Pengiktirafan Bumiputera untuk India-Muslim, Potensi Ribut Tahi Tered
Pengiktirafan Bumiputera untuk India-Muslim, Potensi Ribut Tahi Tered
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Anda di sini: Laman Utama | Nasional ยป Pengiktirafan Bumiputera untuk India-Muslim Astro Awani | Kemas kini: Februari 12, 2013 comments Pengiktirafan Bumiputera untuk India-Muslim PLAY Click to Expand & Play KUALA LUMPUR: Langkah membantu golongan India Muslim mendapat status Bumiputera menuntut kerajaan mengkaji semula definisi Bumiputera. Pakar Hubungan Etnik, Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM) Dr Hazman Hassan berkata, ia bagi memastikan definisi sebenar Bumiputera dapat difahami dengan jelas tanpa sebarang kekeliruan. Dr Hazman melihat golongan India Muslim wajar mendapat pengiktirafan Bumiputera sekiranya ciri-ciri yang ada pada Bumiputera dipraktikkan Ini termasuk menjadikan bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa utama. Dr Hazman berkata, "Mungkin satu kebimbangan satu asas orang akan tanya adakah orang India Muslim berkomunikasi dalam Bahasa Malaysia, ya sebab pada masa yang sama, anda boleh lihat Jawa cakap Jawa di rumah cakap tetapi iktiraf Bahasa Malaysia seolah boleh bahasa suku tapi bahasa utama ialah Bahasa Malaysia ." Ujarnya, definisi Bumiputera perlu dikaji semula dengan teliti memandangkan Malaysia sudah lebih 50 tahun mengecapi kemerdekaan. Pada Isnin, kerajaan bersedia untuk membantu India Muslim mendapat pengiktirafan Bumiputera. Perdana Menteri, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak berkata, golongan berkenaan boleh diiktiraf sebagai Bumiputera jika mereka mengamalkan adat resam Melayu serta beragama Islam. Berita mula diterbitkan pada: Februari 12, 2013 13:17 (MYT) Tag: Universiti Utara Malaysia, India Muslim, status Bumiputera, Dr Hazman Hassan Read more at: http://www.astroawani.com/news/show/pengik...-muslim-7082?cp |
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Feb 12 2013, 02:51 PM
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alhamdullilah....jangan songlap kuat macam bn dah laaa.....
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Islam and malay culture= bumiprince
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hexism would be proud, heard he mamak
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cina muslim how?
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Kalau kroni bukan bumiputera, kami bumiputerakan kroni. Mari kita nyanyi lagu sama sama kasi songlap.
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Shahrizat tu bumiputra takkan KIMMA susah nak dapat bumiputra kot...
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non muslim would soon be han.. and kil... i mean opp..sed...gangnam.
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Easily bought over race
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The only country where religion define what is bumiputera..
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Mahathir fap heard this news.
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mahathir also bumiputera
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QUOTE Dr Hazman melihat golongan India Muslim wajar mendapat pengiktirafan Bumiputera sekiranya ciri-ciri yang ada pada Bumiputera dipraktikkan Ini termasuk menjadikan bahasa Melayu sebagai bahasa utama. Dr Hazman berkata, "Mungkin satu kebimbangan satu asas orang akan tanya adakah orang India Muslim berkomunikasi dalam Bahasa Malaysia, ya sebab pada masa yang sama, anda boleh lihat Jawa cakap Jawa di rumah cakap tetapi iktiraf Bahasa Malaysia seolah boleh bahasa suku tapi bahasa utama ialah Bahasa Malaysia ." so how arrrr???? why double standard wan??? izzit becoz of religion? |
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they are more melays than the malay it self....
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:02 PM) those bumi in sabah sarawak, orang asli. their main language is not BM. so how arrrr???? why double standard wan??? izzit becoz of religion? QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:04 PM) termasuk dlm perjanjian sabah dan sarawak untuk join malaysiaThis post has been edited by meazurali89: Feb 12 2013, 04:07 PM |
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:14 PM) bangang juga ko ni.proficiency =/= whether or not the person can speak on the said language drpd semua rakan cina yg ko jumpa, brapa ramai yg langsung x dpt cakap BM? 0? dont fcking tell me all meleis speak baku BM. geeezzzz. comprehension fail 101. |
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:13 PM) tak ingat tahun berapa, tapi dah tukar balik diorang kena cakap bm palak otak ko berjambulat first main language bukan bm, sekarang diorang main language bm have u been to sabah sarawak before? judging by ur post, u have not, and u made up uf fcking assumptions base on ur fcking lies. ps: im a fcking sarawakian. pffffttttttttt |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:04 PM) Read more la. You never go school or wat. Bumiputera refer to penduduk asal Tanah Melayu b4 the form of Malaysia, Peribumi Sabah & Sarawak. There are the differences between Malay and Bumiputera definition. |
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I find it amusing that many Bumis are ok with this.
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QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:22 PM) Read more la. You never go school or wat. eh, u better brush up ur comprehension skill lah. Bumiputera refer to penduduk asal Tanah Melayu b4 the form of Malaysia, Peribumi Sabah & Sarawak. There are the differences between Malay and Bumiputera definition. and u better read TS article properly lah. and then u better crack ur brain out to connect dots between those two subjects lah lah. |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:20 PM) bangang juga ko ni. You need to be more social. You go to town, of course many Cinis can speak BM eventhough pretty shit one. proficiency =/= whether or not the person can speak on the said language drpd semua rakan cina yg ko jumpa, brapa ramai yg langsung x dpt cakap BM? 0? dont fcking tell me all meleis speak baku BM. geeezzzz. comprehension fail 101. Try go to Cinis village around the town like kg baru cina, you can see many Cinis that unable to speak bahasa. |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:22 PM) palak otak ko berjambul oh god please be a retard, seriously you are a retard have u been to sabah sarawak before? judging by ur post, u have not, and u made up uf fcking assumptions base on ur fcking lies. ps: im a fcking sarawakian. pffffttttttttt two source since you are one lazy tahi and i malas nak quote buku and you need to read more about Malaysia - Malaysia, Barbara Andaya Watson - Malaysia: Tradition, Modernity, and Islam , Mauzy read this two book and come discuss with me back, peasant anyways just got back from Sabah Sarawak last month whats up? |
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Feb 12 2013, 04:23 PM) im a bumi and im not ok with this tahi. if they wanna give bumi status to indian muslim, why dont they just fcking give bumi status to whole malaysians whose generations had been staying here since hari merdeka? |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:25 PM) eh, u better brush up ur comprehension skill lah. No you the one who should better crack your brain. Malay is part of bumiputera and i bet, you don't even know the definition of Malay in Malaysia.and u better read TS article properly lah. and then u better crack ur brain out to connect dots between those two subjects lah lah. |
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So any muslim baba nyanya are bumiputera too?
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ITT: G_Ken is a 11 year old kid and he is a retard and also fail all her history test/exams
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Feb 12 2013, 04:23 PM) cause dis news isnt big news in bn control media yet,so.... oh yeah,im bumiputera sabah..im mad at this |
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:26 PM) oh god please be a retard, seriously you are a retard geeez, let me just fcking quote u with ur fcking baseless assumption two source since you are one lazy tahi and i malas nak quote buku and you need to read more about Malaysia - Malaysia, Barbara Andaya Watson - Malaysia: Tradition, Modernity, and Islam , Mauzy read this two book and come discuss with me back, peasant anyways just got back from Sabah Sarawak last month whats up? QUOTE tak ingat tahun berapa, tapi dah tukar balik diorang kena cakap bm at first main language bukan bm, sekarang diorang main language bm bolded statement = proof that u've never been to sabah sarawak before. dafuq BM = main language used by iabn, kadazan, etc etc? either my comprehension skill very bad or ur BM is worse than some chinese here. |
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QUOTE(meazurali89 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:30 PM) cause dis news isnt big news in bn control media yet,so.... not to mention those mindanao, come KK buat kacau want our master race blue icoh yeah,im bumiputera sabah..im mad at this |
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QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:26 PM) You need to be more social. You go to town, of course many Cinis can speak BM eventhough pretty shit one. oh wow, Try go to Cinis village around the town like kg baru cina, you can see many Cinis that unable to speak bahasa. your statement is implying as if majority of chinese cant speak BM. QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:28 PM) No you the one who should better crack your brain. Malay is part of bumiputera and i bet, you don't even know the definition of Malay in Malaysia. eh, since u're too dumb to figure out the main issue here, let me point em out for u okay?:- indian muslim want bumi status - some nut job professor agrees with that since they speak BM as their first language - i was like werttt.....? bumi in sabah sarawak dont speak BM as their first language u dont need to read a freaking book to figure out what a malay is. the definition of a malay can be found in the constitution itself. but what bewilders me is that u tried to include malay inside the the discussion when the topic clearly states between indian-muslim and bumi. haihh..... This post has been edited by G_KeN: Feb 12 2013, 04:38 PM |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:31 PM) geeez, let me just fcking quote u with ur fcking baseless assumption still going to defend my statement, and yes you are still a retardbolded statement = proof that u've never been to sabah sarawak before. dafuq BM = main language used by iabn, kadazan, etc etc? either my comprehension skill very bad or ur BM is worse than some chinese here. geez, let me do the tl;dr with you since you are stupid so you need help kan Timeline 1) Merdeka ( you know what merdeka means right? ) 2) Sabah Sarawak wants to join ( You know Geography right? since you are a retard you need help identifying ) 3) Sabah Sarawak doesn't want Bahasa Melayu to be the official language 4) Ok, but BM become second language, but you must learn ok 5) Ok then slowly they learn BM, at first Sarawak first declare they want to use BM then after few years Sabah Since you don't learn History, remember why Hariss Salleh and Pairin Katingan got butthurt over this? and you are a retard, and you are a disgrace to Sarawak. |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:35 PM) oh wow, >tak faham concept Bumiputrayour statement is implying as if majority of chinese cant speak BM. eh, since u're too dumb to figure out the main issue here, let me point em out for u okay?: - indian muslim want bumi status - some nut job professor agrees with that since they speak BM as their first language - i was like werttt.....? bumi in sabah sarawak dont speak BM as their first language u dont need to read a freaking book to figure out what a malay is. the definition of a malay can be found in the constitution itself. but what bewilders me is that u tried to include malay inside the the discussion when the topic clearly states between indian-muslim and bumi. haihh..... so... dah nampak belum problem kau? |
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:38 PM) still going to defend my statement, and yes you are still a retard oh lol, geez, let me do the tl;dr with you since you are stupid so you need help kan Timeline 1) Merdeka ( you know what merdeka means right? ) 2) Sabah Sarawak wants to join ( You know Geography right? since you are a retard you need help identifying ) 3) Sabah Sarawak doesn't want Bahasa Melayu to be the official language 4) Ok, but BM become second language, but you must learn ok 5) Ok then slowly they learn BM, at first Sarawak first declare they want to use BM then after few years Sabah Since you don't learn History, remember why Hariss Salleh and Pairin Katingan got butthurt over this? and you are a retard, and you are a disgrace to Sarawak. just becoz BM has replaced BI as the official language used in Sabah sarawak does not mean the bumi is using BM as their main language, get it? trolololololol, you're a disgrace to all meleis here. |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:41 PM) oh lol, >implying BUMI doesn't use BM in major towns in Sabah Sarawakjust becoz BM has replaced BI as the official language used in Sabah sarawak does not mean the bumi is using BM as their main language, get it? trolololololol, you're a disgrace to all meleis here. seriously, i doubt about you are from Sarawak. Any chance that you are Mindanao descent from Phillipine? Either way, you are Mindanao for me |
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:43 PM) >implying BUMI doesn't use BM in major towns in Sabah Sarawak eh bugger, seriously, which town did u visit in sarawak?seriously, i doubt about you are from Sarawak. Any chance that you are Mindanao descent from Phillipine? Either way, you are Mindanao for me did u visit song? kapit? do they speak BM even during trading? and u're implying other races never use BM is just |
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orang cina nak berniaga dgn peniaga melayu, orang cina cakap cina je kah? mereka x pernah cakap BM dgn peniaga melayu?
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:35 PM) oh wow, Not majority but still a lot. Don't you think it was really shameful Malaysian can't speak their own national language while they claiming they are the part of this country.your statement is implying as if majority of chinese cant speak BM. eh, since u're too dumb to figure out the main issue here, let me point em out for u okay?: - indian muslim want bumi status - some nut job professor agrees with that since they speak BM as their first language - i was like werttt.....? bumi in sabah sarawak dont speak BM as their first language u dont need to read a freaking book to figure out what a malay is. the definition of a malay can be found in the constitution itself. but what bewilders me is that u tried to include malay inside the the discussion when the topic clearly states between indian-muslim and bumi. haihh..... And you're dumbo try to act clever. I believe what that prof actually try to say is, he want to include Indian Muslim as part of Malay too. Like i said, there is a difference between Bumiputera and Malay definition. Some Sarawakian/Sabah people treat BM as 2nd language but still consider as bumiputera because they are fcking peribumi there. I surprise you also don't know about this eventhough you're Sarawakian. You don't need to have degree to understand what i'm trying to deliver. |
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:47 PM) orang cina nak berniaga dgn peniaga melayu, orang cina cakap cina je kah? mereka x pernah cakap BM dgn peniaga melayu? Assuming all Cinis are businessman. bodoh And many Cinis businessman that hardly can speak BM not include Malay as one of their target market. Or mostly they'll use proxy and not the one who deal with the cust. |
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QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:47 PM) Not majority but still a lot. Don't you think it was really shameful Malaysian can't speak their own national language while they claiming they are the part of this country. tak payah layan, 1992 rupanya tarikh dia lahir, no wonder argue macam budak kecik And you're dumbo try to act clever. I believe what that prof actually try to say is, he want to include Indian Muslim as part of Malay too. Like i said, there is a difference between Bumiputera and Malay definition. Some Sarawakian/Sabah people treat BM as 2nd language but still consider as bumiputera because they are fcking peribumi there. I surprise you also don't know about this eventhough you're Sarawakian. You don't need to have degree to understand what i'm trying to deliver. |
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QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:47 PM) Not majority but still a lot. Don't you think it was really shameful Malaysian can't speak their own national language while they claiming they are the part of this country. lol, And you're dumbo try to act clever. I believe what that prof actually try to say is, he want to include Indian Muslim as part of Malay too. Like i said, there is a difference between Bumiputera and Malay definition. Some Sarawakian/Sabah people treat BM as 2nd language but still consider as bumiputera because they are fcking peribumi there. I surprise you also don't know about this eventhough you're Sarawakian. You don't need to have degree to understand what i'm trying to deliver. you were trying to differentiate between a bumi and a malay the article itself clearly stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a bumi. im not sure if you're reading the same article as i did, but it clearly stated 'bumiputra status' and in case u didnt know, article 160, 161 of the constitution stated that "Malay" and "indigenous peoples" (Article 160(2)), "natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)), and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6)9b)) are categorised as BUMI im surprised that u did not read the article throughly. never did the article stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a malay, but rather a BUMI |
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Siamese in Malaysia also now bumiputra. I doubt they practise malay culture.
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:54 PM) lol, hurr durr i am quoting using articles and constitution oh oh we have a smart guy over hereyou were trying to differentiate between a bumi and a malay the article itself clearly stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a bumi. im not sure if you're reading the same article as i did, but it clearly stated 'bumiputra status' and in case u didnt know, article 160, 161 of the constitution stated that "Malay" and "indigenous peoples" (Article 160(2)), "natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)), and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6)9b)) are categorised as BUMI im surprised that u did not read the article throughly. never did the article stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a malay, but rather a BUMI |
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Feb 12 2013, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:52 PM) QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:53 PM) ahahaha, tak nak argue sbb point sendiri salahand u're implying everyone in the internet reveal their true date of birth is just ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha funny lah u all, assuming most chinese cant speak proper BM when the fact that bumi themselves dont speak proper BM to begin with. which is why i questioned the reason to use proficiency / fluency in national language as the main criteria to get bumi status. |
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Feb 12 2013, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:54 PM) lol, That prof doesn't need to explain shit one by one. Use your brain to understand. you were trying to differentiate between a bumi and a malay the article itself clearly stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a bumi. im not sure if you're reading the same article as i did, but it clearly stated 'bumiputra status' and in case u didnt know, article 160, 161 of the constitution stated that "Malay" and "indigenous peoples" (Article 160(2)), "natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)), and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6)9b)) are categorised as BUMI im surprised that u did not read the article throughly. never did the article stated that indian-muslim should be recognized as a malay, but rather a BUMI By the definition that he gave, it definitely refer to the definition of Malay and Malay=Bumiputera in Malaysia. |
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Feb 12 2013, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Feb 12 2013, 04:54 PM) these pipul cant differentiate between race and religion. and these pipul clearly didnt read constitution, the very same constitution that they are trying very hard to 'preserve' to 'protect' their own race. hue hue hue |
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Feb 12 2013, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 12 2013, 04:57 PM) ahahaha, tak nak argue sbb point sendiri salah bila aku cakap ni?and u're implying everyone in the internet reveal their true date of birth is just ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha funny lah u all, assuming most chinese cant speak proper BM when the fact that bumi themselves dont speak proper BM to begin with. which is why i questioned the reason to use proficiency / fluency in national language as the main criteria to get bumi status. kah kah dahlah malas layan budak bodoh macam kau, suka twist ayat orang sendiri bodoh |
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Feb 12 2013, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(~Slim Shady~ @ Feb 12 2013, 04:59 PM) That prof doesn't need to explain shit one by one. Use your brain to understand. then why are u arguing with me that malays are not bumiputra in the first place? malays or indeginious pipul or sabah/sarawak natives, they are under the same category as BUMIPUTERA that enjoy BUMIPUTERA SPECIAL RIGHTS.By the definition that he gave, it definitely refer to the definition of Malay and Malay=Bumiputera in Malaysia. BUT, first u said malays are not the same as bumi then u said malays = bumi pls make up ur mind. |
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Feb 12 2013, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Feb 12 2013, 05:01 PM) bila aku cakap ni? did i specifically said u were the one who said that? kah kah dahlah malas layan budak bodoh macam kau, suka twist ayat orang sendiri bodoh trolololol. clearly u didnt read the whole thread and u're just anticipating my posts and reply em with ur worthless one line typical replies. cant debate intelligently? post insulting one line replies. how classic... |
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