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 Scirocco 1.4 TSI vs Polo 1.4 GTI, Please enlighten me

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twincharger07
post Feb 9 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:01 PM)
I just amaze as how VW can be more expensive than Skoda when Skoda is using the same Tsi and DSG technology.

In Australia, my friend got his Polo Gti for $35k (3 years ago), so what is so premium about the car? Ok granted that VW can charge higher than its other competitors because all their models (except the Polo Sedan) got turbo but besides that its just an ordinary car with better transmission.

VWs here are priced somewhere in between the Toyotas and the BMWs. Isn't that regarded as luxury car? For eg the Jetta, rm150k? Do you think its worth that price? It looks like a C-segment sedan car. I mind as well buy the Mazda CX-5 at that price range.

I was just trying to be humble about not knowing much about VW cars, but that doesn't mean I am noob about VW.
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Premium not always same as Luxury... you pay a premium price for Honda Civic over Elantra.. y? bcos Civic is better refinement interms of engine and ride.. so is Honda luxury?

VW might not be as luxury as Beemer but finishing is ahead of its Japanese rivals. thats the premium you pay..

You pay a premium price for Oris, Hamilton, Mido which are much more expensive than Seiko and Orient, but Oris, Hamiltion and Mido are still far from categorizing itself to be same rank with Rolex and Omega... IWC could be Rolls Royce category..

the bottom line is... Premium not always same as Luxury...
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post Feb 9 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 9 2013, 07:23 PM)
Premium not always same as Luxury... you pay a premium price for Honda Civic over Elantra.. y? bcos Civic is better refinement interms of engine and ride.. so is Honda luxury?

VW might not be as luxury as Beemer but finishing is ahead of its Japanese rivals. thats the premium you pay..

You pay a premium price for Oris, Hamilton, Mido which are much more expensive than Seiko and Orient, but Oris, Hamiltion and Mido are still far from categorizing itself to be same rank with Rolex and Omega... IWC could be Rolls Royce category.. 

the bottom line is... Premium not always same as Luxury...
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1) Whether its a luxury or premium model, my opinion is that VW is still overpriced.

2) Come on, even the Polo Sedan is sold at rm99k? What is the justification for selling this car at this price? It doesn't have turbo, it doesn't even have vti.

3) Koreans are able to sell their cars and electronics cheaper than their Japanese counterparts because of the higher Yen. Besides we all know that UMW and Honda Malaysia are deliberately raising the prices because they apparently think their cars are more premium than korean cars. I do not think so.

But thats about to change because Japan is trying to devalue their Yen.
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post Feb 9 2013, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:01 PM)
For eg the Jetta, rm150k? Do you think its worth that price? It looks like a C-segment sedan car. I mind as well buy the Mazda CX-5 at that price range.

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this sort of argument IMHO will never have an ending
its just like saying why buy Ford Fiesta where you can buy an Inspira or a Kia Forte for the same price, do you think its worth it?
and then you compare another model with another one.. Golf GTI vs BMW3 series.. VW not luxury brand, y same price close to Beemer 3 series.. VW CC vs Audi A4.. why 1 Honda Jazz where you can buy 2 Myvi? Honda Jazz in Japan is just like MyVi in Msia... VW in Germany just like Proton in Msia.. Peugeot 308T in France just like Preve in Msia.. why pay so much premium.. etc etc...
and then another one, and then another one
and the argument goes on and on and on and on.....


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post Feb 9 2013, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:38 PM)
3) Koreans are able to sell their cars and electronics cheaper than their Japanese counterparts because of the higher Yen. Besides we all know that UMW and Honda Malaysia are deliberately raising the prices because they apparently think their cars are more premium than korean cars  I do not think so.

But thats about to change because Japan is trying to devalue their Yen..
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Spot on.... arent malaysian paying overprice for Toyota and Honda too.. if you argue the car price is expensive due to exchange rate, you are saying we are paying much more that its actual value..

Thus, as I said in my earlier post, we all pay overprice cars in msia...

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post Feb 9 2013, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 9 2013, 07:44 PM)
this sort of argument IMHO will never have an ending
its just like saying why buy Ford Fiesta where you can buy an Inspira or a Kia Forte for the same price, do you think its worth it?
and then you compare another model with another one.. Golf GTI vs BMW3 series.. VW not luxury brand, y same price close to Beemer 3 series.. VW CC vs Audi A4.. why 1 Honda Jazz where you can buy 2 Myvi? Honda Jazz in Japan is just like MyVi in Msia... VW in Germany just like Proton in Msia.. Peugeot 308T in France just like Preve in Msia.. why pay so much premium.. etc etc...
and then another one, and then another one
and the argument goes on and on and on and on.....
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My argument is about its over priceyness. So why not I use other models as a comparison?

Look, its unfair to compare Ford Fiesta to Inspira and Kia Forte, because I view them all at the affordability range (below rm90k). After all, you debated on the "premium price range", so you yourself have open the pandora's box for comparison for premium price range cars.

Whereas if I could afford the VW, I mind as well go for the better quality Volvo.

Look, VW prices are not that far off from Toyotas and Hondas in Australia, so why is it so premium here in Malaysia?

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 9 2013, 07:49 PM)
Spot on.... arent malaysian paying overprice for Toyota and Honda too.. if you argue the car price is expensive due to exchange rate, you are saying we are paying much more that its actual value..

Thus, as I said in my earlier post, we all pay overprice cars in msia...
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Yes almost all cars in msia are overpriced. Except the Proton Saga FLX, I wish all cars in Msia are priced like this car.
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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:52 PM)
My argument is about its over priceyness. So why not I use other models as a comparison?

Look, its unfair to compare Ford Fiesta to Inspira and Kia Forte, because I view them all at the affordability range (below rm90k). After all, you debated on the "premium price range", so you yourself have open the pandora's box for comparison for premium price range cars.

Whereas if I could afford the VW, I mind as well go for the better quality Volvo.

Look, VW prices are not that far off from Toyotas and Hondas in Australia, so why is it so premium here in Malaysia?
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is there a guideline for "affordable range"? or you set it yourself that affordable range is <90k? affordable is very individual...
premium is relative pricing but not a range.... you pay a premium on something over another thing.. thats my arguement..

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:54 PM)
Yes almost all cars in msia are overpriced. Except the Proton Saga FLX, I wish all cars in Msia are priced like this car.
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lolzzz.... nice discussion... time for reunion dinner... GongXiFaChai n Happy CNY....
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:49 PM)
Spot on.... arent malaysian paying overprice for Toyota and Honda too.. if you argue the car price is expensive due to exchange rate, you are saying we are paying much more that its actual value..

Thus, as I said in my earlier post, we all pay overprice cars in msia...
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bro i totally agree with you. a Honda Jazz can cost more than RM100k just because is CBU from thailand. Talking about assembling in Malaysia and thailand. i would say the quality of finishing is almost the same.
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post Feb 9 2013, 11:03 PM

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Ppl always say that is overpriced, this is overpriced. If something is overpriced ppl won't buy it and the company bungkus already.

If there are ppl buying and the company is thriving (i.e making a profit) then the product is priced correctly.

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post Feb 9 2013, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 9 2013, 06:38 PM)
1) Whether its a luxury or premium model, my opinion is that VW is still overpriced.

2) Come on, even the Polo Sedan is sold at rm99k? What is the justification for selling this car at this price? It doesn't have turbo, it doesn't even have vti.

3) Koreans are able to sell their cars and electronics cheaper than their Japanese counterparts because of the higher Yen. Besides we all know that UMW and Honda Malaysia are deliberately raising the prices because they apparently think their cars are more premium than korean cars. I do not think so.

But thats about to change because Japan is trying to devalue their Yen.
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If you think all is so expensive and cant afford to have one, stick with Malaysia boleh proton or myvi , enough said cool2.gif
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post Feb 9 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(sugizo36881 @ Feb 9 2013, 11:18 PM)
If you think all is so expensive and cant afford to have one, stick with Malaysia boleh proton or myvi , enough said   cool2.gif
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That's funny. If I think something is overpriced doesn't mean I cannot afford one, it simply means I think it's better to spend the money on something else.

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post Feb 12 2013, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 9 2013, 08:02 PM)
is there a guideline for "affordable range"? or you set it yourself that affordable range is <90k? affordable is very individual...
premium is relative pricing but not a range.... you pay a premium on something over another thing.. thats my arguement..
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I not so rich lah, what to do.

If my salary is RM30k a month, then I can say the Polo Gti is affordable range.

It is overpriced for me because I not so rich ma. I am just the average consumer.

Of course got people buy these cars lah because I am sure there are those people who are rich man son.

Some people here are willing to buy a Lamborgini Murceliago for RM2million (am I right to say its around that price?) when you can get it in USA for (USD150k). Its affordable to them.
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QUOTE(sugizo36881 @ Feb 10 2013, 12:18 AM)
If you think all is so expensive and cant afford to have one, stick with Malaysia boleh proton or myvi , enough said  cool2.gif
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Still got other cars can afford ma besides proton.

Oh, I am never going to buy proton unless I want to start big family and need the Exora.

Vios, City, Forte, Elantra, Peogeot Vti, x-gear livinia, almera, sentra, jazz, insight, prius c, fiesta, ford ranger, mitsubishi triton, avanza, innova still within the affordable range.
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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 12 2013, 11:08 AM)
I not so rich lah, what to do.

If my salary is RM30k a month, then I can say the Polo Gti is affordable range.

It is overpriced for me because I not so rich ma. I am just the average consumer.

Of course got people buy these cars lah because I am sure there are those people who are rich man son.

Some people here are willing to buy a Lamborgini Murceliago for RM2million (am I right to say its around that price?) when you can get it in USA for (USD150k). Its affordable to them.
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TS rich la... no point telling TS "overprice"...
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Feb 12 2013, 01:14 PM)
TS rich la... no point telling TS "overprice"...
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don say like that. i think no need RM30k per month to own a Polo Gti. i am not looking to get new one anyway.
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QUOTE(mgihty_arsenal @ Feb 12 2013, 04:08 PM)
don say like that. i think no need RM30k per month to own a Polo Gti. i am not looking to get new one anyway.
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lolzzz.... all the best with your choice.. y not wait till new golf mk7..
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post Feb 12 2013, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(mgihty_arsenal @ Feb 12 2013, 05:08 PM)
don say like that. i think no need RM30k per month to own a Polo Gti. i am not looking to get new one anyway.
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Got second hand Polo Gti meh? Hardly see any second hand Polo Sport leave alone a Polo Gti.
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QUOTE(mgihty_arsenal @ Feb 12 2013, 05:08 PM)
don say like that. i think no need RM30k per month to own a Polo Gti. i am not looking to get new one anyway.
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I think TS salary is at least RM10k or above per month. If you are paying 100% loan on 5 years, then you have to at least pay RM3k a month based on assumption of 2.5% interest.
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QUOTE(Samurai X @ Feb 7 2013, 11:07 PM)
So, the main purpose of buying a car is smoking each other?  tongue.gif
What about those Prancing Horse or Skylines driving in the middle lane? If you overtake them in a Myvi, can you claim that you actually
smoked them?  laugh.gif
I'll take the better handling and aesthetic Scirocco 1.4TSI any day and drive leisurely without lane hogging or hopping.
There are always others which are much faster. Sepang and Speed City is there for a reason.
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Hahaha, totally agreed with you.


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