advice young people to have kids.

Not because you will be lonely or what, because to me raising a kid is the best experience in my life. Money can't buy.

Not dissing you, bro, you have made your choice and at peace with it. I am just sharing my own personal experience. I didn't think too fondly about having kids before i do. After had one, i realized that is the best thing ever happened to me.
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I can appreciate your comments And I applaud you for making that decision. I think the trouble comes if my wife and I regretted our initial decision, and somehow wish now, when we are in our 50s, to suddenly have kids as a part of our lives.

I live by my mantra: If you have them, never regret them, if you don’t have them, never miss them.

This post has been edited by hksgmy: Sep 11 2024, 06:14 PM
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post Sep 11 2024, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Sep 11 2024, 09:46 AM)
I would leave only the hardware for the next gen and try to consume as much as possible of the software while alive.
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You get to enjoy your fruits but you leave behind the orchard.

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