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Xero
post Mar 30 2006, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Mar 30 2006, 11:20 AM)
Thanks a lot man, I'm really interested in singing and want to learn how to make full use of my voice. I don't expect to sound like BB King or James Blunt in a few months time. tongue.gif  Of course, one can dream. thumbup.gif

Thanks a lot man, that's a very informative post. How long have you been taking lessons anyway?
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me? taking lessons? I don't tongue.gif . My friend also ask me before did i took singing class after he hear me sing. I'm borned with it one biggrin.gif.But I do practice at home since I was in primary school, so I keep improving, I just practice by listening to the song and try to vibrate or whatever that I find cool or new inside the fella's song. At first you must try to imitate the fella at least and do what he does, then after you are u think u are good enough, then only you can go with your own style and find your own voice.

But I did feel at one time that I wanna improve my singing even more so thats why i went asking here and there and came up with those places i listed above, but when they tell me the price of their class...I start to move out of the shop or wanna say bye bye to the fella i called edi lol.

And of course, one can dream, a lot of the successful people we know in today's world were dreamers, so dont let anyone who gets in your way stops you from achieving it. If you have the drive, no one can stop you.


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post Mar 30 2006, 05:31 PM

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One word of advise! Heavy metal is not good to be used to train for singing! lol...because it is actually more to like a common voice that anybody can do so it doesn't really involve much skill in singing. Though I know there are lot of Metal fans here but if you really wanna learn how to sing you gotta learn from either Pop or R&B genre. because these genres use a lot of singing skills. And what I mean by pop is not like Christina Aguilera or Britney spears or Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston type of pop...those are too high standard singing already.

What you can start with is genres like Pop Rock or Pop Punk. these are easier and something that I think you might be able to start with, try to listen to Mark hoppus (bassist of blink 182 just in case u didnt know) sing, and try to sing like him, its quite easy ,then only you move up. Then maybe after that you can go to higher standard one like Backstreet boys, Westlife, James Blunt or those R&B stuff but I dont guarantee everyone who cannot sing before this can go there. Only guys with at least a bit girlish type of voice can. If you're lucky, during the process of learning, you might find that you have that girlish type of voice inside of you that you never knew you had because you never let it go out. I think some people do have this type of voice just that some are afraid of letting out their whole voice or singing skill either because of shyness, low confident or afraid of rejection by people who hear.

But if you dont have the girly type of voice it doesnt mean that you can't sing. You can, but probably in a lower tone. To me actually 'sing' is more based on your breathing techniques and how to control your voice.
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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Mar 30 2006, 02:45 PM)
i know this singer for this band(forgot whats his band's name) that made it to asian beat finals and he said he'll meet up with me just to show me the techniques but i didnt ask if he could give serious lessons. i've been (and will be) very busy for my current tests and coming finals so i cant meet him.
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Hah icic... when you get the chance, let me know if he gives lessons. I think I'ill call the number everdying gave, otherwise I guess have to get lessons from the shops listed by Xero.

QUOTE(Xero @ Mar 30 2006, 04:53 PM)
me? taking lessons? I don't  tongue.gif . My friend also ask me before did i took singing class after he hear me sing. I'm borned with it one  biggrin.gif.But I do practice at home since I was in primary school, so I keep improving, I just practice by listening to the song and try to vibrate or whatever that I find cool or new inside the fella's song. At first you must try to imitate the fella at least and do what he does, then after you are u think u are good enough, then only you can go with your own style and find your own voice. 

But I did feel at one time that I wanna improve my singing even more so thats why i went asking here and there and came up with those places i listed above, but when they tell me the price of their class...I start to move out of the shop or wanna say bye bye to the fella i called edi lol.

And of course, one can dream, a lot of the successful people we know in today's world were dreamers, so dont let anyone who gets in your way stops you from achieving it. If you have the drive, no one can stop you.
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QUOTE(Xero @ Mar 30 2006, 05:31 PM)
One word of advise! Heavy metal is not good to be used to train for singing! lol...because it is actually more to like a common voice that anybody can do so it doesn't really involve much skill in singing. Though I know there are lot of Metal fans here but if you really wanna learn how to sing you gotta learn from either Pop or R&B genre. because these genres use a lot of singing skills. And what I mean by pop is not like Christina Aguilera or Britney spears or Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston type of pop...those are too high standard singing already.

What you can start with is genres like Pop Rock or Pop Punk. these are easier and something that I think you might be able to start with, try to listen to Mark hoppus (bassist of blink 182 just in case u didnt know) sing, and try to sing like him, its quite easy ,then only you move up. Then maybe after that you can go to higher standard one like Backstreet boys, Westlife, James Blunt or those R&B stuff but I dont guarantee everyone who cannot sing before this can go there. Only guys with at least a bit girlish type of voice can. If you're lucky, during the process of learning, you might find that you have that girlish type of voice inside of you that you never knew you had because you never let it go out. I think some people do have this type of voice just that some are afraid of letting out their whole voice or singing skill either because of shyness, low confident or afraid of rejection by people who hear.

But if you dont have the girly type of voice it doesnt mean that you can't sing. You can, but probably in a lower tone. To me actually 'sing' is more based on your breathing techniques and how to control your voice.
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I'm not a heavy metal fan, more of a blues/classic rock fan so I'm more interested in soul/blues style of singing, more than pop/r&b. Anyway great tips, sounds like you're a pretty seasoned singer. thumbup.gif
I find a problem to actually sing the songs out loud. When I do it soft, I find that I can hit the notes right, but when with an instrument, everything just go bad, wrong notes etc... rclxub.gif
Oh well, thanks for the tips. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 30 2006, 07:04 PM

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i understand what you're saying...

but starting with mark hoppus then going to 'higher' standards like backstreet boys, westlife!!!!!???

thats not encouraging at all. tongue.gif

heavy metal not good for training? what about bands like nightwish? haha. i think u meant growling/screaming.
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post Mar 30 2006, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Mar 30 2006, 07:04 PM)
i understand what you're saying...
but starting with mark hoppus then going to 'higher' standards like backstreet boys, westlife!!!!!???
thats not encouraging at all. tongue.gif

heavy metal not good for training? what about bands like nightwish? haha. i think u meant growling/screaming.
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Well no matter how bad their music is, you can't deny that they can harmonize and sing pretty well. smile.gif Hey, Mark Hoppus isn't exactly a singer, but he does his stuff well. smile.gif smile.gif
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Woooo... Nightwish and Within Temptation. notworthy.gif
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post Mar 30 2006, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Mar 30 2006, 07:12 PM)
Well no matter how bad their music is, you can't deny that they can harmonize and sing pretty well. smile.gif  Hey, Mark Hoppus isn't exactly a singer, but he does his stuff well. smile.gif smile.gif
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Woooo... Nightwish and Within Temptation.  notworthy.gif
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Yes, exactly what I'm saying (about mark hoppus). Actually their music isn't bad, it's just that different people different taste. To pop genre lovers, they will say loud music like emo punk or heavy metal are bad music while to heavy metal lovers they might say the other way, so you get what i mean, its just how the world goes, different people different taste, just that. Music doesnt just involve either pop only or heavy metal only if you look at it on the bright side and look at it from the bigger picture.

Sorry guys, I'm not really a fan of heavy metal so I dont know Nightwish, I only know those very popular heavy metal bands like Metallica and etc.. but yea what I meant was like growling and screaming cuz most heavy metal I hear b4 are like that.

Most heavy metal are not good for training to sharpen your 'singing' skills but good to sharpen your instrument skills. I also use some of them to practice for guitar.

The best to start off with is with Pop Rock or Pop Punk (from my point of view) then after long time only you move up to higher standard(if can la). But singing like those Pop Rock and Pop Punk artists also good enough already. They are not the best but they are quite good edi. No need to become damn good like Mariah Carey lol...damn good singing also still the song that matters a lot too. I dont really recommend practising with My Chemical Romance's Gerard Way's singing if Pop-Punk cuz that fella actually can sing quite well also (if minus the screaming lol), so he is a bit high standard like same level as tom delonge type of voice, not mark hoppus.

As for Soul and Blues, I really very seldom listen to that led_zep_freak cuz my fav genre in music is Pop, Pop Rock and Pop Punk. But I do think that I listen to few of them before and I think their singing is actually something similar to Pop and R&B isn't it? Maybe you can recommend me some of the blues/soul songs that you like so that I can check them out and see if its suitable for practising singing or not smile.gif .

I think if you like soul and blues you should go to the Yamaha at 1utama singing class one because I think oldies might relate to some blues and soul (I THINK. correct me if I'm wrong. and its the most cheapest class anyway lol). Well anything also, you can always ask the teacher to teach you what type of songs you would like to learn (since your paying the fella anyway sweat.gif ).

Oh btw, for sure if you sing out loud got problem one. A lot of people are like this also, not just you, sing softly is of course easier, so you should start softly first, then only slowly go loud. But wanna practice loud actually you need a suitable place also, I also dont practice loud at home if my parents are around cuz it attracts people and that ruins your practising privacy lol. I only practice loud if I'm alone at home, or when got friend come, at friend's place or outside.

As for singing with instruments, It just takes time and practice thats all. you just need to hit the right key on the instruments that suits the vocals. You can recognize what key is correct by listening to the song and mark the part where they say this and that...example: "hello hello, I'm here all alone feeling slow" <-- at "hello hello" maybe the artists is playing the C chord on guitar, then he changes to G at "I'm here all alone feeling slow", so all you have to do is actually mark the words and what chord or riff changes because in singing also there is C, G, A, D notes and other notes similar to the ones you play on guitar,piano,keyboard so you just need to match them both. and it takes time and practice thats all. As for drums you just need to listen which beat goes with what they say. Anyone can do it. But if you know how to sing properly, its of course a lot better. Any song also can, if you are damn good you wanna play pop guitar solo or kirk hammet guitar solo while singing also can LOL. it just takes time and practice for this one.

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post Apr 2 2006, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Xero @ Mar 30 2006, 10:33 PM)
As for Soul and Blues, I really very seldom listen to that led_zep_freak cuz my fav genre in music is Pop, Pop Rock and Pop Punk. But I do think that I listen to few of them before and I think their singing is actually something similar to Pop and R&B isn't it? Maybe you can recommend me some of the blues/soul songs that you like so that I can check them out and see if its suitable for practising singing or not  smile.gif .
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For blues you could try BB King (He's the king of the blues after all), Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton or maybe even Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson. smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAT2A-BHCBs...b%20king%20live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hrE9U3LyIk...b%20king%20live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPnXtfSY3LQ...h=texas%20flood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSpbuFSr2o&search=srv

For soul perhaps Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles? Or even the teen Joss Stone & Alicia Keys? tongue.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zus0m6VIXY...ch=joss%20stone

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post Apr 4 2006, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Apr 2 2006, 12:00 PM)
For blues you could try BB King (He's the king of the blues after all), Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton or maybe even Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson. smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAT2A-BHCBs...b%20king%20live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hrE9U3LyIk...b%20king%20live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPnXtfSY3LQ...h=texas%20flood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSpbuFSr2o&search=srv

For soul perhaps Stevie Wonder or Ray Charles? Or even the teen Joss Stone & Alicia Keys? tongue.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zus0m6VIXY...ch=joss%20stone
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lol I already watch some of the videos. I think should be no problem. Pop is totally require more singing skills than soul/blues. I hear the soul/blues people sing its as if they are talking and singing. something like that. If you learn Pop vocals definitely can sing soul/blues. Just that you need to adjust to the soul/blues tune after u know how to sing pop already.

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so ledzep, u called my friend yet to ask?
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post Apr 4 2006, 11:36 AM

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Nope, not yet... pretty busy for the past few days, will call her later this week. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Apr 6 2006, 02:31 AM

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who is that? Everdying knows somebody from the guitar shop that teaches vocals class?
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post Apr 6 2006, 02:58 PM

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well, sort of guitar shop.
teaches freelance at mahagony as well as some other school and also at home.
dunno how many students tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2006, 03:12 PM

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how much does it cost
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no idea.
ask ledzep when he finally decides to call tongue.gif
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post Apr 6 2006, 04:04 PM

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Haha sorrylar, busy with rehearsals and exams hah, hard to make arrangements now. Will call one day, don't worry heh. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Xero @ Mar 30 2006, 02:16 AM)
guys I'm a singer, There's nothing wrong to have the desire to learn how to sing properly actually. Learning is good. To me actually if u wanna sing damn nice, vocal lessons wont really make u like after taking lessons u can sing like backstreet boys, westlife, jay chou, busted, Tom delonge (vocalist of blink 182), jesse mccartney or james blunt, if u want these type of singing u will need to be borned with it. So just to let u know that going to a vocal class doesnt mean that after u get out guarantee you will be able to sing damn nice, but most likely your singing will improve. Probably will end up able to sing like Mark Hoppus. His voice is like the common singing voice. He can sing but in low tone. Most of the time I find that guys that has a bit of a girlish voice can sing. example of artists with girlish voices are i think i already listed some of them above, but most obvious is Tom delonge and jesse mccartney. So if you have what they call in Choir, a 'Tenor's' voice, then more higher chance that you will be able to be a lot better in singing after taking lessons. They will teach you breathing control and stuff there.

Here's a list of where you can take vocal lessons. I only know these places that are the most cheap (lol). Vocal classes are expensive man.

at Ikano Power Centre - Euphony Musical Centre (RM180 like that per month)

at Yamaha at 1 Utama - (RM100-120 like that if i remember correctly, more focus on oldies)

got another place in Taman Tun called Learn-to-sing..that one is like RM200-300 per month LOL!. (I called them)

Sorry guys but I never ask how long per class for the payment listed above.

A musician that can sing while playing his instruments either for lead or backup singing is a bonus and I think is more respected than someone who can just play the instrument because almost anybody can pick up a guitar and learn how to play it man, but can you pick up a guitar, play and sing along with it? not that hard if you already know the technique. So lets learn-to-sing! lol  rclxms.gif
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agreed ... actually you don't really have to learn singing. Just simply ask from friends.

When you go for class, you only learn what is right but never learn what is wrong.

You can actually gain your singing skill by experience like what i does.

2 years ago i sing like sh*t.

Today, i can sing one night in beijing (original key) in front of audiences without any mistake.

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True.
I took singing lessons when I was like, 9.
Now I just do cookie monster vocals over metal songs. Problem solved. tongue.gif
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something i dont understand ... and maybe it's because i'm not in any band...

why so many vocalist like metal songs???

just a question...
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On singing home course, please have a look at Jaime Vanderra's Raise Your Voice ( http://www.thevoiceconnection.com ). Ive bought both Jaime's Raise Your Voice & Ultimate Breathing. I recommend highly to any budding singers (any music genre).
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I found Jaime vendera raise your voice book at amazon for $30 us... apparently its very good based on the reviews.. can order at mph nad borders 2.... any 1 heard of it?

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