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post Aug 5 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(dywx07045 @ Aug 5 2013, 10:19 PM)
You can get it at those supermarkets like Mercato, BIG groceries, or Cold storage, there's a brand called "love earth", about rm 8 for 200-300g
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Or you could just go to Indian grocery stores to get it much cheaper. It's a staple food.
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post Oct 9 2013, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Oct 9 2013, 01:09 AM)
Would like to ask a question. In. A cutting phase, why increase fat intake( good fats) during cutting phase? Isn't t better to have minimal fat intake during that time?

How would increasing the intake help with fat loss
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This can probably explain comprehensively

http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton...tting-diet.html
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post Oct 31 2013, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Oct 31 2013, 05:07 PM)
Sifus, how do you professional 'bulkers' manage to hit your calorie intake everyday?
Based on Bodybuilding.com, i need 3390 calories
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/macronutcal.htm

My typical diet is
Morning
140 1 scoop Whey Protein
180 3 Whole Eggs, 1 Egg White

Brunch
110 Almonds

Lunch
410 230g of Chicken Breast
300 Wholemeal Wantan Noodles
040 1 cup of Broccoli
240 Olive Oil

Tea
220 Cereal
150 300ml of LF Milk

PostWO
140 1 scoop Whey Protein
110 1 scoop Maize Starch ( Carbohydrates )

Dinner
470 200g Beef
270 Wholemeal Wantan Noodles
040 1 cup broccoli
240 Olive Oil

Night Snack
110 Almonds

Before Sleep
140 1 scoop Whey Protein
200 400ml LF Milk

TOTAL
3510 Calories
But my diet is not consistent, it happens rarely, those are the days that i have to wake up at 8 in the morning lol
If not, usually it will be around 3000+- calories
I'm gaining 1kg +- every month only
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1kg per month in lean mass is good progress, no?

Replace your LF milk with full cream milk that'd do the trick.

And don't throw away that single egg yolk in the morning doh.gif
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post Oct 31 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Oct 31 2013, 09:59 PM)
LF with full cream milk? I'm planning to clean bulk though. Ahhaha, 4 yolks? Too much calories i'm afraid :/ I think my fats are pretty balanced. I take omega 3 capsules as well. Other sources from fish, olive oil. nuts
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I thought you're finding it tough to hit your calorie requirement?

By LF did you mean low fat milk?
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post Nov 1 2013, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Nov 1 2013, 12:08 AM)
too much CHOLESTEROL i'm sorry!
yeah buddy
I thought full-cream milk is fattening haha
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You could always go for a blood test (which you should be doing anyway), before and after, give probably about 5 months. Not too late to make changes too if needed. Most likely your levels won't be affected by high dietary cholesterol consumption. Difference between full cream and low fat is just the existence of saturated fats, which your egg yolk contains anyway.. If it fits your macros why not. Considering your diet is pretty much devoid of refined carbs I don't think you'll gain much fats with the right amount of lifting. Or you could just increase your olive oil intake tongue.gif Fat (especially oil) is a much easier source of calories than carb or protein, for me at least.

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post Nov 17 2013, 12:49 AM

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Hi guys, I've been using nutritiondata.self.com all these while to track in depth on various micro-nutrient composition of meals. However lately it's been abit glitchy and slow. Tried going through other sites like myfitnesspal and fitday but they're just for macros and calories, not in-depth at all.

What do you guys use? Any recommendations?

A look into how detailed it goes, as below. Can even set your personal %DV for each micronutrient.

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post Nov 17 2013, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(YakAttack @ Nov 17 2013, 12:13 PM)
You can try MyFitnesspal. Its a pretty popular website/app for this purpose.
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Thanks for the recommendation. Tried it out, it only calculate calories and macros. Whereas nutritiondata.self.com is pretty comprehensive down to each vitamin, can even set your own target %dv requirements.
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QUOTE(kubuk @ Feb 26 2014, 01:19 PM)
How do you guys eat extra meals in the office? I just started interning last week. Didn't know how to ask for permission to eat extra meals during working hours so I only had lunch. Do you guys eat just like that or go to a corner or something? Nobody else does it over here. Been losing weight over this past week. Not a good thing. Had to carry over my meals and swallow them all at night. I know its more of a moral question but what do u guys do?
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Just eat. Make sure it doesn't give out any smell and loud crunching sounds though. Like a shake, or sandwich, those are fine, as opposed to mee goreng for example.

Any angry stares, just politely enquire if it's now allowed here? By the way if you have an existing pantry then use it, good thing to walk around at least every 1.5 hour or so.

And you wouldn't want to be working in an unfriendly environment anyway.

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post Nov 26 2014, 10:22 AM

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Reckon I should be asking this here as you guys would have relevant experience.

I suspect I have tight hamstrings, hip flexors, and pelvic floor muscles.

Some common moves I can't do are:
1) When lying back down on the floor, can't lift leg more than 40 degrees.
2) Can't sit straight up on the floor without folding legs upwards to chest (i.e. a 90 degrees (at pelvis) position while seated on floor is impossible)
3) Walking and standing for more than an hour would start to give some ankles and lower back soreness.

Used to cause lower back pain a couple of years ago but that's already gone. Been doing things like Pilates' Standing Roll Down, and once in a while some seated hamstring stretch (very limited stretch).

Recently read this, and guess it's about time I spend some money seeking a professional: http://www.mikereinold.com/2013/10/can-tig...hamstrings.html

Would you guys happen to know anyone with experience with sports injuries/rehab, and well versed about muscles and spine health? Would like to see him/her. I can't just walk into any chiro/physio as they would be very costly and might not be proficient in this area.

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post Nov 26 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Nov 26 2014, 11:29 AM)
Tight Hamstrings - Lie flat on the floor, one feet straight, one feet with a resistance band at the bottom of your foot - bend your knee and lift to 45 degrees then straighten mid air - proceed to pull the resistance band towards you and hold the stretched position for a good 2 minutes or when the numbness kicks in - whichever that comes first. Proceed with stretching your calves out as well.

Hips - Youtube Kelly Starrett hip openers/ pre-squat sequence/ lower body etc

Pelvic Floor -  rclxub.gif  If you have a good grasp on how to control your core, you'd achieve tightness from your chest cavity to your core. If your core aren't strong enough - proceed with core strengthening exercises.

Why seek treatment when you're not in pain? It's good to have bi-weekyl adjustments with a chiro for your spinal health though.
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Wow, googled Kelly's hip openers, will certainly give them a try. However another concern is that whenever I try stretching my hamstrings, for example while in a seated position, or partial lunges, the knees section becomes so tight that I'm worried they'd be injured - would they?

Anyway while lying down on the floor I can bend my knee and lift to 45 degrees, but I won't be able to straighten the leg fully then due to the tightness in hamstring. Probably a reversed V shape. Can start stretching a bit with pain (major discomfort), with the assistance of a resistance band.

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post Nov 26 2014, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Nov 26 2014, 03:02 PM)
That's why I asked you to bend your knees and lift then straighten the leg. Your posterior is tight and possibly quite weak. Increase your resistance slowly. If you can't do 45 degrees now, then push it to a degree where you are at your very maximum NOW. Then move up once it becomes comfortable. Stretch your hamstring and calves post-workout every session, start decreasing only after you can at have a straight leg up at 90 degrees. It'll hurt like a b!tch starting out, but it'll be worth your time.

Do your hamstring stretch lying, that's the best way you can keep your back neutral.

You'd be super surprised on how your squats and deads will feel once you start having your hips, hamstrings and ankle mobile and flexible.
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I'm afraid I'm not too clear about your instructions. Bend my knees (with leg down), bring closer to chest, then lift and straighten the leg horizontally? I can do the part for the knees (bring closer to chest, but not fully), but will not be able to straighten the leg. Probably can straighten for about 15-20 degrees only, will have to use a resistance band to bring it to say 40 degrees while my butt remains firmly on the floor. 90 degrees will be impossible without lifting my butt off the floor. So you're saying I should start from here and work on it?

Also while standing, and lift one leg up, say 40 degrees (unable to do more than that while keeping the same straight posture), and place it back down, there'll be a slight 'pop' (or rather, 'thud') sound & feeling somewhere in between the spine and the pelvis. It's not a one off thing like popping your knuckles, but rather, a consistent thing. I suppose this is related to tight pelvic floor muscle and hip flexors?

Yes I do notice I'm hitting my lower back more than desired with squats (even with proper posture) and I cannot do stiff legged deads at all (it's too painful for my hamstrings/or too weak). Also very weak at bent over rows (due to hamstring), my mom could probably do more reps than me. It's hindering progress.

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Nov 26 2014, 03:46 PM)
1) Ready resistance band
2) Sit on the floor and lie down with both feet straight
3) Loop resistance band against one of your foot and bend your knees
4) With one leg straight on the floor, straighten your other leg and slowly pull the resistance band towards.
5) Stretch as far as your current flexibility allows you and over time as your hamstring loosens up, slowly increase the force put on the resistance band.

I get the pop sound in my joints as well - knuckles, shoulders, hip joint usually if I've been in a certain position too long - typing for a good amount of time/asleep/sat down for far too long. If it doesnt hurt or causes any discomfort - why worry about it?

Work on your mobility, core strength, glute activation, hip openers and ankle mobility <- The usual problem with 90% of the lifters - myself included.
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Ok thanks for the clarification. I suppose I should be keeping my buttocks firmly on the ground and not let it get lifted?

On the pop, it does cause discomfort, but not pain. Note that it's not the usual one-off pop due to air bubbles in the joint. It's 100% recurring everytime I lift and lower my leg (either standing or lying down) while keeping a straight back. Can feel it too. Wonder if I do this consistently enough something would wear off and eventually get pain?
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Nov 27 2014, 09:35 AM)
The video is about working towards a good position for a deadlift. But what you should take away from it is the work done for it.

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Thanks man. You know what, besides providing a good start to credible sources to learn from, it's been very motivating as well. Motivated to try these exercises you posted first thing Saturday morning. Thanks again, and will report back on progress/questions.

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QUOTE(Tham @ Nov 28 2014, 09:25 PM)
As bodybuilders, I'm sure you've heard of HMB, HICA and KIC, the leucine
metabolites and keto acid ?

I've been trying to get HMB across to my father who's bedridden in the nursing
home and wasting away, but have been blocked by my elder brother and the
nursing home owners, both of whom know nothing about cachexia or the fact
that many bodybuilding supplements also have applications in aging and
degenerative diseases.
HMB supplementation: clinical and athletic performance-related
effects and mechanisms of action.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20607321
Supplementation with beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) and
alpha-ketoisocaproic acid (KIC) reduces signs and symptoms of
exercise-induced muscle damage in man.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16286672/
Chronic α-hydroxyisocaproic acid treatment improves muscle recovery
after immobilization-induced atrophy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23757407
Effects of alfa-hydroxy-isocaproic acid on body composition,
DOMS and performance in athletes.

http://www.jissn.com/content/7/1/1
Effect of HMB supplementation on body composition, fitness,
hormonal profile and muscle damage indices.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20857835
HMB supplementation: clinical and athletic performance-related
effects and mechanisms of action.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20607321/
Effects of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate supplementation during
resistance training on strength, body composition, and muscle damage
in trained and untrained young men: a meta-analysis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19387395/
Effects of nine weeks of beta-hydroxy-beta- methylbutyrate supplementation
on strength and body composition in resistance trained men.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19387396
Leucine supplementation and intensive training.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10418071/
Amino acid supplements and recovery from
high-intensity resistance training.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20300014/
Branched-chain amino acid supplementation attenuates muscle soreness,
muscle damage and inflammation during an intensive training program.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20087302
Montmorency cherry juice reduces muscle damage
caused by intensive strength exercise.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21233776
Influence of tart cherry juice on indices of recovery following marathon running.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19883392/
Cherry juice targets antioxidant potential and pain relief.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23075558/
Grape consumption's effects on fitness, muscle injury,
mood, and perceived health.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22952194/
Ellagitannin consumption improves strength
recovery 2-3 d after eccentric exercise.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19952825
Effect of methylsulfonylmethane supplementation on exercise -
Induced muscle damage and total antioxidant capacity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22525653/
Cherry juice can help get a good night's sleep.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/88...ghts-sleep.html
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I would say that many wouldn't know, as supplementation science isn't studied very much, unless you're in the competitive arena. That said I believe darlight79 would know more on this subject.

That said, I understand the supplement leucine to be useful to optimize gains for competitive purposes, but other than that it isn't very much useful. Re: http://josephagu.com/2013/01/18/bcaas-for-...science-part-1/ (Especially Part 3).

Interesting part on the tart cherry juice. How much do they cost locally here?




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QUOTE(Tham @ Dec 1 2014, 07:10 PM)
You can't take a single writeup of one person as the gospel truth.
That's just his opinion. If you listen to people like him, you'll end up
taking nothing at all.

It may not work for him, but that doesn't mean it won't work for you - and vice versa.

As I had told William, my late cancer friend - you can take 1,000 studies which
concludes that a particular supplement or herb is useless for cancer, but if it
works for YOU, to hell with all those studies !

Conversely, if 1,000,000 studies says that a supplement or drugs works for sure
in cancer, but if it is useless for YOU, those studies can all be used for toilet paper.

Plain common sense.
How could you not even have heard of HMB ?  It's selling in bodybuilding shops,
GNC, Nature's Farm and health food stores everywhere.

I'm a very skinny person, don't even exercise, but I've known about HMB
for the past two decades.

HMB and HICA have advantages over leucine because they are metabolites, but
leucine is much cheaper, and, as a BCAA, definitely has usefulness in anything
relating to muscles and body tissues - bodybuilding, athletic performance,
degenerative disease. the cachexia (muscle wasting) of aging, cancer and and
other wasting diseases.
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Why? Because there are many supplements out there, and if we were to take all of them that provided benefits, that would certainly burn a whole in the wallet.

For enthusiast bodybuilders, non-competitive, the supplements most regularly consumed would be a multivitamin, caffeine (coffee or other pre-workout formulas), fish oil, whey protein concentrate (or isolate), and creatine monohydrate. These are deemed as already sufficient to do the intended job, without breaking the bank.

Increasingly popular would be BCAA as it has been widely promoted by leading supplement brands and some of the more visible scientists or competitive bodybuilders behind these brands. One such person is Layne, who's a competitive bodybuilder as well as specializes in research on 'muscle protein and amino acid metabolism'.

Now this is a review from http://josephagu.com/2013/03/26/bccas-for-...science-part-3/ :

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Layne Norton may indeed be ahead of the game when it comes to his suggested BCAA protocol taken between meals separated by 4-6 hours. However, when compared to a sufficient protein intake (2.5-3g/kg) spread over the typical 3-4 meals (as suggested in part 2), I can’t see how this tactic could be much more beneficial, if at all. To quote Alan Aragon speaking about Layne Norton about the very topic:

“it’s crucial to realize that [Layne’s BCAA protocol] might be miniscule and not worth the effort or expense for non-competitive populations. In repeated personal communication, he has admitted to me that this tactic is done in attempt to clinch a very small edge to win. As a top-level, drug-free competitor, it’s justifiable to exploit all hypothetical nutritional means within reason in order to conjure the last bit of potential.”


*Note: Alan Aragon is another academic/science based heavyweight in the bodybuilding/nutrition research arena.

While not being well-versed with the scientific studies, the above claims do make sense, from a benefit vs cost point of view. This comment of mine is however strictly reserved for physique improvement and non-competitive bodybuilding. If you think this is dead wrong, we're of course all for learning on this thread, and not hostile to opinions.

 

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